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POV On Omarosa: She Is Not Trumps Mini-Me. More Likely, She Hated His Guts Since Day 1
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Saturday August 18, 2018 · 8:41 PM EDT
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The fact that shes African American leads some to claim shes a stereotypical Black bitch but, in my opinion, that simply reveals more about them, not her.
No Trump didnt create her and shes no Trump mini-me. Omarosa has consistently used her skills, knowledge and talents in the same way to advance her career since she entered the public eye. One may dislike or reject the public persona she created and the path she chose to achieve her goals. But she is, across the board, her own woman.
Why I Think Omarosa Likely Hated Trump Since Day 1.
All of the above plus this: she has seen him behind the scenes and knows exactly what hes capable of which, after the pussy-grabbing tape, is clearly far worse than the horrors he reveals in public and shes fully aware of his power to dispose of her or destroy her at will. There is no way she ever truly respected such a man as a mentor. Its far more likely she hated him, as I hated the boss I described above yet continued to work for him.
I have no doubt Trump used the N-word behind the scenes on The Apprentice, along with other vicious invective and sundry pussy-grabbing in word and/or deed. I have no doubt Omarosa was shocked and disgusted by him yet made a calculated decision to stay in his orbit for yes career opportunities.
Personally, I dont consider her choice to do so different than many of the famous women who came forward in the #MeToo discussion and admitted they remained silent because their abusers had the power to advance (or destroy) their careers. I dont recall any of those women being criticized as opportunists.
When Omarosa made the bow down to Trump remark on TV after he won the GOP nomination, my spidey-sense kicked in. It was over the top even for the renowned Reality TV Villain. My gut told me she knew her remark would win favor with Trump. She was right. Soon after, Omarosa was asked to join the Trump election campaign and had to sign an NDA.
When he won the presidency and created a top-paying position for Omarosa, she did two things I find significant:
She entered the West Wing with her iPhone app on record.
Its worth repeating: she entered the West Wing with her iPhone app on record.
Think about it why would she make these recordings? Simply and solely to exploit an opportunity? I dont think so. Opportunity was the cherry on top of a cake that Omarosas been baking a long time.
I think she made those recordings because Omarosa hates Trumps guts, has always hated his guts, and she intended to come for him.
The fact that Trump didnt see her coming is a testament to his misogynist, racist, rich white boy, ignorant blind spot. A blind spot I have no doubt Omarosa sized up the moment she met him.
Next time you see her interviewed on TV, pay attention to her eyes. They reveal it all.
I do not judge her. In fact, I applaud her. You go girl.
Kath2
(3,147 posts)...if this black woman plays a part in bringing him down.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of the movie. 1950s movie style where evil must be shown to reap its inevitable punishment.
She's a beautiful and extremely talented woman. I've wondered if she might also be a clinical sociopath, or with strong traits of. Supposedly they're at least 1 in 30 of us, and that camp seems to draw them like flies to rotten meat.
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Isn't that a bit strong? What makes you think that?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and struggle for position among those sort of people. Her talents alone could have taken her anywhere, but she's made herself very unwelcome most places, lasting longest iwithout being fired n Trump's orbit.
As for speculating with that word, sociopathy is so common that we've all known or run across sociopaths, or just people with strong traits, through our lives. We're so used to, for instance, some charismatic person turning his or her group maliciously on some hapless victim, or someone else deviously setting out to get a coworker fired, that we see it as normal, and actually it is, but psychologists have a somewhat deeper understanding of what may be going on when troubles arise wherever a person goes.
And, of course, there are various other personality disorders that might be more accurate. That something is wrong that keeps her from thriving in place is obvious, though.
It's worth knowing something about (there are long rows of books on this) since they can cause a great deal of harm to people who don't see it coming and don't understand what's happening when it does. They like to manipulate others and the smarter, more talented ones tend to end up in fields that allow plenty of opportunity for that, including religion, counseling, politics, etc.
