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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA State of Emergency has been declared for South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia
as soon to be Hurricane Florence churns in the Atlantic. it is forecast to reach the US East Coast
Meanwhile there are three Tropical Storms in the Atlantic. Helene's looks like a fish storm and Isaac will come through the Caribbean. Florence and Isaac could influence one another. Next week will be a mess for many of us islanders
and 'coasties'.
Trim those trees, stock up and batten down folks.
Let's hear your must have hurricane prep kits.
Remember you can keep eggs in salt for weeks.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)They kept eggs fresh for months in salt
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Buy rock salt.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Why bother with perishable food requiring cooking in the first place.
If you have an electric range, and the power is out, its not as if you are going to be cooking eggs anyway.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)It's basically like camping out when we lose our power, except the bathroom is nicer.
Squinch
(50,992 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)Lizards hate the sight of eggshells..
I sure hate and detest Lizards, especially if they manage to get in the house...
but if eggshells keep them out of the house...
malaise
(269,157 posts)She would leave a bottle with sugar water in every room and they always drowned.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Better them than those huge flying palmetto bugs.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)kept the mosquitos away.
Farmer-Rick
(10,202 posts)They are much less destructive than mice and they don't get very big. They eat all sorts of bugs and even small mice and then disappear in winter. They leave my corn and seeds alone and don't chew threw bags and boxes. Perfect pest control without dangerous chemical residue.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)unrefrigerated raw eggs were generally considered safe unless it was cracked in any way. Remember Rocky drinking the raw egg in the movie?
Since the egg is infected before it is laid by the hen, I'm not sure about salt protecting an infected egg in any way. Be sure to cook them, including the yolk, completely to assure safety.
DFW
(54,436 posts)I think the got their first one in the mid 1960s.
We take a lot of things for granted.
DFW
(54,436 posts)So many of us are helpless if one or more of those devices that we think are automatically provided by Mother Nature's high tech cousin suddenly cease to function.
teenagebambam
(1,592 posts)if you get them from a local farm or if you keep chickens yourself. You only have to refrigerate them after you rinse them off.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)It's been a while since I've eaten any, and maybe never again..
malaise
(269,157 posts)I bet this summer was different.
sl8
(13,860 posts)September 11, 2014 12:31 PM ET
RAE ELLEN BICHELL
We Americans, along with the Japanese, Australians and Scandinavians, tend to be squeamish about our chicken eggs, so we bathe them and then have to refrigerate them.
But we're oddballs. Most other countries don't mind letting unwashed eggs sit next to bread or onions.
...
So what's the deal with washing and refrigeration? Soon after eggs pop out of the chicken, American producers put them straight to a machine that shampoos them with soap and hot water. The steamy shower leaves the shells squeaky clean. But it also compromises them, by washing away a barely visible sheen that naturally envelops each egg.
"The egg is a marvel in terms of protecting itself, and one of the protections is this coating, which prevents them from being porous," says food writer Michael Ruhlman, author of Egg: A Culinary Exploration of the World's Most Versatile Ingredient.
...
More at link.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)And remove the protective coating that is naturally on them.
Mostly, its about washing. In the U.S., egg producers with 3,000 or more laying hens must wash their eggs. Methods include using soap, enzymes or chlorine.
The idea is to control salmonella, a potentially fatal bacteria that can cling to eggs. The Centers for Disease control estimates that salmonella causes about 1.2 million illnesses a year, resulting in 450 deaths though not all of those cases are traced to eggs.
<SNIP>
But and here is the big piece of the puzzle washing the eggs also cleans off a thin, protective cuticle devised by nature to protect bacteria from getting inside the egg in the first place. (The cuticle also helps keep moisture in the egg.)
With the cuticle gone, it is essential and, in the United States, the law that eggs stay chilled from the moment they are washed until you are ready to cook them. Japan also standardized a system of egg washing and refrigeration after a serious salmonella outbreak in the 1990s.
In Europe and Britain, the opposite is true. European Union regulations prohibit the washing of eggs. The idea is that preserving the protective cuticle is more important than washing the gunk off.
More: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/insider/why-do-americans-refrigerate-their-eggs.html
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
That's why eggs in the US have to be refrigerated, because they are more susceptible to bacteria.
You know what stores do with eggs out of their date? Send them pack to the packaging facility to be placed in newly dated cartons. Eggs can be on the store refrigerator section for a month and still be OK to keep at home for a couple of weeks. How do I know that practice? I've been with my father at egg processing facilities, where they would re-date eggs.
