What exactly is trump accusing Hillary of? All I hear is "Hillary's emails" OK ..what about them???

[wroberts189]

I guess I must have missed something.

I have not heard or read of a crime. What on earth is he talking about? Hilary's emails?? What about them???

Endlessly over and over and over and over... state the crime Comrade trump... can you please ????

Is it a crime to send email??? Is it a crime to have an email?

Is there something in them??? Some major cover up??

Yea I know she had a basement server and some security protocols were broken.

But just saying "Hillary's emails" over and over thousands of times ??? So what about them??

I can play that game "trump's emails"!


"Cohens's emails!!"

"Jarred's emails!!!"

Lock them up!!!


Please for the sake of my sanity tell us ... Is it the one where it says you colluded with hostile power and enemy to win the election? ... Oh oh... I wrote that one.

[Sedona]

1. I had some trumpy in-laws as house guests last weekend

and they claimed that Hillary's crimes were way worse than Trump's crimes (whataboutism). When I asked "how so?" none could come up with anything and one even started crying because she couldn't. Her comment later was that "we have a great team but a lousy coach"

The "how so?" question completely undid my mothers argument about Hillary & the Democrats' so called crimes too.

I find it a wonderful way to debunk this argument without being hostile.

( still on speaking terms with all my trumpy relatives)

[Cha]

7. The Fraud is projecting himself onto

Hillary.. but that probably wouldn't go over too well.

I'm grateful I have no trumphans in my family or friends.

[PatSeg]

21. That is usually the best way to handle

Trump supporters. Rather than argue with them, ask them questions. They are generally looking just to argue. "How so?" is a perfect reply. Obviously, they don't know, they are just repeating tired media taglines. Making them think, instead of just recite might actually help deprogram them some day.

[RobinA]

25. I Hit On This

way back during Bush. Instead of arguing, ask for clarification in a relaxed "Just askin' 'cause I want to understand" tone. It brings the conversation to a halt 99% of the time. The 1% is people who spend a lot of time on the Internet and are fluent in anti-anybody-who-is-left-of-the-right-wing-deep-end arguments. I am not fluent enough to argue with that nuttery.

[PatSeg]

35. Because I am inherently prone

to very passionate arguing, I learned at a young age to use more questions than declarative sentences. Not only did it open up some conversations and shut down others, I often learned things myself. Meanwhile, there is always a chance you could make a very real connection with another person.

[emulatorloo]

55. It was a good way to shut down "obama is destroying our country" wackos too.

“Which policy is destroying our country?” Stopped them dead in their tracks.

[ariadne0614]

29. Socrates was on to something.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

[PatSeg]

37. Oh absolutely

And when it comes to debate, the goal should be about more than winning. If done well, it can be an enlightening experience for all those involved.

[maxrandb]

58. More like Pavlov

"emails" is simply the new "ringing bell".

All wingnuts have to do is say; "emails" and the hayseeds from Dubmfuckistan, 'Murika start howling.

[samnsara]

34. my trumper sis wouldnt come into my house til i had the tv screen on my fridge...

...covered up. Shes sure ppl are watching. I asked her if she could get me info on that cuz I would love to apply for a job doing that. How fun..sitting at a monitor watching ppl cook do dishes and stare into the fridge. She STFU. She didnt come over..in fact we arent even speaking. I just figured shes too toxic to add any value to my life as a sister.

[PatSeg]

42. Oh good lord

I hadn't heard that one!

There is some kind of mass insanity going on these days and I've watched people I've known most, if not all of my life go nuts. Between Fox News and the Internet, their brains have been altered in ways that make them barely recognizable. It is rather horrifying that a person's mind could be changed so much and so easily by an unscrupulous media.

I'd say more, but a light bulb over my shoulder just flickered and the camera inside is reading everything I type.

[Rorey]

48. You amuse me.

I'd like to say more too, but, you know.....*watchers*.

[PatSeg]

53. And they hate when we laugh at them!

[LittleGirl]

44. smart tv's is what she means

that they can hear your conversation because they have voice activated software running. You have to shut them down.
just go to settings and check the voice activation settings (if you have them) and show them to her.

[leftynyc]

23. I've asked a few

what's stopping Sessions from investigating Hillary. If the AG thought she did something illegal, it's his job to investigate. Why isn't he? Silence.

[Wounded Bear]

2. Trump is accusing Hillary of being Hillary...

in the RW echo chamber, that is enough.

[Cha]

8. Yeah, thanks to decades of hate propaganda

all they have to do is say "Hillary" and

She still Won.

