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Bernie on Democratic protesters: "I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities."... (Original Post) SidDithers Oct 2018 OP
WTF? lark Oct 2018 #1
Bernie didn't stop his delegates from booing John Lewis at the DNC convention. yardwork Oct 2018 #2
I thought he got arrested protesting for Civil Rights?... SidDithers Oct 2018 #3
Protesting for civil rights is a completely different kettle of fish grantcart Oct 2018 #69
No it is not...protesting against caged babies is exactly the same....and I completely disagree with Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #120
Not really, but he did get fined $25 and was released. John Lewis got his skull fractured. George II Oct 2018 #114
Bernie texted his delegates to be polite at the convention. Eric J in MN Oct 2018 #26
Oh right. But now he gets on the tv and says it about Democratic Cha Oct 2018 #63
Right? Me. Oct 2018 #76
Not At All Hypocritical. Cha Oct 2018 #93
Did BS go on CNN to admonish and condemn them? Did BS release a statement? N/T lapucelle Oct 2018 #80
Bernie Sanders went on CNN this weekend to criticize Trump Eric J in MN Oct 2018 #125
In other words, BS did nothing in in 2016. N/T lapucelle Oct 2018 #126
Yup, Bernie just followed the Hillary model... but of course, Bernie is still to blame, regardless. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #81
WhataboutHillary betsuni Oct 2018 #87
".. BS followed Hillary.." LOL! Cha Oct 2018 #91
What was Hillary's model with regard to booing speakers at the convention? pnwmom Oct 2018 #105
Was referring generally to Hillary's proper directions to her followers to unite after she lost... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #109
HRC's supporters did not boo speakers at the 2008 convention. N/T lapucelle Oct 2018 #127
Wouldn't surprise me if some did boo... but, who cares? Such discussions InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #128
Tell that to ambitious politicians who leverage a right wing lapucelle Oct 2018 #129
Oh he texted them. That's fine then. /sarcasm yardwork Oct 2018 #100
We have people here on DU who were delegates, I don't think that's entirely true (not calling you... George II Oct 2018 #116
"Texted them to be polite?" EffieBlack Oct 2018 #122
He could have gone down to the floor of the convention and spoke to them face to face. George II Oct 2018 #124
Dolores Huerta enid602 Oct 2018 #73
Hell yes, great point, enid. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #77
So Much Rudeness and Disruption! Cha Oct 2018 #98
I'm not forgetting that any time soon Hekate Oct 2018 #101
But I won't do anything about them either. Historic NY Oct 2018 #4
Love Bernie, but that was stupid. marble falls Oct 2018 #5
Pardon me while I laugh radical noodle Oct 2018 #6
yeah, i could understand him saying this if not for that JI7 Oct 2018 #8
Is he actually getting any real # of Democratic protestors, tho? Hortensis Oct 2018 #28
And, there was a LOT Freaking more than the Cha Oct 2018 #64
No doubt about that! radical noodle Oct 2018 #106
Comply. Obey. Be Nice. dalton99a Oct 2018 #7
... lapucelle Oct 2018 #9
We must have civility! mcar Oct 2018 #10
Hafta agree with Hillary on this one... no civility for deplorables! Not even if we win the midterms InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #131
Yeah, I'm done with them mcar Oct 2018 #135
LMAOOOOOOOO WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #11
And to be fair, BS didn't disrupt the "corporate Democratic whores" speech lapucelle Oct 2018 #12
