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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUPDATE to the 2012 Political Compass check-in. Take the candidate quiz and add those results too!
Last edited Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.isidewith.com/ FYI I took this one twice, once strictly Yes or No, and then again with the "choose another stance" options and I got some different answers at the end, so do look at all the answer possibilities before selecting one.http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
I was way down in the lower left-hand corner a few years ago. I will retake the test and let you know where I stand now.
Editing for the results: Economic Left/Right: -9.75, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36
Faygo Kid
(21,484 posts)Not all the way to the bottom or left, but pretty much down there.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Warpy
(113,131 posts)and it looks like I am not mellowing with age.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)rurallib
(63,277 posts)Why the fuck are we negative numbers? I would think the crazy right should be negative.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)on the grid based on the questions in the quiz. Our American concept of Left vs Right runs from the lower lefthand corner diagonally up to the upper righthand corner.
Orangepeel
(13,970 posts)I looked for a page that detailed how they answered the questions for each candidate, but I couldn't find one. The only explanation is a listing of some of the worst things Obama has done and an offensive suggestion that people only voted for him in 2008 because he's black.
The quiz puts test takers in a quadrant based, it seems, on answers to a whole range of questions. The libertarians who made the chart put Obama in a quadrant, based, it seems, on the extension of the bush tax cuts, drone strikes, and the appointment of industry people to the EPA and FDA.
An argument can certainly be made that Obama has behaved in ways that are right leaning and authoritarian. But it is not realistic to suggest that this quiz would put him in that quadrant of the chart.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)than more simplistic measures traditionally used in the U.S..
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)friends and relatives seem to land in the green quadrant or near to it, so it seems odd that Obama doesn't make it at least to the cross-hairs in the middle. (It would be cool if the President would take the quiz, just to see where he lands in comparison, but I am sure he is a bit busy just now.)
Orangepeel
(13,970 posts)well, that and the rest of the libertarian bullshit on that site.
I thought the quiz was interesting and I don't have issues with where it put me. There is just no way that the answers to those questions would result in Obama falling where he does. Hell, Romney might not even be that authoritarian, although I guess that would depend on who he was talking to at the time.
To give any kind of credibility to those placements, I would need to see how the answers attributed to each politician resulted in that score. Like I said, I looked for it on the site. When I got to the "argument" that Obama voters put more emphasis on his pigment than his policies, I said fuck this shit and gave up.
So I came to the conclusion that maybe the quiz is valid or the placement is valid, or neither. They aren't both valid.
But again, the quiz was interesting.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The conclusions and plats shown in the OP are clearly wrong, so I know I must not understand it.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,328 posts)In the past, I didn't test as Libertarian as I did tonight.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)That was fun
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)I find them. Teen son and I are on a political quiz kick.
Tribetime
(6,418 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)are usually annoyed that they don't rank more "right," and complain that the test is skewed.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)people in the U.S. have a particularly skewed understanding of right and left.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)a litmus test for political orientation.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)Rocky Anderson and Gary Johnson's placements strike me as a bit odd. Johnson who is pro-choice, pro-marriage equality, and pro-drug legalization seems to me like he should be down further though--this his economic placement seems perfect.
I would have expected Anderson to be closer to Stein, but maybe I am missing something.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)ithinkmyliverhurts
(1,928 posts)God damnnit, yes, I am!! I will make that test compute properly.
Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)people take it before reading up on what the whole site is about.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(152,379 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(152,379 posts)I'm feeling OK, not a lot of energy yet, and a little low-level nausea is all. I'm going to have some lovely scars!
Thanks for asking, my dear GreenPartyVoter!
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:32 AM - Edit history (1)
I have no idea how I ended up this far to the left. I remember taking this test before and I don't remember it being this severe.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)really can't compare old and new numbers for that reason.
supernova
(39,345 posts)Lower and to the left of Gandhi.
I'd probably be happiest in one of the Scandinavian countries, as far as agreeing with society and gov't policy.
edit: I'm in roughly the same place as I was the first time we did it several years ago. And I agree the placement of Obama in the upper right quadrant is odd. I'd put him more dead center, or lower red and center. He's more heavy on authoritarian aspects than we elected him to be. That could be his governing style or the times we live in, alas.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)rdking647
(5,113 posts)i thought id be a little to the left economically not dead center
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)these quizzes can be fun, but are probably not something you should swear by.
GaYellowDawg
(4,892 posts)Don't quite know what to make of that.
LeftishBrit
(41,307 posts)Interesting test, but does not really include much about the role of public services, which is one of the most crucial issues these days.
Also, the scores of politicians will always be a guess, as they have presumably not taken the test. And, though it's a defensible view to say that both Obama and Romney are right of centre, they certainly differ far more from each other than the graph suggests, IMO.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)more questions regarding public services.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Chisox08
(1,898 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)center rising
(971 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)crimson77
(305 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)TexasTowelie
(117,446 posts)Deep in the fertile green field smoking away.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Just click on the link: http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
then let the page load fully and look towards the bottom of the page,
you might have to scroll up a couple inches once your down at the bottom.