And, trump is projecting himself onto Hillary.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. 11 high tRump staffers (Pence, Bannon, etc.) USED PRIVATE EMAIL SERVERS after election & inaug

[trueblue2007]

67. LOCK THEM ALL UP.

#LockThemAllUp

[Botany]

4. 2 things

1) “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." J Goebbels

2) Trump keeps going after HRC because he knows he lost to her and if it wasn't for his work with
the Russians he wouldn't be in the White House and that is eating him up inside 24/7 because he knows
he will be found out.

[Scarsdale]

6. Hillary and Bill ran

the successful Clinton Foundation. It has been audited and found to be doing just what it claims, helping people worldwide. The tRump family has started a couple of charities, and found to be siphoning off the money for - WOW - the tRump family! Who would have thought that, apart from most of us? The children's Cancer charity was used as a front for the tRumps. Eerie Eric charged the foundation for the use of one of the tRump golf courses. He made more than he brought in for the charity. tRump's name associated with anything means grifting is in progress, bigly.

[pazzyanne]

10. Sadly this POS is using that priciple to bring down Robert Mueller,

and it seems to be working on some levels. Sheep, I tell you, sheep!

[2naSalit]

18. I think what is getting him

is that he knows that we know what happened and that we are getting close to taking legal action to deal with it. He's guilty, we know it, we can prove it, we aren't his parents who will pat him on the head while he smirks and plots another crime. We HAVE to deal with this now, it's already real f'ing late.

[PatSeg]

22. And even worse

he lost to a smart woman. He can't stand that.

[SammyWinstonJack]

26. There's never any substance to ANYTHING he says, though. It's just ALL so vague and non thinking,

willfully ignorant Deplorables just swoon at the sight and sound of him, believing every lie. "PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT.

[RobinA]

28. In My Field,

mental health, we try to help people realize that a feeling is not a fact. Trump has raised feelings as facts to a whole new level.

[FakeNoose]

36. +1 That's a good tactic

Thanks, I'll remember that!

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. He has done exactly that. Thoughts in his head become reality. It's amazing.

[Rorey]

50. #3

3) "If you use an ominous tone when you speak, even innocuous statements can seem very bad." Rorey

(FoxNews does this all the time, and their brainless watchers are left clutching their pearls over nothing.)

[wishstar]

5. Continuous false narrative suggesting her email server endangered national security

Despite the findings of the FBI and the release of thousands of her emails which revealed no national security breaches had occurred and her server was never successfully attacked. The nit-pickers have made a big deal about a handful of emails retroactively labeled classified or having a tiny "c" but ironically these emails have been publicly disclosed so obviously they had no true national security importance.

The anti-Hillary gang harped on idea that merely by having the private server, national security was at risk even though all evidence to date shows that she did not use that email system for classified information and it was so secure that hackers were never able to breach her private server. The hacked stolen emails were from DNC and John Podesta, none came from her private server.

[pazzyanne]

12. And with this guy, you don't need no server!

He just invites the Russians into the oval office to give them national secrets, or meets with Putin in closed door sessions or nightly phone calls. But I guess that is different.

[FailureToCommunicate]

20. Thank you.

[NewJeffCT]

33. and, while he's still harping on her emails

Trump and others in the White House are still using unsecured personal phones.. and Omarosa seems to have been able to record everybody and everything in the White House over 200 times.

[wroberts189]

68. thx... at least I know what he is grasping at ..bet no maga does. n/t

[democratisphere]

9. drumpf is running out of time and material; the old scripts

are no longer believable and have gone stale.

[safeinOhio]

11. Try this trump and supporters...

Offer up your 40 years of tax forms to the public and then ask her to offer up her emails.

Russia, if your listening, please find Donald's 40 years of tax returns.

[The Wizard]

13. It's an applause line

that gets the cult juiced up, nothing more or less, kind of like Joseph McCarthy saying communist.

[narnian60]

19. Yes.

[no_hypocrisy]

14. My take. These "missing e-mails" have been manifested by Putin and Russia,

showing collusion, not with Trump, but with Hillary Clinton. Trump would intend to use this false evidence to have a showcase criminal trial against Hillary, resulting in humiliation and imprisonment.

[GoCubsGo]

24. I don't believe there even are any "missing e-mails."

Even if Hillary did delete e-mails, those sending or receiving those e-mails would have copies of them. They wouldn't be that difficult to hide. That imbecile has no idea how e-mails work, and apparently, neither do his flying monkey cult followers. Needless to say, there's a whole lot of lying and conflating going on with this subject. Trump claimed "missing e-mails" as a shiny object to dangle in front of the cult to rile them up. He kept increasing them numbers of them, too. It's all bullshit.

[RobinA]

31. The Conflating

is a major issue here. Hilary, server, e-mail, missing e-mail, hacking, DNC, Russia...all one story in many people's minds. An interesting experiment would be to interview a random selection of people and ask them to explain their understanding of these issues. I bet the results would be mindboogling.