Exactly, why did he wait until Republicans are being protested R B Garr Oct 2018 #15
It's The 2-Rule Scenario Me. Oct 2018 #16
It's Lets Eat Our Own for Sunday Brunch. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #13
The remarks to the tweet are priceless. It reads like a who's who Autumn Oct 2018 #19
It's intersting... Adrahil Oct 2018 #90
What's really interesting is if you watch the video you will see Bernie didn't do that. Autumn Oct 2018 #94
You keep pushing this distraction that this was R B Garr Oct 2018 #130
Tapper asked him two questions. The one in the OP's tweet was an answer to a SPECIFIC Autumn Oct 2018 #132
Yes, it was there. Tapper gave TWO EXAMPLES and you were R B Garr Oct 2018 #137
Hello again. Tapper asked an exact question and Bernie answered said question. Autumn Oct 2018 #138
Tapper gave TWO EXAMPLES. Obviously there are more than two types of protests, R B Garr Oct 2018 #139
Hello again. The Tweet in the OP was about his answer to ONE Question. Autumn Oct 2018 #140
Yahoo headline: Bernie Sanders not a fan of rude and disruptive Democratic protestors R B Garr Oct 2018 #141
Molehill Mountain. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #108
Yahoo headline.. "Bernie Sanders is not a fan of 'rude and distuptive' Democratic protestors" Cha Oct 2018 #119
I Guess He Was Unhappy When His Supporters Were 'Rude' Me. Oct 2018 #14
Street protests are nearly always very bad for their causes. gulliver Oct 2018 #17
Seriously? Really? Hekate Oct 2018 #22
Really? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #79
In my opinion, that's generally true. gulliver Oct 2018 #95
Good points however.. JHan Oct 2018 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Oct 2018 #18
Does that mean we don't have to hear about "Bernie got arrested protesting for civil rights" anymore EffieBlack Oct 2018 #20
Fur surrus. Adrahil Oct 2018 #24
Excellent point dalton99a Oct 2018 #31
That is a breathtakingly hypocritical remark. He sure didn't have a problem with the Bros... Hekate Oct 2018 #21
Bernie texted his delegates to be polite at the convention. NT Eric J in MN Oct 2018 #67
They had NO RESPECT for ANYBODY then.. OUt of CONTROL. Cha Oct 2018 #70
Oh piffle Hekate Oct 2018 #74
Now that's leadership! Did the followers listen? N/T lapucelle Oct 2018 #84
he may have a point when it comes to middle of the road voters jonfers9 Oct 2018 #23
So they support Trumplicans instead? Adrahil Oct 2018 #25
no.. jonfers9 Oct 2018 #32
You are describing the very place where RUMP gets the most votes ...so yes they all voted for UniteFightBack Oct 2018 #39
Mcmuffin jonfers9 Oct 2018 #44
Welcome to DU! violetpastille Oct 2018 #78
So the sudden concern is that Republicans are R B Garr Oct 2018 #27
.. jonfers9 Oct 2018 #45
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses Me. Oct 2018 #29
not true across the board jonfers9 Oct 2018 #48
Actually It Doesn't Me. Oct 2018 #56
NO, jonfers, that's a Republican meme, that Hortensis Oct 2018 #33
Hortensis jonfers9 Oct 2018 #38
Polls are reporting what you say in larger areas. Hortensis Oct 2018 #46
thank you jonfers9 Oct 2018 #51
OMG, You Are So Right/Correct :) Me. Oct 2018 #75
how is it reasonable to vote that way? treestar Oct 2018 #36
The sooner Bernie goes back to Vermont to retire the better. redstatebluegirl Oct 2018 #30
+1 FreeState Oct 2018 #34
Yes, some who are real Democrats. Bernie is not one. redstatebluegirl Oct 2018 #35
:sigh: I wish Bernie would retire NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #37
