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So Manafort used to be a practicing attorney with a law degree from Georgetown (Original Post) FM123 Jul 2018 OP
He practiced but never got good at it. marble falls Jul 2018 #1
I think he should be held to a higher standard of knowledge if he is an attorney. alwaysinasnit Jul 2018 #2
No attorney knows all the laws. former9thward Jul 2018 #3
While Certainly True. . . ProfessorGAC Jul 2018 #4
Manafort is not charged with that. former9thward Jul 2018 #6
Fair Enough ProfessorGAC Jul 2018 #7
Many, many lawyers get charged with crimes. former9thward Aug 2018 #9
Ok. Blue_true Aug 2018 #16
Any attorney knows it's against the law to hide millions of dollars in offshore accounts pnwmom Jul 2018 #8
Yes but your assumptions have a prosecutor bias. former9thward Aug 2018 #10
Which of my assumptions? All I said was that an attorney would know you can't pnwmom Aug 2018 #11
You are assuming Manafort hid accounts offshore illegally. former9thward Aug 2018 #12
The OP assumed. I was just responding to your reaction to the OP. And you indicated pnwmom Aug 2018 #13
Have you ever read the lines just before your signature on your tax returns? Blue_true Aug 2018 #17
True, that is the same with ANY profession. Blue_true Aug 2018 #14
I would hope so... former9thward Aug 2018 #15
If I blow someone up who was helping me because I didn't educate Blue_true Aug 2018 #18
Not sure what a civil issue would have to do with a criminal trial. former9thward Aug 2018 #19
My point is that if a person had criminal stuff done on behalf of himself. Blue_true Aug 2018 #20
K&R UTUSN Jul 2018 #5
He is rather stupid for someone who went to a top tier law school. Glimmer of Hope Aug 2018 #21

former9thward

(32,373 posts)
3. No attorney knows all the laws.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 07:10 PM
Jul 2018

There are tens of thousands of them. And most laws have dozens and sometimes hundreds of sub-sections. That is why any good attorney specializes in one or maybe two areas of the law. Attorneys normally rely on other attorneys for advice with their own affairs. Whether Manafort did I don't know.

ProfessorGAC

(66,065 posts)
4. While Certainly True. . .
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 07:18 PM
Jul 2018

. . .isn't it fair to say that if a GOOD lawyer was going to get involved in something like these meetings with the Russians, they might investigate whether that was legal or not?

former9thward

(32,373 posts)
6. Manafort is not charged with that.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 10:27 PM
Jul 2018

The Russian investigation has nothing to do with these charges. That is why Mueller dumped the case onto another prosecutor.

ProfessorGAC

(66,065 posts)
7. Fair Enough
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:01 PM
Jul 2018

My fault!
But he obviously knew, in this case, he was "working" the system
He either should have checked, or he knew it was illegal

former9thward

(32,373 posts)
9. Many, many lawyers get charged with crimes.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 08:33 AM
Aug 2018

They think they are clever enough to game the system. Sometimes they can -- maybe most of the time.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. Ok.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 07:13 PM
Aug 2018

So if your financial advise people told you that they were opening up offshore accounts to funnel your earnings into, wouldn't you ask them more questions and maybe do some research on your own? You may not, but I certainly would.

pnwmom

(109,056 posts)
8. Any attorney knows it's against the law to hide millions of dollars in offshore accounts
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:02 PM
Jul 2018

and fail to pay taxes on them.

Any attorney knows that when you sign a tax return you're signing it under oath.

former9thward

(32,373 posts)
10. Yes but your assumptions have a prosecutor bias.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 08:35 AM
Aug 2018

I don't assume what the prosecutor says is true because I have long experience knowing it sometimes is not.

pnwmom

(109,056 posts)
11. Which of my assumptions? All I said was that an attorney would know you can't
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 01:29 PM
Aug 2018

hide money in offshore accounts and not pay taxes on them.

former9thward

(32,373 posts)
12. You are assuming Manafort hid accounts offshore illegally.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 06:33 PM
Aug 2018

And you are assuming he did not pay required taxes. And you are assuming his signature on a tax return (prepared by others) implied knowledge of everything in (or not in) the return.

pnwmom

(109,056 posts)
13. The OP assumed. I was just responding to your reaction to the OP. And you indicated
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 06:48 PM
Aug 2018

that you didn't expect an attorney would know those things, and I disagree.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. Have you ever read the lines just before your signature on your tax returns?
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 07:20 PM
Aug 2018

Your signature says agreement with the contents of the return. Oh, you didn't know that someone handling your money didn't pay $15 million in taxes before you signed. Oh boy, looks like big trouble for YOU!!!!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. True, that is the same with ANY profession.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 07:09 PM
Aug 2018

But a good professional know to check that what he or she is doing isn't dangerous or illegal.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. If I blow someone up who was helping me because I didn't educate
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 07:22 PM
Aug 2018

myself on mixing chemicals that I had never dealt with, I am liable, simple as that.

former9thward

(32,373 posts)
19. Not sure what a civil issue would have to do with a criminal trial.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 10:26 PM
Aug 2018

So I don't think the analogy works...

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. My point is that if a person had criminal stuff done on behalf of himself.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 10:39 PM
Aug 2018

Even if he claims ignorance after benefitting from the largess and signing off on fraudulent tax documents, if I were on a jury, I would view that person as in on the crime and he or she would have to convince me they were not. At some point coincidences become overwhelming.

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