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uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 07:55 AM Aug 2018

A baby Red Don KIDNAPPED WITH HER PARENT has DIED !!!

Report: Toddler died after contracting infection at ICE family detention facility

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/texas/report-toddler-died-after-contracting-infection-at-ice-family-detention-facility/273-588566167

"A mother lost her little girl because ICE and those running the Dilley immigration prison failed them inexcusably," said R. Stanton Jones, a partner with Arnold & Porter, a Washington, D.C. law firm representing the family pro bono. “Instead of offering safe harbor from the life-threatening violence they were fleeing, ICE detained Yazmin and her baby Mariee in a place with unsafe conditions, neglectful medical care, and inadequate supervision. ... The medical care Mariee received in ICE detention was woefully inadequate, neglectful, and substandard."



I ... KNEW ... one of the reasons why these fuckin bastards weren't connecting some of the parents with their children was some of the children were sick, sexually abused or DEAD !!!

FUCK THIS EVIL BUNCH OF BASTARDS IN THE WHITE HOUSE !!!

This is the some historical level evil shit, think about how many times in history there was a policy to hurt the children of people seeking help... fact or fiction?!

This isn't an accident that happened during an attempt to do something good.

Benedict Donald and the Kremlin KKKlan >>> ENACTED A POLICY TO HURT CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS !! <<< period end of story

Some bastards

EDIT: Looks like the baby was with her mother and got sick at one of the facilities used to keep children that were kidnapped from their parents.

I'm using kidnapped because "illegally detained" is still pussy footing around the issue of the inhumane shit Red Don and the Kremlin KKKlan racist ass's are doing at the border.

From the mothers lawyer

“Instead of offering safe harbor from the life-threatening violence they were fleeing, ICE detained Yazmin and her baby in a place with unsafe conditions, neglectful medical care, and inadequate supervision,” said R. Stanton Jones, a partner at Washington, D.C.-based Arnold & Porter law firm. “While there, Mariee contracted a respiratory infection that went woefully undertreated for nearly a month. After it became clear that Mariee was gravely ill, ICE simply discharged mother and daughter. Yazmin immediately sought medical care for her baby, but it was too late.”


https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/paw9ky/toddler-died-after-getting-sick-in-ice-custody
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A baby Red Don KIDNAPPED WITH HER PARENT has DIED !!! (Original Post) uponit7771 Aug 2018 OP
K&R lunasun Aug 2018 #1
The Republican Party chose the path to gangsterism under Nixon and perfected it. olegramps Aug 2018 #11
The republican destruction of these families will live in infamy Achilleaze Aug 2018 #2
+1, some historical shit ... I'll never let them live this down. I lived in Germany for years ... uponit7771 Aug 2018 #3
The term you're looking for is felony murder gratuitous Aug 2018 #4
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #5
THEY WILL TRY TO HANG IT ON THE LVN, Ilsa Aug 2018 #6
What is happening on our southern border makes me so mad! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #7
Yes, it is. world wide wally Aug 2018 #8
I would prefeer to use the term 'depraved indifference' Scalded Nun Aug 2018 #15
+1 2naSalit Aug 2018 #18
True or false one fact is begging to be addressed. gordianot Aug 2018 #9
21st century Gestapo...those who work there should study their history... Moostache Aug 2018 #12
Evil fucks malaise Aug 2018 #10
The head of that center should be charged with murder! George II Aug 2018 #13
I totally agree. They should not be able to hire the worst possible employees... JCanete Aug 2018 #28
The baby died 6.5 weeks after being given back sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #14
Yes it is, she wasn't well when she was released from kidnapping and went to several hospitals ... uponit7771 Aug 2018 #16
She was not kidnapped - at least not in the sense of child separation kidnapping. Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #27
Then in this case they were both kidnapped at the same time. uponit7771 Aug 2018 #29
I wouldn't quarrel with that title Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #35
Even so, the policy was designed - DESIGNED - to be hurtful. calimary Aug 2018 #17
Yeah, all of the right wing Russian propaganda sites are using that talking point too Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #22
Whoa, you serious about the TP on this ? thx in advance uponit7771 Aug 2018 #25
Yeah it's all over Fox noise Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #30
Yep, if its on FAUX News I have no doubt its a Russian talking point uponit7771 Aug 2018 #33
The baby was not "given back," because she was never taken. Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #26
Big lawsuits & huge penalties are coming FakeNoose Aug 2018 #19
The report of this death............ MyOwnPeace Aug 2018 #20
Outrage at the death is justified, BUT this child wat not stolen from her mother. Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #21
Detaining asylum-seekers is part of the zero tolerance John Fante Aug 2018 #34
The headline was that kidnapping the child from its parents was responsible for the death. Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #36
Period, end of story... you nailed it. arthritisR_US Aug 2018 #23
K&R. This is a tragedy that keeps getting bigger and bigger. Poor baby lunamagica Aug 2018 #24
Don The Con has blood on his hands!!! Initech Aug 2018 #31
I wish I believed in hell-because that is where that murderous orange thug and all who niyad Aug 2018 #32