Let's be fair here...he just said he wasn't a "great" fan of being rude... Captain Stern Oct 2018 #40
It was in response to "how aggressive should republican officials be protested Autumn Oct 2018 #50
What's wrong with him? That makes him sound senile lunamagica Oct 2018 #41
Everyone who disagrees with interrupting the meals of Republican officials in restaurants Eric J in MN Oct 2018 #66
Nancy Pelosi agrees with Bernie on that and I know she's not senile. Autumn Oct 2018 #68
No, but someone who has bragged so much about his own disruptive, rude protests lunamagica Oct 2018 #102
Bernie has a good point here. Joe941 Oct 2018 #42
Bernie has an EXCELLENT point... as usual! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #88
This guy... LexVegas Oct 2018 #43
I guess what he's saying is Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #47
Bernie was great on SOTU. This response was in the context of aikoaiko Oct 2018 #49
He was fantastic. On voting, Medicare and the murdered journalist, he was all over that. Autumn Oct 2018 #53
Yep. It's become performance art at this point. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #61
This is awesomely wonderful. Autumn Oct 2018 #62
I agree with you 100% - "performance art"! George II Oct 2018 #117
If you watch the video,Bernie was saying.. Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #55
Bernie always comes up with the perfect response... sure sounds like he's running. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #83
Bernie only likes protesting Democrats Maven Oct 2018 #52
The most successful protester ever... at140 Oct 2018 #54
"Non-violent" doesn't equal non-disruptuve or polite (i.e. not rude)" EffieBlack Oct 2018 #57
Oh yes, Gandhi's protests caused plenty of at140 Oct 2018 #59
lol.. Oh Please, BS.. now you get on the tv and say Cha Oct 2018 #58
Unless it's his followers on twitter nini Oct 2018 #60
Oh yes BS fans on twitter.. is he a big fan of that? Cha Oct 2018 #65
I'm sure he doesn't mind.. it stirs the pot after all. nini Oct 2018 #85
Don't I know it. Cha Oct 2018 #92
I thought it was great when DSA protested Eric J in MN Oct 2018 #71
We Can Multi-Task.. Protest and VOTE. Cha Oct 2018 #72
Since August 2015? N/T WeekiWater Oct 2018 #82
I think Bernie is just trying to make sure rainy Oct 2018 #86
Bernie ALWAYS strikes the right tone. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #89
Yahoo headline.. "Bernie Sanders is not a fan of 'rude and distuptive' Democratic protestors" Cha Oct 2018 #96
I actually watched him malaise Oct 2018 #97
Sure Bernie Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #99
. ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #103
He didn't call down his dogs protesting and disrupting the Democratic Convention liberal N proud Oct 2018 #104
This is hilarious. betsuni Oct 2018 #107
Is it really in our best interest right now to be knitpicking Bernie's tweets? mtnsnake Oct 2018 #110
It's not nitpicking. George II Oct 2018 #113
Yahoo headline.. "Bernie Sanders is not a fan of 'rude and distuptive' Democratic protestors" Cha Oct 2018 #118
Perhaps the tweets themselves are unwise. Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #121
... Scurrilous Oct 2018 #111
Huh? George II Oct 2018 #112
+Millions! Cha Oct 2018 #123
Not touching this one, no way Blue_Tires Oct 2018 #133
So be good little boys and girls during the complete fascist takeover. VOX Oct 2018 #134
I love these.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #136

