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JHan

(10,173 posts)
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 01:25 PM Sep 2018

Voting As An Expression of Personality...

or Why I Didn't Watch Chris Hayes last night.

From the reaction on DU, and social media in general, it was apparently a "kill me now" moment, as Charles Pierce succinctly described on twitter.

There are lots of reasons why voters end up not voting. They may be low information, or in a state where voter suppression tactics are practiced however for voters who had the means to inform themselves, could have voted but still didn't vote, "self-absorbed" doesn't go deep enough to describe them.

When a young man said he needed to be "inspired", he's saying he needed to be seduced and catered to, marketed to even. My generation has been aggressively marketed to since we were kids, is it any wonder he sees voting in this light?

I think this is a reflection of how our marketing models and economic structures embedded themselves in our politics and it reached its zenith in 2016. Chomsky's warning was prescient:

1) Voting should not be viewed as a form of personal self-expression or moral judgment directed in retaliation towards major party candidates who fail to reflect our values, or of a corrupt system designed to limit choices to those acceptable to corporate elites.

2) The exclusive consequence of the act of voting in 2016 will be (if in a contested “swing state”) to marginally increase or decrease the chance of one of the major party candidates winning].


so how did a society which hitherto understood the import of civic action as social action, descend to this point where voting becomes something akin to a vanity project?

Perhaps neoliberalism is partly to blame. The quotes below are lifted from a blog post and some thoughts the author shared on twitter I found insightful when Cornell West attacked Ta-Nehisi Coates as a Neo-liberal.

Neoliberalism was once understood to be an approach to economic policy which favored property rights, limited government intervention in the form of weak or non-existent regulatory frameworks, low taxes, and unregulated markets - in a word laissez-faire economics. Hayek devised this approach at a time when your capitalist was an industrialist and this philosophy was fully expressed in Reaganomics and Thatcherism.

The Neoliberal sees government intervention as tipping the scales in a particular direction. Less government intervention means more equitable outcomes. "The "equitable" here doesn't mean "everyone is equal". It means, "everyone gets what they deserve." Neoliberalism is dedicated to doctrinaire individualism; it assumes that without government, everyone has the same chance at success, so those who do succeed do so through merit"

It "denigrates structures in favor of individuals where deregulation allows everyone to maximize their potential and be their most successful selves. Turning a systemic critique into an individual moral failing is exactly what neoliberalism does".

So what is the net effect of this phenomenon?

The individual becomes a self-interested consumer who cannot see "the forest for the trees". Focus on structural issues are abandoned in favor of individual prejudice, and desires.

None of us are fully immune from this.

We ( royal "we" ) are all customers in a consumerist model where we brand ourselves and signal to the world who we are through our consumer choices. We don't buy things solely for their utility, we also buy things because we think they're a reflection of who we are and this makes us feel good. One of the best examples of this was the hugely successful Marlboro Man advertising campaign in the 50's- Men bought Marlboros not because they liked smoking, they wanted to become a Marlboro man. Today, some buy fair trade coffee because it makes them feel good to buy a product they think helps poor farmers. Pondering on how we all benefit from tariffs which hurt producers of all kinds in third world countries or Protectionist Policies which favor producers in powerful states over others is too grand a scale to consider because then you would have to look at structures and that's way too complicated.

Every advertisement for products focuses on how that product makes you feel and what kind of person you are for having bought it - utility is secondary.

This type of thinking has morphed itself into how civic action is perceived by many - a phenomenon I've observed more on the left than the right. The right has felt aggrieved since LBJ's Great Society Initiative and their reaction to losing ground has been a hyper-focus on recapturing power. They have longed to enjoy getting back at liberals for something long lost, it's why many Republicans are enjoying their little orgy of revanchism at the moment with Trump's vulgarity a minor concern in the big picture. However, on the left, there's been complacency. Rights that were won through blood, sweat and tears have been taken for granted.

Voting has morphed into an expression of Self and Personality. And the candidate must cater to "you" and "earn your vote", which means that the candidate must always fill you with bliss and make you feel "inspired", instead of voting seen as what it actually is - social civic action. One approach focuses on self, the other prioritizes community and best outcomes beyond one's self.

Third Party Voters and Non-Voters have nothing to show for their choices and indecision. For third-party voters, they knew their chosen candidates wouldn't win. Some liberals even voted for Gary Johnson's absurd platform which they ordinarily wouldn't agree with. Some non-voters didn't vote because a candidate wasn't appealing enough to them, she had to be sexy enough in their eyes. But on a deeper level, what is this voter saying to the world? They are branding themselves as "an iconoclast, a free thinker whose views can't be put into neat boxes, You can't force me to vote in either direction."

