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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:24 AM Sep 2018

Gov. Hogan rules out state police investigation of Kavanaugh allegations


By Michael Dresser
The Baltimore Sun


Gov. Larry Hogan on Friday ruled out involving the Maryland State Police in any investigation of allegations that U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a 15-year-old girl more than 30 years ago in Montgomery County.

The Republican governor was asked at a news conference about a letter Democratic state Sen. Cheryl Kagan of Montgomery sent him. She urged Hogan to take the step because the White House has not ordered the FBI to look into the allegations made by Christine Blasey Ford about Kavanaugh’s actions at a high school party.

Hogan said he had not heard about the request, but he immediately turned it down.

“The Maryland State Police will not be getting involved in this,” he said. Hogan did not elaborate on his reasons.

Spokesmen for state and county police said Friday they would not investigate unless they received a complaint — which they said has not happened. State police also said that, in any case, they have an agreement with county police that means local officials investigate such crimes in their jurisdiction.

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https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-kavanagh-20180921-story.html
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Gov. Hogan rules out state police investigation of Kavanaugh allegations (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2018 OP
Grandstanding.. It is not the state's responsibiliy to investigate, but rather local authorities. hlthe2b Sep 2018 #1
Which is exactly why the FBI has no jurisdiction john657 Sep 2018 #2
They have the jurisdiction to do background checks. Kingofalldems Sep 2018 #10
You are 100% correct, john657 Sep 2018 #14
for the 1000th time, FBI has no criminal jurisdiction but they CAN & SHOULD have investigated for hlthe2b Sep 2018 #11
And for the 1000th time, john657 Sep 2018 #15
FBI could decide their background check had been incomplete and do so themselves. This is just CYA hlthe2b Sep 2018 #16
No, they can't. john657 Sep 2018 #18
Because of the politics with Trump they are maintaining this. The truth is that FBI can extend its hlthe2b Sep 2018 #19
Then I guess you better tell the FBI that, john657 Sep 2018 #20
I already discussed this.. Try again. hlthe2b Sep 2018 #21
No need, we've reached an impasse. john657 Sep 2018 #22
But you haven't cited what supports your contention mythology Sep 2018 #33
Do you have family members who work in the FBI? hlthe2b Sep 2018 #36
And that would fall to the Montgomery Co Prosecutor's office where Kavanaugh's mom used to work. nt CincyDem Sep 2018 #3
Well, Hogan needs to be removed from office too. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #24
I'll second that! GWC58 Sep 2018 #30
Haha, yesss!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #31
Not a chance from the data I've seen... brooklynite Sep 2018 #40
Yeah, well I'm still gonna vote for GWC58 Sep 2018 #41
How is it "grandstanding"? former9thward Sep 2018 #34
It isn't HIS decision to make... The State Police are not in charge of local crimes. The decision hlthe2b Sep 2018 #35
Can this finally help hogan to lose in November? democratic friend Sep 2018 #4
Why would it help him lose? john657 Sep 2018 #5
He is a republican after all democratic friend Sep 2018 #7
And I'm not supporting him either, I don't even live in MD, I live in WY, john657 Sep 2018 #8
You are 100 percent correct. I'm biased. democratic friend Sep 2018 #9
LOL. john657 Sep 2018 #12
You too! Have a great weekend!!!!! democratic friend Sep 2018 #23
So in WY you are an expert in Maryland law? Kingofalldems Sep 2018 #13
What law, john657 Sep 2018 #17
From the article.. AncientGeezer Sep 2018 #26
Vote this idiot out Gothmog Sep 2018 #6
Hogan has had a big lead over Jealous his Democratic challenger. rogue emissary Sep 2018 #25
What is the mistake? brooklynite Sep 2018 #28
Cause it's not up to him. rogue emissary Sep 2018 #29
But it's not up to the State Police... brooklynite Sep 2018 #38
Correct. I errored when I wrote State police. rogue emissary Sep 2018 #39
I like Ben Jealous but he is a long shot Gothmog Sep 2018 #32
From the article.. AncientGeezer Sep 2018 #27
Can he order Brian Frosh not to investigate if she makes a complaint ? OnDoutside Sep 2018 #37

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
1. Grandstanding.. It is not the state's responsibiliy to investigate, but rather local authorities.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:30 AM
Sep 2018

F'ing Republican...

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
14. You are 100% correct,
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:49 AM
Sep 2018

but the WH would have to direct them to reopen the background investigation, I have a better chance of making the winter snow and wind stop here in WY. then the infant idiot giving the clearance to the FBI.

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
11. for the 1000th time, FBI has no criminal jurisdiction but they CAN & SHOULD have investigated for
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:47 AM
Sep 2018

CLEARANCE and VETTING purposes. These are quite different, but that IS THE role for the FBI in this.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
15. And for the 1000th time,
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:51 AM
Sep 2018

WH would have to direct the FBI to reopen the background investigation, which is highly unlikely to happen.

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
16. FBI could decide their background check had been incomplete and do so themselves. This is just CYA
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:52 AM
Sep 2018

(for the 1000th time). They are placating Trump by claiming he must request the "reopen" but background checks are reopened all the time when new (serious) missed info comes to light

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
18. No, they can't.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:00 AM
Sep 2018

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/407081-trump-hasnt-asked-fbi-to-investigate-kavanaugh-accusations-yet-report


President Trump has not asked the FBI to look into the sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh as of Monday afternoon, according to Bloomberg News.