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
69. Protesting for civil rights is a completely different kettle of fish
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:31 PM
Oct 2018

And I rarely agree with Sen Sanders

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
120. No it is not...protesting against caged babies is exactly the same....and I completely disagree with
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:51 AM
Oct 2018

Sen. Sanders...and consider his remarks ill advised with midterms coming...another reason why he will never have my primary vote in 20.

Cha

(297,273 posts)
63. Oh right. But now he gets on the tv and says it about Democratic
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:06 PM
Oct 2018

Protesters.. protesting Fascists.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
125. Bernie Sanders went on CNN this weekend to criticize Trump
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 10:27 AM
Oct 2018

...and Congressional Republicans for trying to take away healthcare, and for giving tax breaks to the rich, and for ignoring climate change.

After Jake Tapper asked Bernie about civility for the second time, Bernie said he wants people to be mobilized for justice but not rude.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/14/sotu-bernie-full.cnn

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
105. What was Hillary's model with regard to booing speakers at the convention?
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 08:49 PM
Oct 2018

It was only Bernie's supporters and Greens who did that.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
109. Was referring generally to Hillary's proper directions to her followers to unite after she lost...
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:45 PM
Oct 2018

just as Bernie advised his followers, and, as was well documented, many of Hillary's followers refused to follow her directives. My only point is how does criticizing what renegade Bernie supporters did in 2016 - though clearly wrong in acting that way - help unite us all for the 2020 campaign ahead?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
128. Wouldn't surprise me if some did boo... but, who cares? Such discussions
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:55 PM
Oct 2018

do NOTHING to unite us. The time for petty bickering is over... it's time to move on to 2018 and to look forward to 2020 and to dump tRump.

lapucelle

(18,265 posts)
129. Tell that to ambitious politicians who leverage a right wing
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:51 PM
Oct 2018

talking point to their personal advatange with sanctimonious lectures targeting Democratic activists.

George II

(67,782 posts)
116. We have people here on DU who were delegates, I don't think that's entirely true (not calling you...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:00 AM
Oct 2018

....a liar).

If one can't control his own delegates at the Democratic National Convention, presumably ALL Democrats with a common goal, what exactly does that say?

George II

(67,782 posts)
124. He could have gone down to the floor of the convention and spoke to them face to face.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 09:30 AM
Oct 2018

Plus, each candidates' state delegates have a whip, presumably in control of his delegates.

He texted them?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Is he actually getting any real # of Democratic protestors, tho?
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:16 PM
Oct 2018

Or is this mostly phony, opportunistic spin on a few to make him seem more important? He does have a history of piggybacking his campaigns on hugely funded Republican and Russian slurs against Democrats.

Over my life, noisy protests have always more of a passionate radical or youth thing. Just look at that Democratic Convention. That truly shameful and hostile behavior was all coming from one group, and that was not the very large mainstream Democratic alliance.

All a way of saying, I don't believe what Sanders is pushing this time. Long before that convention I knew that most of those who drive some distance to be obnoxious come from the fringes.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
131. Hafta agree with Hillary on this one... no civility for deplorables! Not even if we win the midterms
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:35 PM
Oct 2018

lapucelle

(18,265 posts)
12. And to be fair, BS didn't disrupt the "corporate Democratic whores" speech
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 11:08 AM
Oct 2018

in real time, as it was made by a speaker he had invited or repudiate the statement in his later remarks at the same event.

BS politely waited until the next day to renounce the term "corporate Democratic whores" as "inappropriate and insensitive".

I wonder what made the speaker think it was OK to say such a vile thing at a BS rally?

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
15. Exactly, why did he wait until Republicans are being protested
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 12:03 PM
Oct 2018

to suddenly find it distasteful?? I remember just fine the acceptance of Democrats being protested.

Voltaire2

(13,042 posts)
13. It's Lets Eat Our Own for Sunday Brunch.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 11:40 AM
Oct 2018

I only wish this was served rarely here.

Of all the fascist crap we are wallowing in, this is what got you posting?

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
19. The remarks to the tweet are priceless. It reads like a who's who
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 12:16 PM
Oct 2018

of any thing posted anywhere about Bernie. Same remarks.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
90. It's intersting...
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 07:14 PM
Oct 2018

That you chose to call out people here, and not the supposed ally that went on national TV and crticized Democrats fighting for their rights.

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
94. What's really interesting is if you watch the video you will see Bernie didn't do that.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 07:25 PM
Oct 2018

Context matters Bernie encouraged protesting, but like Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats he's not a fan of Republicans being disrupted while dining out. I disagree with him and the other Dems on that.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
130. You keep pushing this distraction that this was
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:03 PM
Oct 2018

just about dining, but it wasn’t just about that. You keep dragging Pelosi into it to excuse Sanders words that were captured by the media: rude and disruptive Democratic protestors. Pelosi doesn’t have a history of derogatory comments towards Democrats. Quit hiding behind Pelosi.