Sometimes Dems benefit from this kind of approach to voting. The "Obama Brand" symbolized a more diverse America with the promise of a progressive future, and Voters closely identified with this. Hillary would have expanded on what Obama achieved, which is typical for those rare Presidents whose predecessor was in the same party.

But who was the Hillary Clinton voter? did we ever really know? For decades, pundits insinuated that the only kind of Hillary voter was a vagina voter, or a bitter divorcee, or a nagging wife and/or mom. The Media did not really cover Hillary voters who were enthusiastic to vote for her. We either got lukewarm articles, or articles acknowledging support dashed with either antagonistic spin or snark. This erased her accomplishments and dragged her to Trump's level. Her "brand" was tarnished, almost non-existent. There are reasons for this, like sexism and so on, I won't delve into here.

When voting is seen as such an individualistic enterprise, systems and structures are ignored - Like the Supreme Court, the Importance of retaining Control in Congress, Threats to Democracy like Gerrymandering and Voter Suppression. I often heard in 2016: "You can't blackmail me into voting for her with warnings about SCOTUS" Now that Roe V Wade is in the cross hairs of the Federalists, and god knows what else, we may need to experience a whole lot of hurt before lessons are learned.

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Voting As An Expression of Personality... (Original Post) JHan Sep 2018 OP
What I thought - DURHAM D Sep 2018 #1
what he said was very cringe. JHan Sep 2018 #2
I can't stand him. What good purpose does he serve? It's as if... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #3
lol ouch. Hayes has done some good stuff.. JHan Sep 2018 #7
I guess he's just "not my type" then... hard to see any "good" because of... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #9
I stick to Rachel for the most part, if I feel the urge to watch.. JHan Sep 2018 #10
I never watch Hayes ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #4
I watch him sometimes, but in general I can't stand Pundits because they contribute to the problem. JHan Sep 2018 #5
To be fair ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #6
okay that's adorable :) JHan Sep 2018 #8
"The View"! That is so cute. betsuni Sep 2018 #15
Voting is a civic responsibility, not self-expression. ehrnst Sep 2018 #11
maybe one day there'll be a return to that.. (I also love Alinsky ) JHan Sep 2018 #12
"Effective organization is thwarted by the desire for instant and dramatic change." -Saul Alinsky JHan Sep 2018 #14
Like those both a lot also. Chomsky's first, Hortensis Sep 2018 #16
I agree. JHan Sep 2018 #17
I have voted in every election since 1976 Gothmog Sep 2018 #13
I'm wondering if the right-wing love of "pissing off liberals" has expanded to others. betsuni Sep 2018 #18
that quote symbolizes the fetus stage of 21st century dudebro pseudo revolutionary nihilism JHan Sep 2018 #20
Greenwald ugh ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #22
if you're on twitter, you might like this account.. JHan Sep 2018 #23
Who gets on the Supreme Court should have been... 3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #19
++ JHan Sep 2018 #21

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
3. I can't stand him. What good purpose does he serve? It's as if...
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:15 PM
Sep 2018

I can't stand him. What good purpose does he serve? It's as if he exists to exist. He's got this Kardashian uselessness quality about him.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
7. lol ouch. Hayes has done some good stuff..
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:52 PM
Sep 2018

I liked the segment he did in chicago. He occasionally talks about gerrymandering and voter suppression.

But in general, stupid takes become viral among pundits.

And what are stupid takes: takes which ignore context and history, so much so I wonder if a special library of the things which occurred just over 3 months ago was lost with the library of Alexandria, never to be returned. All I'm asking for is a little more depth.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. I guess he's just "not my type" then... hard to see any "good" because of...
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:54 PM
Sep 2018

I guess he's just "not my type" then... hard to see any "good" because of all the things that annoy me about him.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
10. I stick to Rachel for the most part, if I feel the urge to watch..
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:53 PM
Sep 2018

I expected last night to be exactly as I've seen it described so I missed nothing by avoiding it. I'm watching clips of it now and facepalming throughout.

ismnotwasm

(41,979 posts)
4. I never watch Hayes
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:36 PM
Sep 2018

I don’t care for him. I do want to woo the non-voter, but these—the “I’m not inspired” voters are simply intellectually lazy, very entitled or misinformed. If I’ve learned anything over the last couple years, is to never underestimate the lack of interest in the nuts and bolts of politics in our cult of personality age.

This is what I hang on to: 94% of Black women who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton. Not because she inspired them, although she inspired many, not because they particularly cared for her, although Hillary is well loved from many people across lines of race and culture, not because they agreed with all her plans or her entire platform although it was a well crafted outline that many lauded, they voted for her because they understood what was at stake for themselves, for their country, for people of color. They heeded the warnings. They read the signs. They believed Donald Trump when he showed them what he was—they never made up some sort of softening narrative for him.