Two people familiar with the matter told the news outlet that in order for an additional investigation to take place, the White House would need to request one since Kavanaugh’s initial background check has been completed.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Hill on whether Trump has requested the FBI take action.

Christine Blasey Ford came forward on Sunday and publicly discussed her allegations against Kavanaugh for the first time, days before a scheduled vote on his nomination by the Senate Judiciary Committee.



Numerous active and former FBI agents have said the same thing.

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
19. Because of the politics with Trump they are maintaining this. The truth is that FBI can extend its
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:02 AM
Sep 2018

background checks when new info comes in and does so routinely when conducting high level clearance investigations.. They obviously would not make findings public without the request of the initiating agency, but this is an internal procedure that is routinely done.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
20. Then I guess you better tell the FBI that,
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:09 AM
Sep 2018

because they've said numerous times that without the WH ok, their hands are basically tied.

But, I'll take the word of the FBI over an anonymous person on the internet.

Have a great weekend.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
33. But you haven't cited what supports your contention
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 07:09 PM
Sep 2018

Merely stating an opinion doesn't actually mean the opinion is correct. Cite an example of a background check being redone after being completed without the original requesting entity requesting a new or amended background check.

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
36. Do you have family members who work in the FBI?
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 07:22 PM
Sep 2018

I didn't think so. Ever been through a confidential background check yourself? No, I didn't think so.

Perhaps you should educate YOURSELF

CincyDem

(6,380 posts)
3. And that would fall to the Montgomery Co Prosecutor's office where Kavanaugh's mom used to work. nt
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:34 AM
Sep 2018

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
41. Yeah, well I'm still gonna vote for
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:26 PM
Sep 2018

Big Ben. Never, ever voted Republican and I am certainly not going to start in 2018! Even though Hogan is heavily favored. 🤔

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
35. It isn't HIS decision to make... The State Police are not in charge of local crimes. The decision
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 07:18 PM
Sep 2018

whether or not to investigate lies with local Police and Prosecutors, not the Governor, Not the State Police, Not the State Attorney General.

Implying that it was HIS decision to make was and IS GRANDSTANDING for political (ie. Trump) benefit.

WHat I just laid out in terms of jurisdiction is the answer to the question asked.

 

democratic friend

(137 posts)
4. Can this finally help hogan to lose in November?
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:34 AM
Sep 2018

Still can’t believe he probably will be reelected. So disgusting. I will take any excuse to have him lose and if not helping Dr. Ford does it, good. Shameful republicans.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
5. Why would it help him lose?
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:37 AM
Sep 2018

He's only saying what's true, the state police defer to the local authorities where the alleged crime happened, in this case, Montgomery County.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
8. And I'm not supporting him either, I don't even live in MD, I live in WY,
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:44 AM
Sep 2018

but he's only stating what's true, so it probably won't have any bearing on his re-election.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
12. LOL.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:47 AM
Sep 2018

So am I, I would love to see all 50 states governed by Democrats, but the chances of that are slim to none, and slim has already left the station.

Have a great weekend.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
26. From the article..
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 03:02 PM
Sep 2018

"Spokesmen for state and county police said Friday they would not investigate unless they received a complaint — which they said has not happened. State police also said that, in any case, they have an agreement with county police that means local officials investigate such crimes in their jurisdiction."

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
25. Hogan has had a big lead over Jealous his Democratic challenger.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 02:46 PM
Sep 2018

This is the first mistake I've seen Hogan make.

If Jealous is smart. He'll run on investigating Kavanaugh. Hogan hasn't given a legitimate reason and it will tarnish his moderate facade. Hell, with Gillbrand's endorsement recently. Jealous should do a joint press conference with her calling on Hogan to do the right thing.

brooklynite

(94,686 posts)
28. What is the mistake?
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 03:04 PM
Sep 2018

Legally, no charge has been made against Kavanaugh; why should the State Government engage in any investigation until there is one?

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
29. Cause it's not up to him.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 03:20 PM
Sep 2018

It's as if she files a criminal complaint and Hogan told them not to investigate. At least I haven't seen anyone say Maryland's governor has veto power over what criminal investigate the state undertakes.

He should have kept his mouth shut or gave the standard. "it's up to the state police and the victimto determine a course of action" and leave it at that.

Just read this thread in the Maryland fourm.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10562538
"Maryland Police Chief Defies Trump, Says He Will Investigate"

brooklynite

(94,686 posts)
38. But it's not up to the State Police...
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 08:51 PM
Sep 2018

Murder/assault/rape are not State crimes; they're investigated and adjudicated in the local jurisdiction.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
39. Correct. I errored when I wrote State police.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 10:02 PM
Sep 2018

Should have figured out which MD county the assault occurred and said the police in that county could start an investigation.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
27. From the article..
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 03:03 PM
Sep 2018

"Spokesmen for state and county police said Friday they would not investigate unless they received a complaint — which they said has not happened. State police also said that, in any case, they have an agreement with county police that means local officials investigate such crimes in their jurisdiction."

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