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
132. Tapper asked him two questions. The one in the OP's tweet was an answer to a SPECIFIC
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 03:28 PM
Oct 2018

question on Republicans being protested or disrupted at dinner or banging on doors of the SC court
and his answer was "I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities."... And he went on to praise protesting. Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agree with him on not being a fan of protesting Republicans while they dine out. They seem to think it's rude also.

I gave you the link and the quotes to Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agreeing with him on that in my previous post that you have ignored because there is no refuting those facts.

The video is available to be seen, and that's the question and his answer which is nothing to do with all of your posts to me this subject.

He, like other Dems is not a fan rude or disrupting activities. You want to keep saying that that video captures him trashing

rude and disruptive Democratic protesters.
go for it. It's just not there.

This will be the answer I will give you every time I see you post to me on this subject
Tapper asked him two questions. The one in the OP's tweet was an answer to a SPECIFIC question on Republicans being protested or disrupted at dinner or banging on doors of the SC court
and his answer was "I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities."... And he went on to praise protesting. Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agree with him on not being a fan of protesting Republicans while they dine out. They seem to think it's rude also


Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=MSHTPrCAByw it's a short video. Eight minutes 10 seconds that are proof of what he said.

Link to other Democrats who are not fans of Republicans being protested while dining out.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/democrats-maxine-waters-red-hen/index.html

I'm done discussing this with you. Have a wonderful day.




R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
137. Yes, it was there. Tapper gave TWO EXAMPLES and you were
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 06:20 PM
Oct 2018

only pushing ONE, and that was because you could tie Pelosi into it to whitewash the damage to Sanders.

Sanders expanded on what Tapper said by saying “rude and disruptive activities.” Look up the definition of activities — it’s not just dining. It’s not just the SC protest. I doubt Tapper asked that question with those two examples as if those are the only two things in the entire universe that those two men could talk about. He just set the table with those two examples and Sanders expanded on it.

That is the way the media took it, too. A vague generalized slam on Democratic party protestors.

Seriously, telling people they didn’t hear what he said is pretty “rude and disruptive” in itself!

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
138. Hello again. Tapper asked an exact question and Bernie answered said question.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 06:52 PM
Oct 2018

This will be the answer I will give you every time I see you post to me on this subject

Tapper asked him two questions. The one in the OP's tweet was an answer to a SPECIFIC question on Republicans being protested or disrupted at dinner or banging on doors of the SC court
and his answer was "I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities."... And he went on to praise protesting. Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agree with him on not being a fan of protesting Republicans while they dine out. They seem to think it's rude also


Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=MSHTPrCAByw it's a short video. Eight minutes 10 seconds that are proof of what he said.

Link to other Democrats who are not fans of Republicans being protested while dining out.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/democrats-maxine-waters-red-hen/index.html

I'm done discussing this with you. Have a wonderful day.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
139. Tapper gave TWO EXAMPLES. Obviously there are more than two types of protests,
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 07:21 PM
Oct 2018

so your whole effort to pigeonhole Sanders answer to deflect from the damage is just that -- an effort at spin.

The two examples Tapper gave to set the table for Sanders were:
Dining
the SC protests

Sanders answered about "rude and disruptive activities".

Yahoo headline of Sanders' words:
Bernie Sanders is not a fan of ‘disruptive and rude’ Democratic protesters
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-not-fan-disruptive-rude-democratic-protesters-165956099.html

Your efforts to tie Pelosi to Sanders overall comments about Democratic protestors are really all this is about.

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
140. Hello again. The Tweet in the OP was about his answer to ONE Question.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 07:24 PM
Oct 2018

This will be the answer I will give you every time I see you post to me on this subject

Tapper asked him two questions. The one in the OP's tweet was an answer to a SPECIFIC question on Republicans being protested or disrupted at dinner or banging on doors of the SC court
and his answer was "I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities."... And he went on to praise protesting. Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agree with him on not being a fan of protesting Republicans while they dine out. They seem to think it's rude also


Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=MSHTPrCAByw it's a short video. Eight minutes 10 seconds that are proof of what he said.

