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Manafort jury to deliberate until 6:15 ET, then break for the day (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Aug 2018 OP
Thanks, Center - Shimon Prokupecz confirms: Leghorn21 Aug 2018 #1
What's with all the conferences?? triron Aug 2018 #5
Nobody knowwwwwwws, t!! There's much speculation every time the jury sends a note or Leghorn21 Aug 2018 #14
Starting to sound like 1 or possibly 2 jurors are holdouts to a unanimous verdict - n/t lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #2
How can you say that? We have no idea. they have 18 counts to work through. triron Aug 2018 #4
we don't know... but the longer they deliberate, the worse it is for the prosecution lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #7
It is? Renew Deal Aug 2018 #10
My sister is a litigator leftynyc Aug 2018 #24
No such indication. Have you ever served on a jury that had beachbum bob Aug 2018 #12
yes, well not 18 specifically, but quite a number (12?) lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #16
I served on a 10 count trial, we met for 4 days of deliberations, beachbum bob Aug 2018 #29
Don't be silly, lapfrog, elleng Aug 2018 #15
Nah Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #17
It hasn't even been three days fallout87 Aug 2018 #22
Talking about obvious Trumpers Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #25
I am not feeling that... demsocialist Aug 2018 #20
Iam not to sure, There first note to judge was about "Reasonable Doubt" Old Vet Aug 2018 #37
That's an oddly specific time, isn't it? nt blaze Aug 2018 #3
It probably has to be Renew Deal Aug 2018 #9
Thanks n/t malaise Aug 2018 #6
Could have to do with personal schedules Renew Deal Aug 2018 #8
My prediction is Thursday BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #11
Mine is tomorrow grantcart Aug 2018 #31
I would say they... Mike Nelson Aug 2018 #13
It's more complicated than that Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #19
The jury left early yesterday and made up for that by DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #32
This is a high-profile trial. Polly Hennessey Aug 2018 #18
It's 6:15 EST fallout87 Aug 2018 #21
Per Shimon: Leghorn21 Aug 2018 #23
This sounds like they are nearing the end. honest.abe Aug 2018 #26
Can anyone tell me what happens if TubbersUK Aug 2018 #27
Im no expert but I would think if he is found guilty on enough charges to put him away for life.. honest.abe Aug 2018 #28
Thanks n/t TubbersUK Aug 2018 #30
My quess is manafort will be pardoned............. Old Vet Aug 2018 #38
"Would all 18 charges be subject to a retrial "....No. AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #33
Thanks n/t TubbersUK Aug 2018 #34
any unanimous verdict (either direction) would be over in the direction it was dsc Aug 2018 #35
Thanks n/t TubbersUK Aug 2018 #36

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
1. Thanks, Center - Shimon Prokupecz confirms:
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 04:59 PM
Aug 2018
The Manafort jury will deliberate until 615pm. Lawyers are
currently in a bench conference with the judge.




Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
14. Nobody knowwwwwwws, t!! There's much speculation every time the jury sends a note or
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 05:19 PM
Aug 2018

there’s another holdup, but me, I don’t know what to do except wait IMPATIENTLY while I try to remember that Manafort has another trial coming up soon relating to his MONEY LAUNDERING charges!!?

Plus, Cohen getting charged soon?...



Hang tough, triron!!

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
10. It is?
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 05:14 PM
Aug 2018

To me it sounds better for the prosecution. It means they are working through the issues. They could have been done on Friday if they wanted to get out of there.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. My sister is a litigator
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:06 PM
Aug 2018

and says just the opposite. That a quick verdict is what the defense wants. The more they look at the evidence, especially whe there is so much, the worse for the defendant. She's more concerned about a mistrial and she says it's really too soon for that.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
16. yes, well not 18 specifically, but quite a number (12?)
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 05:32 PM
Aug 2018

Most were interrelated (guilty of #2 means guilty on #3 and #4, for example).

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
29. I served on a 10 count trial, we met for 4 days of deliberations,
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:47 PM
Aug 2018

4 charges we voted guilty on first day. 2nd day we had 1 not guilty, 3rd day 4 guilty, last day not guilty. Charges weren't financial based crimes. Takes time to review evidence and take votes, discuss, take more votes.

elleng

(130,913 posts)
15. Don't be silly, lapfrog,
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 05:30 PM
Aug 2018

there are 17/18 counts, LOTS of paper; the jury is diligently doing it's difficult job.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
25. Talking about obvious Trumpers
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:30 PM
Aug 2018

Jury would not be asking to extend their working day if someone had declared they would not convict at all. They’d know by now if they had one of those.

demsocialist

(202 posts)
20. I am not feeling that...
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 06:12 PM
Aug 2018

there are 18 charges and 10,000 documents for them to sift through. They are doing the good job juries are supposed to do. He will be found guilty on at least half of the charges. That is my buck fifty.

eta
Cohen will be charged by Friday.

Mike Nelson

(9,956 posts)
13. I would say they...
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 05:15 PM
Aug 2018

… are close to an end (could be good or bad, including hung jury), and the 6:15 was given when lawyers asked for an estimated time end. If I were the judge, I would not have asked the jury for a time, and told the lawyers to let them go on deliberating as long as they need.. but this Judge sounds unqualified to be a Judge.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
19. It's more complicated than that
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 06:04 PM
Aug 2018

Keeping a jury late means keeping court staff late, security late, making sure they are fed, etc.

It’s a big deal, especially in a federal facility where you have union contracts about who can work what hours before lots of stuff kicks in. It means keeping staffing at security checkpoints at the entrances and a lot more far later.

I will wager there is a 7:00 hard time for everyone to be out of the building so the security at the entrances can go home and the 6:15 time is to ensure everyone is out by 7:00.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
32. The jury left early yesterday and made up for that by
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:52 PM
Aug 2018

staying late today. I doubt it's any more complicated than that.

Polly Hennessey

(6,797 posts)
18. This is a high-profile trial.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 05:54 PM
Aug 2018

If I were a juror, I would want to make sure I left no room for second guessing. Remember, they know all of this is within the Trump-universe. Trump might start tweeting about the jurors if Manafort is found guilty on all or any of the counts.

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
27. Can anyone tell me what happens if
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:40 PM
Aug 2018

the jury is unanimous on some charges but split on others.

Would all 18 charges be subject to a retrial or just the ones where no unanimous verdict was reached?

Hope the question makes sense.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
28. Im no expert but I would think if he is found guilty on enough charges to put him away for life..
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:42 PM
Aug 2018

then the prosecution wouldnt bother retrying the others.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
33. "Would all 18 charges be subject to a retrial "....No.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:12 PM
Aug 2018

The guilty would stick...the "hung" could be retried...but there's still a D.C. case due in Sept that makes this seem small...

dsc

(52,162 posts)
35. any unanimous verdict (either direction) would be over in the direction it was
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 09:22 PM
Aug 2018

the rest could be retried if the prosecutor wished to. In Senator Edwards trial he was acquitted on one count, rest were hung. Prosecutor decided against retrying. He got his Congressional seat out of it so he was happy.

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