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FM123

(10,053 posts)
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:31 PM Aug 2018

"Something Big is Happening in the Background"

According to Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo....

(Snips)
It’s easy to see President Trump’s tweet today, which says Jeff Sessions should fire Bob Mueller, as yet more of the cacophony of mania and aggression that spews forth from his Twitter account daily like water flowing over a waterfall. But I fear that may not be the case. President Trump has criticized Jeff Sessions many times. His anger at him is notorious. But I don’t think he has ever so clearly in public told Sessions to fire Mueller or given him such a specific “cause” for doing so. I do not think this is an accident or a random escalation.

Regardless, it’s definitely something. Something new. Some dramatically escalating threat. How can we know this? We can’t know it as a matter of fact. But all the history of this case suggests this kind of direct cause and effect.

I think we should be prepared for the President to fire Jeff Sessions and Rod Rosenstein in order to claw his way toward either finding someone who will fire Mueller or simply doing the job himself – something I suspect, constitutionally, he can do.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/something-big-is-happening-in-the-background

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"Something Big is Happening in the Background" (Original Post) FM123 Aug 2018 OP
How many sealed indictments are there? greymattermom Aug 2018 #1
His WH lawyers have walked back the tweet saying it was merely his opinion, not an order wishstar Aug 2018 #2
Spooky. byronius Aug 2018 #3
That's so funny Dan Aug 2018 #5
Ah, but if we're busy killing each other -- the Russians would insist they were 'helping'. byronius Aug 2018 #7
sorry, the target would be the Russians paratroopers... Dan Aug 2018 #9
Only to actual Americans, was my point. Trumpanzees would welcome them. byronius Aug 2018 #12
Sources please..... Thunderbeast Aug 2018 #15
It was a Daily Kos article a week and a half back. Sorry, no time to search. byronius Aug 2018 #18
It fits perfectly with the WaPo report on the number that want to suspend the 2020 election -- 56%. byronius Aug 2018 #19
Straight up obstruction - period. onecaliberal Aug 2018 #4
The cable news pundits are saying "Obstruction in open sight". BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #14
No question. There is no other way to spin it. Shocked staffers are not panicked. onecaliberal Aug 2018 #16
Never seen someone act so guilty duforsure Aug 2018 #6
I heard that Trump gets news about Mueller's findings about a week before the public eleny Aug 2018 #8
Mueller's last indictment stated there are American co-conspirators wishstar Aug 2018 #10
Hey, I'm making salsa today - Bring the chips! eleny Aug 2018 #11
Or to get hapless Sessions to act without specific direction from the president ffr Aug 2018 #13
Congress impeaching Rosenstein WAS the plan. But since that won't happen...Plan B. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #17

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
2. His WH lawyers have walked back the tweet saying it was merely his opinion, not an order
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:54 PM
Aug 2018

according to commentators on MSNBC. WH lawyer McGahn refused to carry out Trump's order a year ago to fire Sessions. The WH lawyers know that would clearly be obstruction of justice.

byronius

(7,389 posts)
3. Spooky.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:58 PM
Aug 2018

But really, firing Mueller means less than it did even a few weeks ago. The Machine is real and large and moving forward, and all the kabuki histrionics and threats mean nothing to it.

However, 'burn it all down' is still possible down the road, I suppose. Firing Mueller and stopping the investigation altogether will mean that we live in a pure Gangsterocracy, in which there are no rules or laws, much less rule of law. And a strongman politics takeover of the US means the end of the US, period -- full Walking Dead city-state stuff, soldier against soldier, citizen against citizen. We'll be invadable by anyone at that point, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Russian paratroopers just like in Red Dawn.

I suspect the 'burn it all down' crew is way, wayyyy overestimating their chances of survival. They're Dreamers, not Doers. Starry-eyed Pathetics who will insist they're winning all the way to their inevitable dirt nap.

Either way, there's no reality in which MAGA rules the nation with an iron hand while the whimpy liberals surrender their supplies and women to the Victorious Incels. Chaos would rule, and those guns will matter until the ammo runs out or the guns get coopted by the most dangerous weapon -- the human brain, which these FUCKING IDIOTS also dream they have but do not.

A dark part of me wants to settle this out once and for all. The better part of me is holding out that the US is resilient enough to survive the Russian Nazi sneak attack.

Sigh.

Dan

(3,537 posts)
5. That's so funny
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:25 PM
Aug 2018

"..surprised to see Russian paratroopers just like in Red Dawn.", America is not Russia - there are ways too many Americans with guns and that apple core streak of violence ingrained. Giving Americans free targets to shoot at - would probably make Russia long for their past Afghanistan war.

byronius

(7,389 posts)
7. Ah, but if we're busy killing each other -- the Russians would insist they were 'helping'.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:29 PM
Aug 2018

I doubt it as well, just idle speculation. Nonetheless, it's clear that most Republicans support a monarchy now. 55% want the midterms suspended, and 40% are okay with Russian interference.

If the Russians were landing, they'd be there to help out their Komrades the GOP, and likely welcomed at that point -- because just like now, electorally or militarily, they're doomed without outside help.

Thunderbeast

(3,400 posts)
15. Sources please.....
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 06:13 PM
Aug 2018

What study shows 55% of Republicans want to cancel the mid-terms. That's a big number!

byronius

(7,389 posts)
18. It was a Daily Kos article a week and a half back. Sorry, no time to search.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 07:25 PM
Aug 2018

But that's what it said. 55%. Suspend or cancel the midterm elections altogether.

I did read in the comments that the GOP is shrinking drastically, so the support numbers for Trump and the 40% 'Let Russia Rule Us' are indicative of a distilled core.

Yeah, it shocked me too. However, such things are historically common -- once a Bad Actor gains power, people gravitate towards the power center. Until -- Collapse. Devastation. Chaos. Humans are animals, and these subroutines have been repeating since we were lizards.

byronius

(7,389 posts)
19. It fits perfectly with the WaPo report on the number that want to suspend the 2020 election -- 56%.
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 03:51 AM
Aug 2018
Washington Post

"Moreover, 52 percent said that they would support postponing the 2020 election, and 56 percent said they would do so if both Trump and Republicans in Congress proposed this."

The numbers I saw in the Kos post about the midterms reflected this sentiment in very similar numbers.

They don't like this pesky democracy thing. They never have.

They want an American familial monarchy.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
6. Never seen someone act so guilty
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:26 PM
Aug 2018

That's innocent. No criminal wants a prosecutor coming after them from a career of criminal activities. Abuse of power and obstruction will be easy as long as he keeps tweeting and talking.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
8. I heard that Trump gets news about Mueller's findings about a week before the public
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:30 PM
Aug 2018

So something must be up that's serious as hell.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
10. Mueller's last indictment stated there are American co-conspirators
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:34 PM
Aug 2018

and stated some American co-conspirators are known to Grand Jury so no question some more indictments coming up soon.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
13. Or to get hapless Sessions to act without specific direction from the president
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 06:08 PM
Aug 2018

The key is dRump's "should" wording.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. Congress impeaching Rosenstein WAS the plan. But since that won't happen...Plan B.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 06:26 PM
Aug 2018

Trump's thinking: If I want something done, I gotta do it myself. Because everything I do is great. I get things done! I'll direct Sessions to do it. If he doesn't, I start taking control of this out of control Witch Hunt, and END IT HERE AND NOW!!! My supporters will thank me! It's for the country!

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