[ToxMarz]

40. The missing/deleted emails are their proof of the crimes

Just as you believe there are no missing emails, they believe there are (and these are people who's lives revolve around belief/faith/Faux News). Pick any crime and Hillary is guilty of it. All the proof is in her Emails. That's why she deleted the. If anyone can just find them then everyone else will see. Nuf said in their world.

[jmowreader]

65. The "missing e-mails" are all personal stuff

It was Hillary's server. She was receiving all her traffic through it. It was designed so the official e-mails were automatically transmitted to the State Department's official system. The traffic about Chelsea's wedding, John Podesta's risotto recipes and other non-official mails were not.

And just so we remember, Hillary Clinton's server was the only State Department-related server that had NOT been hacked.

[GoCubsGo]

66. Yes, I know. But, they weren't "missing."

Which is how we know they were all personal stuff. The Asshole keeps asking "Where are they?" He's insinuating there are a bunch of others (the number kept growing) that contain some sort of scandalous information. and that she is hiding something. I'm calling bullshit on that.

[Ilsa]

15. He's had QAnon's posts read to him and he's gone over the edge.

Those believers think John Brennan converted to Islam when he was a station chief in the middle east. They think Hillary and John McCain are wearing ankle bracelets, courtesy of law enforcement. They are caught up in pedophilia and sex trafficking claims that are beyond absurd.

[GoCubsGo]

16. She was allegedly "careless" in sending classified emails.

I guess she should have blabbed the information directly to Putin and his toadies like Trump did?

[Recursion]

30. Receiving, not sending

There were apparently some references to the existence of a drone program in Pakistan (a fact which is at least theoretically classified) as well as her daily schedule (which is classified until after the day).

Note that the fact that it's a private email server is completely a red herring: it's just as much a violation for classified information to be on a government-run server.

[Eyeball_Kid]

46. Drone attacks in Pakistan were public

information, reported by conventional news outlets. That the information was classified sounds bizarre.

[Recursion]

49. And yet

That's the USG for you. They only declassified the crossbow in the 1970s.

[hughee99]

59. According to the July Comey statement...

It looks like it may be sent or received

“From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.”

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

[Recursion]

60. Right, the point being the "private server" doesn't matter there

Those 110 emails would equally be violations if the server were a government server.

[hughee99]

62. In the case of classified information, no. It doesn't matter whether it was public, private or even

a government system, it's the security on the server that matters.

[struggle4progress]

17. "I hate competent women! Don't you? Lock her up!"

[Sancho]

27. It's a fictional story...

Hillary's government emails were largely captured when copies were sent to the .gov account. She had independent attorneys (with top secret clearance) sort through all emails and providing a copy of all "business-related" ones to the government. She actually had several backups of the server at different times, so nothing of consequence was "lost". Chances are that the backups still exist, but are not provided because her attorneys consider them privileged or not subject to FOIA. Regardless, some of the old servers were supposedly wiped or destroyed, while at least one was stored at a contractor's business.

Nothing is "missing", except some old personal emails (cake recipes, yoga schedules, etc.), that were examined at least once or twice by various lawyers. How far will this go in the future? Will all audio, video, email, texts, and records of politicians be public records? Who knows?

--------------------------------------

Think about it...could you produce emails from home 5 or 6 or 7 years ago? Here are some links I collected back when the topic was hot:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clintons-email-server-traced-to-home-based-service-ap/

In November 2012, without explanation, Clinton's private email account was reconfigured to use Google's servers as a backup in case her own personal email server failed, according to Internet records. That is significant because Clinton publicly supported Google's accusations in June 2011 that China's government had tried to break into the Google mail accounts of senior U.S. government officials. It was one of the first instances of a major American corporation openly accusing a foreign government of hacking.
Then, in July 2013, five months after she resigned as secretary of state, Clinton's private email server was reconfigured again to use a Denver-based commercial email provider, MX Logic, which is now owned by McAfee Inc., a top Internet security company.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/08/14/ap-exclusive-top-secret-clinton-emails-include-drone-talk

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/14/state-dept-shuts-down-foxs-anonymous-speculatio/204941

State Dept. Shuts Down Fox's Anonymous Speculation Of Clinton Aides Stripping Email Classification Markings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/19/clinton-lawyer-no-undisclosed-e-mails-left-on-server-turned-over-to-fbi/

http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/the-emails-that-dick-cheney-deleted/

The White House possesses no archived e-mail messages for many of its component offices, including the Executive Office of the President and the Office of the Vice President, for hundreds of days between 2003 and 2005, according to the summary of an internal White House study that was disclosed yesterday by a congressional Democrat.
The 2005 study — whose credibility the White House attacked this week — identified 473 separate days in which no electronic messages were stored for one or more White House offices, said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.).