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
3. +1, some historical shit ... I'll never let them live this down. I lived in Germany for years ...
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 08:12 AM
Aug 2018

... during my fathers term of station there and wondered how such good people could allow such horrible things going on around them.

I'm seeing it right in front of my face to this day; propaganda is a bitch and Nazis hid all they could.

Such evil shit

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. The term you're looking for is felony murder
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 08:48 AM
Aug 2018

When a kidnapper's hostage dies, even if it isn't directly due to the kidnapper's actions, the kidnapper is liable to a murder charge.

Who's going to be charged, Mr. Sessions? What is the Department of Justice doing to investigate this murder, identify the perpetrators, and charge them? Where is the governor of Texas? Doesn't Texas usually take a pretty hard line against murderers?

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
6. THEY WILL TRY TO HANG IT ON THE LVN,
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 09:13 AM
Aug 2018

a licensed vocational nurse who may not have the authority to make certain decisions, such as whether the child no longer needed medical attention. If she (he) went outside their scope of practice, they will be the scapegoat.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
7. What is happening on our southern border makes me so mad!
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 09:14 AM
Aug 2018

I cannot believe that this administration is getting away with murder, and there is no way to prosecute or remove them from office, and the republicans in congress are just a guilty with their complicity. Guilt by association with this horrible policies. They must be SO proud.

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
9. True or false one fact is begging to be addressed.
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 09:21 AM
Aug 2018

If you worked for ICE in the Trump era you should prepare to be investigated.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
12. 21st century Gestapo...those who work there should study their history...
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 09:30 AM
Aug 2018

The administration will cut and run and leave them hung out to dry in a millisecond ... I have no sympathy for those who eventaully get sold down the river...its utterly predictable.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
28. I totally agree. They should not be able to hire the worst possible employees...
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 01:34 PM
Aug 2018

which is all they could get for such a sick and twisted occupation...for way undervalued pay, and be able to slip away scott free from any criminal liability, let alone civil liability. It seems like this should be a provable case of criminal negligence.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
14. The baby died 6.5 weeks after being given back
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 09:43 AM
Aug 2018

The mother and baby were living with relatives in New Jersey. Not quite what people are thinking.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
16. Yes it is, she wasn't well when she was released from kidnapping and went to several hospitals ...
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 10:17 AM
Aug 2018

... for treatment.

The fact that she was in that state is the fault of ICE in the first place which places the onus on them

From the article

According to the VICE story, which cites a review of the toddler’s medical records as well as interviews with her mother, Mariee developed a cough, congestion and fever in the facility. After being released from Dilley, Mariee went to three hospitals in the Northeast and died after being unhooked from a respirator at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
27. She was not kidnapped - at least not in the sense of child separation kidnapping.
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 01:23 PM
Aug 2018

She and her mother were detained together in a family detention center, according to every report I can find.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
29. Then in this case they were both kidnapped at the same time.
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 01:43 PM
Aug 2018

They were seeking asylum, Red Don's edict was they were going to be no exceptions which is internationally illegal.

http://theconversation.com/us-zero-tolerance-immigration-policy-still-violating-fundamental-human-rights-laws-98615


The United States agreed to the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees when it joined 145 other nations in ratifying the Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees in 1968.


I could say illegally detained but I'm tired of the pussy footing around this issue.

I'm thinking for the OP titled "A Baby Red Don Kidnapped along with her mother died"

Put in the OP it was kidnapping cause the shit they're doing is illegal relative to our current treaties

thx in advance for any input

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
35. I wouldn't quarrel with that title
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 03:04 PM
Aug 2018

(or prisoners of war, or interned)

My only concern is tying the death to the separation policy when it doesn't appear to be - and having the Republicans be able to deflect criticism of the vile conditions in the detention center by pointing to the fact that the separation policy didn't cause it.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
17. Even so, the policy was designed - DESIGNED - to be hurtful.
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 10:18 AM
Aug 2018

They wanted it to be a deterrent to other would-be immigrants and asylum seekers, to discourage them from wanting to come here. They deliberately did these horrible and inhuman things as an incentive NOT to try to come up here. They were quite open about it.