And I believe that you can not score yourself there, it is a website that scores all of the 'political leaders'.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)anything for the average Joe or Joanne.
I appreciate the link. It's good to have a site that compiles documentation on the issues like that.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)using different measures and limited definitions, and doesn't correlate to the political compass.
ibegurpard
(16,884 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)MichaelSoE
(1,576 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)The Scorpion and the Frog
A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion
says, "Because if I do, I will die too."
The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"
Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."
It is virtually impossible for economic globalization to ever serve humanity unless humanity evolves significantly. Economic globalization hinders human evolution by creating a global, unchallengeable plutarchy comprised of of evolutionarily regressive human beings who benefit from/by deliberately hindering human evolution.
Catch 22.
Natural selection in humans, which historically has occurred because of adaptation to natural physical circumstances, has been effectively aborted by global economic imperialism. Human beings, deliberately propagandized into submission, and believing that their survival is dependent on a malevolent, aggressive status quo, have lost all possibility of genuine mass self-determination, and lack the collective will to attain the critical mass necessary to rebel against, and usurp, the regressive, ruthless plutarchs who control their very existence to a very significant degree. Hence, significant, effective, progressive adaptation has become impossible.
We are, in general, rapidly devolving due to economic globalism.
Because of global economic imperialism, we have essentially become a world comprised primarily of slaves who lack the collective will to overthrow our masters and the force of their economic, and media controlled, subjection of us.
Only "Mother Nature" or an "act of God" can change this course now; in any event, simply because of its essential nature, economic globalization can never primarily serve human interests.
The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. The great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dictates of the financial centers. It will be this way until the dwarfs rebel . .
Marcos is correct. However, recent events have made it very clear that the dwarfs lack the courage and will to ever rebel in numbers significant enough to regain working democracy and collective and individual liberty.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)looked at the situations they posited, you could come out with completely different answers.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)me reading it to her over the phone. So I got to hear her reasoning on most of the questions, and a few of them she startled me by answering the opposite of what I expected. So when she laid her thought process out I was able to see how easy it was to either a) misunderstand the question, or b) add on situational possibilities which then changed the meaning of the questions.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)right next to the phrase "is inevitable" makes me want to scream.
It very much appears to me to be a form of subliminal associative propaganda designed to make "globalization is inevitable" into a talking point/soundbyte of collective conventional wisdom.
"Progress is inevitable" ~ "Globalization is inevitable"
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)Not too shabby.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)...we support. Seems like the country just keeps getting dragged further and further to the upper right there.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I don't. Where's the proof he's ever taken such a test?
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Someone upthread in post 49 (I think) has a different graph that places him differently.
Edited because the first post number was wrong.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....the questions are, in some instances, too abstract to project what a politician really feels on a given matter. To me, unless you hand them a copy of it and tell them to fill it out, you don't have bupkis.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)reflects personal beliefs.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)thanks!
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)I have little patience for modern Industrial Politics. Alexander and Stein both seem suspiciously right-wing to me. Of course I live in the capital of Free North Canuckistan, recently renamed Bakuningrad...
NRaleighLiberal
(60,559 posts)tama
(9,137 posts)I got only Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.08, but my embarrassed and pitiful excuse is that some of the questions were practically impossible for Citizens of Bakunistan to answer - or was it Kropotkinistan today, hard to keep up as Big Brother keeps changing the name of our Slapstickstan on daily basis...
Zorra
(27,670 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)bluedigger
(17,159 posts)Third or fourth time I've done one of these, and despite the questions changing, I come out remarkably similarly every time.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)have been heading more and more toward that lower lefthand corner. If it's the question switch-out or that I'm getting more liberal as I get older, I'm not sure!
hunter
(39,037 posts)Clearly I'm a radical leftist libertarian.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,559 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)What's funny is I usually feel like a flaming liberal on DU, but I'm clearly somewhat to the right of the majority of respondents (though still firmly on the Left). How odd, lol.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)FAUX Snooze would describe us.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.41
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Hatchling
(2,323 posts)Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97
I get further to the left each year.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Alduin
(501 posts)I didn't understand some of the terms in the economic section.
I'm the opposite of Obama. I noticed he's not far from Romney in his ideals, according to the Political Compass. Makes me wonder...
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)an answer. Sounds like maybe you did that too?
Alduin
(501 posts)I'm not big on economics, so I had to guess on a couple of those questions.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)but compared to some of your scores, I'm not as left as I always thought.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)just marveling at the depth of leftness on DU. I'm impressed!
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)alittlelark
(18,921 posts)I'm further left and south than when I last took one of these tests.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)SteveG
(3,109 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)SteveG
(3,109 posts)nt
Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)I am four up from Libertarian and five to the right of left....