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)I have been trying to decide if I should read the memoir, and it is hard to see for myself whether the book is worthy of a read, given the range of opinions on Omarosa's motivations and personality. From what I can glean so far, she seems similar to others who seek status and wealth by any means necessary, no worse no better. But there are so few black voices in these circles that I think every chance at insight should be explored.
Thanks for responding.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)critically examining minds, ones who don't go in just assuming she's a sociopath or our new BFF because she's making Trump unhappy.
malaise
(280,046 posts)I have been wondering if she hasn't been even more than that. M
Perseus
(4,341 posts)It may be a good reading of this person, I will keep my eyes wide open and keep your post in mind, it is definitely a very interesting take on her.
Thank you
trueblue2007
(18,379 posts)TheBlackAdder
(29,159 posts)marble falls
(62,785 posts)political crap swirling around cheetolini. I think she'd very much like to not be in the limelite and far, far away from the Donald.
mucifer
(24,974 posts)Basement Beat
(659 posts)But of course its all about "me me me" and screw the rest of the country.
hexola
(4,835 posts)By "NDA" - do you mean "Non-Disclosure" or "Non-Disparagement"?
hexola
(4,835 posts)Is there a single piece of verifiable output/product from her "job" at the white house?
OxQQme
(2,550 posts)5:30am PDT
No way for me to share or link.
I agree......you go girl!
Warren_Pointe
(335 posts)self-centered, hateful and treacherous.
HipChick
(25,514 posts)BannonsLiver
(18,474 posts)To believe otherwise is to reveal yourself as someone who is hopelessly gullible. Im stunned by some of the OTT responses here regarding this slime.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I don't get the desire to raise up awful people like Omarosa just because she now dislikes Trump.
shanny
(6,709 posts)PaulX2
(2,032 posts)I never said she liked him.
robbob
(3,656 posts)in Goldmember, I do believe...
OxQQme
(2,550 posts)PatSeg
(49,788 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 19, 2018, 10:03 AM - Edit history (1)
I was extremely skeptical when Omarosa came out with her book, but during the many interviews, she was surprisingly calm and confident, less theatrical and conniving than I was anticipating. I actually found her believable, which I was not expecting. Then I did a flashback of all the times I'd seen her with Trump and I saw a different woman, a different story. She didn't get cast from the Trump world and then seek revenge by writing a book. She was planning this for a long time and she was very good at it too.
It feels a lot like a climatic moment in a novel, where the long suffering but calculating protagonist finally reveals who she is and what she knows. Though she still is a bit too Machiavellian for my taste, I have to say I find myself applauding her. This is a plot twist I did not see coming and neither did Trump.
Edit for grammar mistake.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I agree. I think Omarosa was playing the long game. And she seems to be winning it.
PatSeg
(49,788 posts)she is really good at it. Meanwhile, she is stepping on a lot of toes. I hope she has really good security, as I am now becoming concerned for her safety.
True Blue American
(18,318 posts)She took it. No matter what was think of her,it is clear she is highly intelligent. I find it hard to believe she liked or trusted Trump.
At the beginning it was just a way of getting into Show business Some where along the way it became much bigger. I bet she has recordings going all the way back.
Born in Youngstown,Ohio. Father murdered, she went to Central State.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omarosa_Manigault_Newman
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,916 posts)... from a few interviews, I get the impression she hates everyone's guts.
If she helps to bring down Trump, I'll join your applause. But I think she's just happy to sell books, and our applause is just noise.
Crowman2009
(2,924 posts)I ain't paying for that!
Grins
(7,990 posts)Its clever.
cpamomfromtexas
(1,374 posts)Her recordings.
robbob
(3,656 posts)...does she suggest anything even remotely like the author describes in her book?