Link to other Democrats who are not fans of Republicans being protested while dining out.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/democrats-maxine-waters-red-hen/index.html

I'm done discussing this with you. Have a wonderful day.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
141. Yahoo headline: Bernie Sanders not a fan of rude and disruptive Democratic protestors
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 07:29 PM
Oct 2018
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-not-fan-disruptive-rude-democratic-protesters-165956099.html

Jake Tapper gave two examples.

Sanders' expanded his answer to include "activities"

Rude and disruptive "activities. You initially only recognized "dining" so you could tie Pelosi to Sanders and mitigate any damage about his comments.

Voltaire2

(13,042 posts)
108. Molehill Mountain.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:28 PM
Oct 2018

Sorry just got back from our state party dinner. Oddly nobody there said anything about this H U G E issue.

We are all too busy trying to peacefully overthrow the fascist bastards who’ve taken over our country. Maybe after we take care of that mess we’ll have time to figure out what Bernie actually said.

Cha

(297,273 posts)
119. Yahoo headline.. "Bernie Sanders is not a fan of 'rude and distuptive' Democratic protestors"
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:53 AM
Oct 2018

Yeah, it's always us his fans call out.. never BS.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
14. I Guess He Was Unhappy When His Supporters Were 'Rude'
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 11:53 AM
Oct 2018

at the DEm Convention...that must be why he looked so aggrieved sitting there.

gulliver

(13,181 posts)
17. Street protests are nearly always very bad for their causes.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 12:06 PM
Oct 2018

"Hey hey, ho ho, XYZ has got to go," helps XYZ enormously.

gulliver

(13,181 posts)
95. In my opinion, that's generally true.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 07:42 PM
Oct 2018

Taking to the streets in protest is outmoded. It invites extremists and fools to come in and make trouble or hog the cameras (or both). The more foolish or provocative the behavior, the more air time. A single criminal or foolish act mars the efforts of thousands at the event and sets back the cause for millions at home.

Rallies, especially touring ones, are different. Those are organized, and they have speakers and leaders. Things can be learned at them. Street protests with chanting and signage? It doesn't work nearly as well. It turns many more people against a cause than it converts to it.

I'm glad there are more women from our side standing for public office, by the way.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
115. Good points however..
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 11:59 PM
Oct 2018

street protests can be impactful and cathartic without violence.

There is something perverse in the way street protests against injustice are framed, especially when the most extreme reactionaries are conveniently used to define a movement. This even happened during civil rights protests and suffrage. It's a twisted form of respectability politics in the face of real violence and brutalities like starvation, poverty wages and attacks on civil rights - those injustices are real violence.

I get your point that idiots can latch on and ruin it for everyone else, but I really think we're past the point of civility at the moment. Tea Party crazies were described as authentic grassroots activists, even though they were "rude" and used racist overtones in their objection to Obama. The fact the movement was birthed partly of Koch astroturfing wasn't paid much attention to.. but now I'm seeing "paid protesters" and civility arguments against vocal opponents to this administration. I'm seeing a double standard that needs to be exposed.

Response to SidDithers (Original post)

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
20. Does that mean we don't have to hear about "Bernie got arrested protesting for civil rights" anymore
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 12:27 PM
Oct 2018

Please ...

Hekate

(90,705 posts)
21. That is a breathtakingly hypocritical remark. He sure didn't have a problem with the Bros...
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 12:46 PM
Oct 2018

...yelling at and jostling and trying to shut down Democratic icons 3 or 4 times their own age. People who are heroes of the labor rights and civil rights movements. People who literally fought and bled so others could have the privileges those young *holes take so much for granted.