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:49 PM - Edit history (1)
NRaleighLiberal
(60,559 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,559 posts)TDale313
(7,822 posts)Pretty deep green Thanks for posting this.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)posted soon, such as the "Which candidate is right for you." I always enjoy those too.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)Slightly down of Stewart Alexander and slightly left of Jill Stein.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Kaleva
(38,502 posts)The political figures I'm closet to are Mahmoud Abbas who is the Chairman of the PLO and Alexis Tsipras who is a Greek left wing politician.
I'm as left as those two men are and I split the difference between the two on the authoritarian/libertarian scale.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Kaleva
(38,502 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Kaleva
(38,502 posts)I'll post a request in the Lounge with a link to your thread here.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)justabob
(3,069 posts)Economic Left/Right: -8.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23
About the same as the last time I took the quiz.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)beveeheart
(1,414 posts)-6.9,-4.4 positioned me near Gandhi.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)change-out of questions?
the nite has 1K eyez
(5 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)places. I myself actually vote for more Dems simply because most times they are the most left-leaning candidates offered.)
Renew Deal
(83,049 posts)Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03
About what I expected
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)white_wolf
(6,257 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Someone has sunken my battleship
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)But here are my results:
Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90
Kaleva
(38,502 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)That's why most "normal" people end up in the bottom half, while most politicians - who "normal" people select - are in the top half.
Kaleva
(38,502 posts)Tribetime
(6,418 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Economic. -7.25
Social. -7.69
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)But I've mellowed.
--imm
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)tama
(9,137 posts)Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.08
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Here's what I got... neat thread.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)northoftheborder
(7,611 posts)I wouldn't have thought Obama would be so far right and authoritarian.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)when the Repubs are affecting how things go by blocking or submitting legislation and so forth.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Where no members of either major party reside, outside of a few "fringe" Democrats who, while nominally in that lower left quadrant, hover close to the center and still get no respect from their party or a majority of party voters; where most DUers claim to be, even as they gear up to battle for various candidates in the upper right quadrant who do not represent their position.
Edited to add: I notice that our President has moved further to the north east than he was placed in '08.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Wounded Bear
(60,806 posts)Now:
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18
I've been not so far left and a bit less authoritarian in the past.
Probably a reaction to the far right/libertarian crap flying around posing as 'good' policy these days.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)the same reasons you stated.
a kennedy
(32,284 posts)Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)SouthernLiberal
(408 posts)Although I felt that several of the questions really did not fit into the agree/disagree structure. But that's just me.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Chemisse
(31,008 posts)Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)sakabatou
(43,219 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)phylny
(8,602 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Proles
(466 posts)But I disagree with were they put Obama, and possibly other politicians on the spectrum.
I mean, he's not *that* far right. Center-right, sure, but I think the measurements are off.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)The one that sticks in my head is the one about it being a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals. Logically, it IS a waste of time to try to rehabilitate SOME criminals. There are always going to be some people whose issues are too complicated or their behaviors too ingrained to be rehabilitated. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't TRY. Cause you don't know til you try. Even if you figure out after you tried that it didn't have a chance of working.
Economic Left/Right: -6.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)varies on what scenario you envision at the time, but that if you change the variables you could just as easily support a different answer, like you were saying above.
R. P. McMurphy
(849 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)VenusRising
(11,252 posts)Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.44
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-6.50&soc=-3.38
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Hm...
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)TBF
(34,689 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)marmar
(78,079 posts)nt
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)NS2012
(74 posts)-8.50 Economic
-6.72 Social
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Ya Basta
(391 posts)Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.10
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)MyshkinCommaPrince
(611 posts)Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.64
I seem to have become more extreme since the last time I took it.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Don't have much margin left on the graph!
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)ellisonz
(27,757 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)WinstonSmith4740
(3,162 posts)Lower left. Slightly further than I was last time. -5.88 economic, -5.58 social.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Response to GreenPartyVoter (Original post)
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GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)political compass quiz: http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)James48
(4,612 posts)minus- 5.88 minus - 5.18
Lots of us libertarian lefty folks on DU
GreenPartyVoter
(73,073 posts)Spock_is_Skeptical
(1,491 posts)Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.77
Used to be moreso to the bottom left few years ago I was practically in the corner...
Oh no, I have become more to the right! Augh!
/seppuku
Actually I think it might be that before, I might have said 'strongly disagree' to the compulsory school attendance,
but frankly I had to change that to 'strongly agree'.... Sorry, I don't care how good your mommy is at "homeschooling" you, and go ahead, "homeschool" all you want for all I care... I think attending (an actual school) just prepares ya for society, and dealing with people. And yes, for better or worse.
And yeah, just too many wackaloons do the homeschooling thing, and public schools are bad enough, but please. Let's at least pretend we really care as a society about education. Anywayyyyy.~ ♫♫♪