So #votelikeblackwomen, a hashtag started by a young millennial African American activist, makes more sense to me than all the angsty reviews of who did vote for Trump, who didn’t vote, or who voted “against” Hillary like an asshole.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
5. I watch him sometimes, but in general I can't stand Pundits because they contribute to the problem.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:37 PM
Sep 2018

discourse on cable news media is just ... ......
Edit: actually not just cable news media, I stopped following some podcasts as well.

let's just say I avoid it all but I do watch Rachel sometimes as well ( and Joy)

ismnotwasm

(41,979 posts)
6. To be fair
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:48 PM
Sep 2018

I don’t have the attention span for shows, I like to read. My husband is just the opposite, he has Multiple Sclerosis and has a hard time with reading, so I do see things sometimes. His favorite show is “The View” which I find adorable. I’ll come out cussing Megan Mccain or her like once in a while—it’s a good conversation starter between him and I—or he’ll just listen to me rant for a while

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
11. Voting is a civic responsibility, not self-expression.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 03:57 PM
Sep 2018

My sig line quote says it more eloquently.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
14. "Effective organization is thwarted by the desire for instant and dramatic change." -Saul Alinsky
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 04:03 PM
Sep 2018

...another fave quote.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Like those both a lot also. Chomsky's first,
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:40 PM
Sep 2018

well stated quote also, pleasantly surprising because I've often thought he should have concentrated on his contributions through linguistics.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
17. I agree.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:23 PM
Sep 2018

I wish more heeded his advice at the time.

Re linguistics, Over time he's become ..rigid and he's getting a lot of pushback by the likes of Pinker and others. Personally, I prefer Robin Lakoff.

betsuni

(25,519 posts)
18. I'm wondering if the right-wing love of "pissing off liberals" has expanded to others.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:47 PM
Sep 2018

I was leafing through some old books the other day, one of them from the 90s. It was about the harmful affect of advertising and consumerism and TV. I was surprised at the hate directed towards liberals. I didn't notice it too much back then (except for Ralf Nader), but I did after Obama was elected and it really picked up steam after Snowden/Greenwald. "Liberals are the problem, not the solution" seemed to be the mantra.

"The liberal Left has a way of co-opting every worthwhile cause. In the past few decades, it has hung its flag on the black movement, the women's movement and the environmental movement. It has muscled in on every major struggle and social protest of the past half century. But no longer are the Lefties fighting the problem, they are the problem and if we're going to build an effective new social movement, we're going to have to work not with them but around them. The critical issues of our time are neither Left nor Right, neither male nor female, neither black nor white. The challenge for new millennium activists is to find the courage to let go of all their old 'isms' and sacred cows, and to commit to 'a ruthless criticism of all that exists.' And after that, the big challenge is to bring revolutionary consciousness and contestation back into the modern world by standing up and boldly announcing to the world what Parisian rebels declared some thirty years ago: 'We will wreck this world.'"

Well, the turn-off-the-TV no-logo ad busters thing seems quaint now that everybody's clutching their pads and phones and spending half their lives on computer machines. You can't ignore ads and constant information coming at you, you have to buy these things just to function in the world. Anti-establishment becomes another thing to sell.

For some reason "Catcher in the Rye" just popped into my head. The kid going around calling everyone a phony, it's like the kid on Chris Hayes show mumbling about not being inspired.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
20. that quote symbolizes the fetus stage of 21st century dudebro pseudo revolutionary nihilism
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:49 PM
Sep 2018

Who benefits from dismissing the experiences of collective identities? Or shame their efforts to mobilize?

btw it is interesting how Lasn eventually revealed himself to be an anti-semite. It's curious how fights against the oppression of groups almost always guarantee confrontation with anti-jew nutjobs. Lasn once wrote an article wondering why no one was pointing out how many Jews were in the federal reserve or how many Jews were neo-cons.

As for Assange and Snowden and Greenwald, it just goes to show if you adopt the right verbiage people won't care you're a fraud. Brand yourself a freedom fighter, and some people will just love you for it.

ismnotwasm

(41,979 posts)
22. Greenwald ugh
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:26 PM
Sep 2018

There are a group of people who call themselves “targeted individuals” who believe the government is stalking them, and doing things like remote torture. Some of them feel they are being stalked by hundreds of individuals. They trust no one. Advise each other not to take meds, or seek help. Many are probably mentally ill, but it is a closed on-line community fearful of “others” (I know about them because of a family member, one who switches from crack to crazy to a paranoid targeted individual and back again)

They LOVE Greenwald and Snowden.

3catwoman3

(23,981 posts)
19. Who gets on the Supreme Court should have been...
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:15 PM
Sep 2018

...inspiration enough. Everything else was secondary.

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