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In Germany, anyway
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Guess that's good news, but only for those with gas stoves! If you're cooking on electric, you most likely also have refrigeration...eh?
malaise
(269,157 posts)-D
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)No generator = no electric.
No electric = no refrigeration. "Eggs in salt"
No electric = no electric stove. No cooking "stored in salt" eggs.
Thus, "eggs in salt" work only for those with gas stoves.
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)That's how most impacted by long-term power outages cook. Whether propane or charcoal briquets (or campfire/open pit)!
malaise
(269,157 posts)for emergencies
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)that storing eggs in salt is economic ONLY if gas/propane cooking is available.
Frankly, I'd be more concerned with storing the $14.99/lb. steak than the $1.99/dz. eggs.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)You just have to make sure you have something to light it with (lighter, matches, etc).
Where one of my sisters lives, the power goes out constantly (and moreso across the street from her) because when their houses were built in the '50s, the electric lines were run through and under trees so they were "hidden" and thus wouldn't mar the "aesthetic view". The trees eventually grew to become "woods". Thus any strong wind gusts or storms took the lines down - despite the electric company pruning tree branches and whatnot.
Thus the bbq grills came out and all that "$14.99 steak" was grilled up and dished out to the family and neighbors (and the rest was stored already-cooked in ice chests).
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)The original point was, why worry about storing cheap eggs if you don't have the means to cook them without a hassle? "Two over easy" is a pain when you have to light the coals and wait for them to be ready, especially at 7:30 in the a.m. Obviously, propane is better, but not everyone has that available.
I think I've already had to put too much thought into this than necessary!
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)that you don't know if/when your power goes out so if you already HAD eggs on hand, there is a way to hold them to cook later rather than discard them because your power went out, which is outright wasteful. And people don't just eat eggs fried. You can cook them in a pot of boiling water too for hard-boiled eggs.
I suppose you have never gone camping? But then I expect most people haven't.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)we started fires with flint.
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)We used to make those "portable stoves" out of a big juice can (like the old Hi-C cans) with one end cut off and a slot cut next to the open side, and then stuck a small tuna can with a cardboard spiraled inside with wax poured over it, under that and lit it.
Kindof looked like this -
I keep a flint/magnesium starters in my car.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)My sister was a Girl Scout and my Mom was the Scout Master , so I had to attend all the meetings, those girls teased the heck out of me!
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)and one of my sisters was an assistant Junior Sout Leader when my niece was in the scouts.
I bet it toughened you up though!
malaise
(269,157 posts)were called in the former British Caribbean. I can still tie some knots and learned important life skills - was a great experience.
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)High up high on the mountain we founded our chalet.
Its sloping roof and wide shall shelter us without a care.
And each Girl Scout and Guide will find a shelter there.
(earworm now...lol)
Yup know about the "Girl Guides" and it is a great experience that youngsters will always have for life.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Be Prepared - hence my obsession with tropical weather from June to November.
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)along with "Bless the child that has his own".
malaise
(269,157 posts)Dad and Mom also practiced it - they dropped hints suggesting that anyone over 21 would be a paying guest in their house.
I think our parents prepared us for real life. At reunions we crack up over things they told us.
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)and I most certainly paid "rent" as long as I was there! That's the type of advice you pass on to the next generation.
(and OT but you got me googling "Corn soup". OH MY!!! Will be added to my repertoire since I like making corn chowder and have cans of coconut milk too for when I do some Thai cooking)
malaise
(269,157 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)deep in the woods property for just that. No electricity, no refrigeration, running water only via stream. Been there, done that for weeks at a time. In fact, a few years ago when threatened by hurricane here in RI, we went up to the land in NH and made a vacation out of it. BTW, lobster is a great camping dinner using that pot of boiling water.
The day I have to go bonkers over discarding a few eggs is a long way away, thank heavens. And before getting slammed, I DO realize there are others who aren't as fortunate.
"Basta"!
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)graduated from college in Massachusetts, and had Aunt/uncle/cousins who lived in NH (we used to up there every summer in the late '60s/early '70s). And yes, I have had my fill of lobster enough that I got sick of it.
However your posts kept ignoring the suggestions of portable cooking that people have on hand whether for regular bbqing or for emergency use and the fact that some households use quite a bit of eggs for everyday use and for baking, etc. So "discarding" is really unnecessary if you have a cheap way to store them until you cook them. I thought that was an interesting tip.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Are we done yet?
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)Have been up since 4:30 am.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Then we all had a grand feast and gave folks we didn't know because it was going to spoil.