https://www.facebook.com/TheBriefing2016/videos/vb.415405165314505/452560401598981/?type=2&theater

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/state-department-confirms-hillary-clinton-email-violated-no-laws-or-policies/21851/

State Department confirms Hillary Clinton email violated no laws or policies

https://www.facebook.com/TheBriefing2016/videos/vb.415405165314505/452560401598981/?type=2&theater

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/state-department-confirms-hillary-clinton-email-violated-no-laws-or-policies/21851/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-pn-jeb-bush-emails-and-ebook-20150210-story.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clintons-email-server-traced-to-home-based-service-ap/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/08/14/ap-exclusive-top-secret-clinton-emails-include-drone-talk

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/14/state-dept-shuts-down-foxs-anonymous-speculatio/204941

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/19/clinton-lawyer-no-undisclosed-e-mails-left-on-server-turned-over-to-fbi/

http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/the-emails-that-dick-cheney-deleted/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-e-mail-scandal-that-isnt/2015/08/27/b1cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/30/clinton-controversy-no-comparison-petraeus-column/71421242/

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/hillary-clinton-emails-state-department--2

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/042f508d2f5a4c9e806b9900e0fc7c77/so-far-legal-experts-see-no-criminal-trouble-clinton#



http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/11/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-crumbles-justice-department-laws-broken.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/10/justice-department-rules-hillary-clinton-followed-/

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/11/3700451/demystifying-classified-material/

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/usa-today-admits-hillary-clinton-email-scandal-is-a-sham/22371/

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/09/24/politico-acknowledges-doj-confirmation-that-cli/205777

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/01/10/state-department-disproves-hugh-hewitts-claim-t/207884

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/#1d1a738d552d

http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-not-scandal-464414

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clintons-emails-are-a-threat-to-life-as-we-know-it/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/07/hillary_s_email_scandal_was_overhyped.html

[smirkymonkey]

41. +1000

Marking this for future holiday dinners w/ republican relatives.

[JHan]

45. Good stuff. Also..

When the scandal was hot I visited the GAO site to look at IT audits re violations, it was eye-opening.

The larger story here is how incompetent and insecure data communications are across Government departments resulting in officials using private emails and generally skirting department guidelines.

[Sancho]

56. I agree...the government did a terrible job of email security for the most part.

And there were all kinds of vendors providing service, employees using private accounts, etc., etc. It was easy to make rules, but almost no one had the knowledge, money, or desire to follow the regulations.

Even today, nothing is really safe from hacking except closed systems and some serious encryption.

[leanforward]

54. There is someone within the CABAL that know(s) about the above list.

dRumpf's speech about russia finding emails was a signal to start other nefarious activity.

[Mc Mike]

32. There's no there, there.

Like all the 'scandals' the repugs get so 'outraged' about.

[LuckyCharms]

38. If it wasn't about her emails, then they would use something else.

The right wingers would start spewing some other bullshit.

SHOES! HILLARY'S SHOES!

They wouldn't have any idea what they are talking about, but they would still run around saying SHOES! SHOES!

[Recursion]

51. That was my complaint to Taibbi when he got her speech transcripts

He was like, "These are so innocuous -- why didn't she just release them?"

And I wanted to scream "because you know damn well you would have picked some other equally bullshit criticism and run with that instead!"

[Johnny2X2X]

39. Missing emails

Trump and the other nutters claim she destroyed 30,000 emails while SoS. It's a total joke, an IT consultant that worked for the State Department destroyed a hard drive several months after the fact, no one knows what was on it, but Hillary had zero to do with it.

And think about the tens of thousands of emails they went through. They found nothing other than 2 emails improperly marked as classified because they didn't have the proper markings in their title and erroneously had a (c) marking way down in the body.

Her private server was probably a poor decision, but it was not illegal. It's a whole lot of nothing.

[smirkymonkey]

43. She's a powerful female Democrat of a certain age.

Who beat Trump in the popular vote. He can't stand it.

[The Genealogist]

52. It is just claptrap

It is all Trump has. He and his deplorables hate Sec. Clintion. Trump failed to win the popular vote, and hates her because of this. The deplorables hate her because reasons, not the least of which is that they think people with vaginas are for sandwich and baby making, not governing. He can hate on her and keep his trashy base ginned up, and a the same time deflect from his own massive crimes.

[lunamagica]

57. A girl beat him...he can't get over that

[Scurrilous]

61. Hillary did ALL the emails!!1!

[Initech]

63. What is Trump accusing Hillary of? Being a Democrat.

That's about it.

[MichMan]

64. I think it started with a FOIA request

….by Judicial Watch that the State Dept couldn't fulfil.