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Just look at the two losers who write this waste of good toilet paper.
Right-wingers are in a tizzy over excerpts from a new book by two of the GOPs leading voter-fraud hucksters alleging that Minnesotas Democratic Senator Al Franken would not have won a statewide recount in 2009 were it not for ex-felons voting illegally.
They are jumping to the false conclusion that illegal felon voting in November 2008 not only tipped a recount in which Franken won by 312 votesout of 2.4 million cast between the two menbut that tougher state voter ID laws would have changed the result. Both claims are wrong.
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The problem with this assertionfrom a newbook by The Wall Street Journals John Fund and George W. Bush Justice Department attorney Hans von Spakovskyis that it is not just factually wrong, according to Minnesota Supreme Court records, the Minnesota prosecutor who investigated most of the cases, and some of the countrys top election scholars, but it is intended to rile a segment of the Right that thinks it is patriotic to demonize voting by non-whites and disrupt voting for everyone else.
http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fraud-hucksters-latest-lie-felons-made-franken-us-senator?paging=off
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And who the heck is Hans von Spankovsky?
Sigh. Haven't we had enough of this kind of politics? This reminds me of wolves chasing their prey. Circling and slashing and wearing away, taking the hunted down.
stevedeshazer
(21,653 posts)The 27 year old woman he sat on and choked.
http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-05-14/news/john-fund-hope-of-freedom/
Confusious
(8,317 posts)A guy who is really, really pissed about his name.
There was probably no end to the teasing in high school.
Instead of learning from it, he became a dick himself.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)unblock
(52,387 posts)governments ought not have the power to pick and choose voters.
it's a recipe for corruption, as we've already seen with disparate sentences and enforcement for crack vs. cocaine, the black population in the states that are big on felon disenfranchisement, etc.
it's just plain bad government, and it's exactly the sort of thing our founders would have been dead-set against. arguably, they thought the ninth amendment would have prevented such laws.
some day they're going to just arrest any minority driving a car, then charge them with some b.s. law and impound the car for a year until trial while dangling some ridiculous sentence over their heads, but offer a "deal" where all you have to do is agree to give up your voting rights for life and they'll drop all the other charges.
too unsubtle to ever really happen, you say? you forget what they've actually done already.
if franken won with the votes of a few ex-felons, well, nothing illegitimate about that.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)Not many people mention this but I never understood how it's legal and/or constitutional for states to disenfranchise felons and/or make it practically impossible for people coming out of prison to "restore" their voting privileges. IMHO as soon as somebody is released from prison, they should simply be able to go back to voting again if they want.
unblock
(52,387 posts)again, i don't think any legitimate government should have the power to pick and choose voters.
ultimately, they could go so far as to lock undesirable voters up on election day and release them the next day.
no way. jails and prisons should be required to provide means for prisoners to vote.
it's NOT a matter of what the prisoners deserve, it's a matter of powers NO government should have.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)It's amazing that our country- considered the leader of the free world- is so "un-free" in so (too) many ways!
lpbk2713
(42,769 posts)They should be ashamed. Get over it, you lost.
[big] "WAAAH!! No fair!!" [/big]
dflprincess
(28,086 posts)yet the rightwing nuts in Minnesota continue to cite the "fraud" in that race as the reason we need voter ID passed here.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)Al Franken won the seat fair and square- and endured months of recounts so that all parties could ensure a legitimate outcome. Your guy lost! Deal with it!
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Gothmog
(145,666 posts)These claims are not true http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fraud-hucksters-latest-lie-felons-made-franken-us-senator?akid=9186.102169.TnMJb9&rd=1&t=1
The problem with this assertionfrom a new book by The Wall Street Journals John Fund and George W. Bush Justice Department attorney Hans von Spakovskyis that it is not just factually wrong, according to Minnesota Supreme Court records, the Minnesota prosecutor who investigated most of the cases, and some of the countrys top election scholars, but it is intended to rile a segment of the Right that thinks it is patriotic to demonize voting by non-whites and disrupt voting for everyone else.
They are talking in code to their base, said Rutgers Universitys Lori Minnite, co-author of Keeping Down The Black Vote: Race and the Demobilization of American Voters . My guess is that von Spakovsky and Fund know exactly what they are doing.
There is no basis in fact, whatsoever, in these inaccuracies propagated by the Minnesota Majority here, none, Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Wednesday. After the most closely scrutinized election in Minnesota history in 2008, there were zero cases of fraud. Even the Republicans lawyers acknowledged that there was no systematic effort to defraud the election, none.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)over Al Franken's election to the Senate.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Bush, twice, and how did Lindsey Graham get to run against that unknown, unemployed, Democrat again???