After Ivan I remember making a huge pot of jerk chicken and corn soup on a coal pot for our neighbors.
It was funny because the power came back while we were sharing it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)My BIL always keeps 25lbs of charcoal for whatever circumstance and yes, they have done the neighborhood cookout during power outages.
And see, you talking jerk chicken and got me hungry. I found me a new place a couple days ago not far from where I live that makes it so need to get over there and get me a platter of it or maybe some curried goat.
malaise
(269,157 posts)We take jerk chicken for granted
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)Ain't nuthin' like the real thing.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)Wouldnt surprise me if she comes in cat 4 or 5.
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)But I know the water is warm as hell off the east coast too.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Isaac may have a say depending on how fast that one is moving and if it survives after entering the Caribbean.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)The last one that went through Jamaica from Morant Point to Negril, sparing no one.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Can milk, sterno and small grill, water for 5 days, medications for that long and gas. No power no gas. Can soups or noodles. Plastics for windowed that break
Just saying. Stay safe
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)Except these were mostly coming off the west coast of Africa whereas last year, a few formed in the western Atlantic or the GOM.
GOES-EAST (GOES-16) image of Florence -
roamer65
(36,747 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)As of last night it was like this (and is similar this morning) -
But then "out to sea" usually means it slams into Europe. But Isaac is going to be the one to plow through the Caribbean (and malaise is monitoring).
Isaac as of last night (and similar this morning) -
I know some of the islands there haven't or have barely recovered from 2017 when Irma, Jose and Maria barreled through and we know about the ongoing issues of Puerto Rico.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Never heard of that one. Raw eggs, cooked eggs?
malaise
(269,157 posts)Old folks used to buy them cheap in summer and preserve them for Christmas baking.
RainCaster
(10,911 posts)I was supposed to fly in to Charlotte on Sunday and attend a conference all week. Seeing a cat 4 hurricane approaching just as I want to fly home didn't sound like my idea of fun. So I canceled my travel plans today and emailed the explanation to my boss.
This seems like a good excuse to avoid tRumpville and I took it.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)It looks to be going straight for East Coast.
malaise
(269,157 posts)The airline chaos is often worse than the storm
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Son and family just moved from NY to Charleston, SC area eight weeks ago. At least they aren't directly on the coast for the storm surge. Their first hurricane there, and it's named for his grandmother! There's a certain irony in that...
Son and D-in-law were both born and raised in New England, so they know the drill: Don't panic, but be prepared. D-in-law started preparing a storm supply box last week, prepping with canned tuna, chicken and ham, peanut butter, etc., and a hand can opener, along with battery camp lights and the like. She said that today the stores are already sold out on many essentials.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Prepare and watch - at least we get advanced notice
panader0
(25,816 posts)liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)The alert was pushed to cell phones.
Grocery stores and gas stations are already swamped
malaise
(269,157 posts)I hate the confusion
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)I find them annoying and inconvenient but I've learned to live with them because the joys of island life far outweigh the sorrows.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)There's a swamp there that needs to be cleaned up.
BumRushDaShow
(129,361 posts)Hell, I'm in Philly and am starting to mentally plan what to do with my outside potted trees and tropicals. There has already been so much rain this summer that if this thing did come into the east coast, the concern might be for even more rain, let alone wind. And the coastline will be torn up to boot.
I remember when Isabel blew through and took down all kinds of trees here. Same with Irene and Sandy. The street I used to live on had 10 large old sycamores as street trees over a 2 block area and all of them were gone after Irene and Sandy (6 of them had pancaked down the row during Irene and the other 4 fell over during Sandy).
And you know who'll leave the swamp quick fast and in a hurry and make a new one somewhere else.
malaise
(269,157 posts)yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)The Euro Model has it making landfall on the SC/NC border.
It stalls inland and then moves slowly north toward DC by next weekend.
3 hour rainfall rates 1-3 inches and hour.
Lots of flooding
eleny
(46,166 posts)And almost immediately, "nevermind" came to mind. Sad but true. After only a year and a half we don't have the protections we used to have because the executive doesn't care. So any good advice to prepare is more than worthwhile. You're so caring, m!
malaise
(269,157 posts)malaise
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North Carolina
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/084537.shtml?cone#contents
jpak
(41,758 posts)Stay safe everyone.
jimlup
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so I'll monitor it closely.
dad that is...
malaise
(269,157 posts)Check that he's had trees trimmed and has everything ready if he needs to move.