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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Democratic party has found the sweet spot in the impeachment debate.
The Democratic party has found the sweet spot in the impeachment debate. The Republican position on impeachment will come back to bite them in the a@@ as the mid terms near.
The Democrats are saying they are awaiting Mueller's report before determining if Dirty Don committed impeachable offenses and Mueller has a lot of credibility coming off his wins. The Republicans are essentially arguing they will exonerate Dirty Don regardless of the evidence.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What's great is that over the past two weeks, it seems the GOP is mentioning impeachment so much more than the Democrats.
Granted, they use the word in vocal opposition to any actual proceedings, but they are putting the word out there into the national discussion so much better than any ad campaign ever could.
In regards to impeachment-as-the-focus, all the Democrats need do is sit back and allow the GOP to keep defending against an argument no one else is making. Bless their little hearts.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)It allows Democrats to say they will abide by the rule of law, wait for the Mueller report, and adjudicate Trump's fitness for office fairly.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Chakaconcarne
(2,463 posts)Maybe they want the idiot out of there just as bad... but are afraid to own up to it.
Give it legs and see what happens...
Wishful thinking probably.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)2naSalit
(86,812 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,469 posts)something huge is going to break and blow up the midterms without Mueller's report even being completed.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Emoluments, federal records law violations, violating court orders, etc.
And Obama would have been impeached by now for any 1 of those things.
But the Democratic leadership is going to do what's most politically expedient.
pnwmom
(108,997 posts)For one thing, we don't hold a majority in the House, so we can't hold impeachment hearings.
But even if we did, we wouldn't get half the GOP Senators to vote to convict. When Clinton was impeached but not convicted, it just made his popularity soar.
We need to wait till Mueller presents whatever facts he has, and hopefully we will have a House majority then who can hold hearings till the public finally understand how wide and deep DT's corruption goes, and the public puts pressure on the Senate. We're nowhere close to that now.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Clinton's rating soared because of how unpopular his opponents had become (partly due to the attempt at impeachment, I'm sure) and how strong the economy was.
A failed attempt at impeachment did seem to backfire. I don't think we would fail so long as we have a majority. But I can't imagine getting enough votes in the Senate to remove him from office.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Hopefully we win back the House, Mueller delivers a devastating report, and the people demand Trump is removed from office.
pnwmom
(108,997 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)When the impeachment managers brought the Clinton impeachment to the Senate, Majority Leader Trent Lott said why did you bring me this "piece of s--t", because he knew it was a political loser.
Hekate
(90,837 posts)...party (the GOP) demanding the Dems do their dirty work for them? Hmmm?
AZ8theist
(5,506 posts)I would rather like to see us take back the house, and have every fucking committee investigating Dotards corruption.
Tie this admin in knots until 2020 when we kick him out the door.
The Repukes in the Senate have no spines, they will not join us in his removal. Better the time spent embarrassing him daily.
BamaRefugee
(3,487 posts)...at ruining the elections, and no one is standing guard.
I'm not sure about any blue waves yet, but hypervigilant for a wave of chaos and maybe martial law after the elections get screwed up beyond our imaginings.
Putin doesn't have to make the Republicans win, he just has to blow up enough elections for tRump to suspend everything, and keep ALL REPUBLICANS IN PLACE, "until we can figure things out".
mountain grammy
(26,656 posts)and it doesn't hurt to remind everyone what they said during the Clinton impeachment debacle..
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Will this issue get addressed after the midterms, or will we then say that it's too close to 2020 to address?
No strategy is without risk. At some point, the impeachment question morphs into a re-election question. Is it really better to rely solely on Mueller to build the case for the president's removal from office? Even in the Democratic caucus there are different opinions.
The idea of impeachment being "off the table" until further notice is risk-averse, somewhat passive, and allows the harm to US public institutions to go on unabated. After the midterms, a new strategy is needed IMO, hopefully with the midterm results bringing more political balance into DC. Otherwise, the possibility of a 2-term Trump presidency becomes more likely. That's the reality.
All I can say is that we better bring our best thinking to this issue. The stakes couldn't be higher.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)I think the Republican tactic will work very well with their people, who believe themselves to be victimized, marginalized and forgotten. Not that any of that is true, mind you, but all you need to do is buttress these paranoiac core beliefs, make them think that Democrats want to take something away from them just because they're happy to have it, and this will induce them to vote to offset the fundamental unfairness of it all. They certainly know their people.
Because they created them.