Pretty heartless any way you look at it. Sure smacks the philosophy behind that plaque on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some news item about some red state yahoo getting arrested on Liberty Island with a hammer and chisel, for trying either to deface or break off that plaque.

You know, the Emma Lazarus poem that includes “give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...”

http://www.libertystatepark.com/emma.htm

Farmer-Rick

(10,183 posts)
22. Yeah, all of the right wing Russian propaganda sites are using that talking point too
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:05 AM
Aug 2018

It's not clear but it looks like the majority of that babies 6.5 weeks outside of the ICE detention facility was spent unresponsive and possibly in a coma. I guess we can call that living.

Farmer-Rick

(10,183 posts)
30. Yeah it's all over Fox noise
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 01:47 PM
Aug 2018

Just goggle it. I'm on my cheapo tablet and can't cut and paste very easily.

One ass hat said he was going to get him a child and abuse it then blame it on ICE. Do these imbeciles even know what they are saying?

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
26. The baby was not "given back," because she was never taken.
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 01:21 PM
Aug 2018

Mother and baby were living together in the Dilley family detention center. 6.5 weeks after their joint release she died.

After Juárez and her daughter were discharged from the detention center, they flew to New Jersey, going from hospital to hospital before finally ending up at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, where Mariee ultimately died of viral pneumonitis.


https://theslot.jezebel.com/mother-of-young-toddler-who-died-after-release-from-ice-1828681449

Yazmin Juarez, 20, and her 19-month-old daughter, Mariee, were detained at a facility in Dilley, Texas, "with unsafe conditions, neglectful medical care, and inadequate supervision," according to her law firm in a statement.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/us/texas-ice-child-death/index.html

None of the articles I've been able to find suggest Mariee was separated from her mother.

So, while this is a horrendous death that likely resulted from our immigration policies - generally - it appears to have nothing to do with the family separation policy.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
19. Big lawsuits & huge penalties are coming
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 10:25 AM
Aug 2018

It's too late for thoughts and prayers, it's time for action. All appeals for decency and fairness have fallen on deaf ears, now it's time to make these fuckers pay.

Somebody like Michael Avenatti would be perfect to handle this - maybe even a class action lawsuit to help these poor people who lost their children because of ICE and DoJ's neglect.

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
20. The report of this death............
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 10:39 AM
Aug 2018

and the circumstances regarding what led up to it needs to be the headline on every newspaper (those that are left) AND the lead story on all of the REAL national news networks. We know where we won't see it...............

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
21. Outrage at the death is justified, BUT this child wat not stolen from her mother.
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 11:04 AM
Aug 2018

You might want to adjust your headline and OP.

The center was a family detention center where the child and her mother were held

From your excerpt:


“Instead of offering safe harbor from the life-threatening violence they were fleeing, ICE detained Yazmin and her baby Mariee in a place with unsafe conditions, neglectful medical care, and inadequate supervision
.

While the death likely is the result of our atrocious immigration policies of detaining all immigrants in woefully inadequate facilities, this particular death is not the result of the family separation policies (nor does it support the contention that reunification wasn't happening to cover up deaths resulting from it).

(Note - I did not research this case beyond reading the OP and the linked article. - if there is information to support your contention this child was stolen from her mother, I will gladly withdraw this concern )

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
34. Detaining asylum-seekers is part of the zero tolerance
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 02:43 PM
Aug 2018

policy, yes? Then this administration is liable for the child's death. I can't even imagine the flimsy care she was given while she was critically ill. Poor baby 😔.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
36. The headline was that kidnapping the child from its parents was responsible for the death.
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 03:17 PM
Aug 2018

This child was not kidnapped from its mother, so the headline is not correct (nor is the assertion that babies are not being returned to their parents because they are dead - at least in connection with this story.

This child was never taken from her mother (based on anything I can find).

That doesn't mean the Trump administration is not responsible - but it is not accurate to say that the Trump administration's child kidnap policy is responsible.

Facts matter.

niyad

(113,332 posts)
32. I wish I believed in hell-because that is where that murderous orange thug and all who
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 01:51 PM
Aug 2018

support that heinour "family separation" policy belong.

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