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)not saying she isn't reporting what she saw and heard, but she waited until the book deal and the book came out to do it. Me-first and screw america is still her story
Crowman2009
(2,924 posts)...train was going off the cliff.
demmiblue
(37,943 posts)dalton99a
(85,564 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(122,320 posts)I always thought her "bow down to Trump" comment was so over the top that it couldn't have been sincere. I wouldn't be surprised if she meant it as bait, because there's nothing Trump loves more than over the top adulation.
Omarosa is not a lovable person, but she's smart and cunning - much more so than Trump. Whether she intended from the beginning to take him down remains to be seen, but at some point she concluded that working for him would provide good book material - and it did.
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DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I don't support or defend her. But I love what shes doing to the corrupt menace in the White House.
Welcome to DU, starlingmahika! Your name sounds familiar. Where is it from?
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B2G
(9,766 posts)A liar either way. Can't stand her.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)to something that hit me the other day. Is Omarosa gunning for a Reality TV show much like Oprah? Think about it for a minute. Fashions,Makeup,Hair Styles,posing,use of Language,not afraid to control the Interviews.
Interesting to say the least.
HipChick
(25,514 posts)quite a few beauty pageants...so this area is not exactly new for her...she was already very experienced...
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)The associated personality traits and uses is uncanny to say the least. Only watched maybe ten minutes of a Apprentice Program,and that was one with Omarosa. My spouse spotted the similarity within the first minute or so.
Having a family member who did some script writing and being associated with a member of the production staff ,there will be more interesting stories to come. Noticed the one Production Guy was all Coked Up doing a interview last week.
Self promotion has served Omarosa pretty well so far. And most of the public does not see her real goal.
HipChick
(25,514 posts)Just following the storyline "how to succeed when everything is against you"...
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)all we needed to know what the story was and would be. Just NBC promoting Trump in order to sell Crap. The Script writer filled us in on day one. BTW,Trumps Production Company screwed him out of some of his pay for work preformed.
HipChick
(25,514 posts)She was outraged that I did not know who she was...(I knew who she was, but pretended not too, and ignored her) She looked me up and down, as if I was something that just crawled out of the lagoon.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)the Writer.
kcr
(15,522 posts)I think she's savvy and I suspect she's the type of person who relates to other people and sees relationships in a transactional way. What can this person do for me? She knew Trump could be a means to power for her, especially when he entered the White House, but that it was a dangerous prospect, so she started recording to protect herself. She didn't sign the NDA because she's smart.
BannonsLiver
(18,474 posts)Just bananas all the way around. Omorosa is, has been and will always be a slime. The heroine narrative is silly and child like. Hard to believe anyone here would take it seriously.
uponit7771
(92,206 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,501 posts)Jesus fucking Christ. No.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,501 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)hate him from Day 1.
My take is that she doesn't have a moral compass and neither does he. That's what she admired about him. Machiavellian. They both want fame, money and power.
She saw him, decided she was the same way. She has a hard time explaining why she was like that before she was fired. Uses kind of tortured logic to explain. But, think she has to come up with some excuse why she blindly followed him for so long. Other than I am pissed because he fired me
John Fante
(3,479 posts)That's it. Omarosa is trash, and the only reason she isn't shilling for Trump right now is because she was fired. If she has the good to wreck his presidency, great. Show the reciepts, sell your books, and fuck off. She's getting no praise from me though. Its been a rough 19 months, but not that rough.
Kali
(55,989 posts)not sure I buy it 100% but interesting. thanks for posting.
KWR65
(1,098 posts)Anyone associated with Trump is corrupt as he is. Because Truth isn't Truth...
fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)So of all the people in the world.
She choose -HIM- to achieve her goals? What? Was Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby busy?
If that's true. She's just like him. She's like a Sith, hating his master until he has a chance to take the master out and become the master.
There are plenty of honest successful people in this world to receiving mentoring by. Why would she choose the worlds worst person?
And what kind of mentoring would she get from him? Mentors make in their own image.
Raine
(30,672 posts)I'm not forgetting that. Omarosa does anything and everything for Omarosa, not for anyone else.