 

jonfers9

(37 posts)
23. he may have a point when it comes to middle of the road voters
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 12:48 PM
Oct 2018

I have talked with a handful of what I would call middle of the road people the last couple weeks....the kind that will at times vote either way depending on the candidate. the handful I talked to all mentioned the recent protests and some other things, and they all said they did not like what they see and would likely not vote for us again no matter the candidate. these are what I would have called pretty reasonable people, up until they told me that.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
25. So they support Trumplicans instead?
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:07 PM
Oct 2018

They are okay with his antics and the what the MAGAts do? Then yeah... no so middle-of-the-road.

 

jonfers9

(37 posts)
32. no..
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:26 PM
Oct 2018

I am not 100% sure, but I don't think any of them voted for trump.

I am new here, and in a unique spot. I am a progressive active church attending Mormon living smack dab in the middle of LDS territory in likely the most conservative part of the most conservative county in the ENTIRE country. There are not very many of us around here. In my ward (congregation of about 400 people) there are maybe 10 of us.

Because of where I live and who I associate with, I have a pretty unique perspective that I can share with everyone here, I hope it can add value.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
39. You are describing the very place where RUMP gets the most votes ...so yes they all voted for
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:48 PM
Oct 2018

this dotard. You can check to see how your district/county has voted in the past. You wanna bet that it's Republican?

 

jonfers9

(37 posts)
44. Mcmuffin
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:58 PM
Oct 2018

there was a decent % that voted for Mcmuffin....they didnt like trump, they didnt like Hillary, so they voted for mcmullin.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
27. So the sudden concern is that Republicans are
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:15 PM
Oct 2018

being protested?? Really? Now It’s all about the “middle of the roaders”...? LOL

 

jonfers9

(37 posts)
45. ..
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:05 PM
Oct 2018

they are "middle of the road" voters for around here is probably a better definition. they are at least willing to consider and think about either side, depending on the circumstances.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
29. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:24 PM
Oct 2018

Now they can vote for who they wanted to with a clear conscience. They obviously don't have a problem with people being run over or beat up badly enough to be hospitalized. Or calls for journalists to be harmed. Haven't watched any of his so-called hate- filled speeches? I call BS on people who say things like that.

 

jonfers9

(37 posts)
48. not true across the board
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:11 PM
Oct 2018

many of them will flat out say they dont like trumps demeanor, his language, etc. but they do like a lot of what he is doing as crazy as that sounds.

I am trying to help you all understand where they are coming from.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
56. Actually It Doesn't
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:58 PM
Oct 2018

what he does that suits them fine but the vile rest of it they will ignore yet beat up on DEms who use their 1st Amendment right to voice their disapproval. And where they are coming from is hypocritical. There was a cartoon here a few days ago...father, bible on knees, surrounded by family. The son is questioning why they don't act upon what the bible says and the father says we just preach those things we don't actually do them. (paraphrased) The fact is, they don't walk their talk. And one other thing. The things they say they like, don't actually benefit them, such as the tax cuts... so, in essence, they betray themselves so they can remain in the cult of Comrade Trump, the man who chooses Russia over his own country. And there is no understanding that, as to do so would be to participate in the insanity.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. NO, jonfers, that's a Republican meme, that
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:36 PM
Oct 2018

Democrats are not just protesting too much (!) but doing those "some other things" you so tastefully omitted. We're actually being cast as a threat to societal wellbeing, rioting, ruthless, harassing, threatening, vandalizing -- a projection of all the things the nasty right does on us, in fact, but even worse.

The timing of Sanders' accusation against Democratic protesters is extremely suspicious, given that it comes right along with this major right-wing propaganda effort to cast America's most peaceables as rude, disruptive and even dangerous threats.

Suspicious because Sanders has a long history of piggybacking his accusations against Democrats on whatever hugely funded attack the Republicans are making. Since Kavanaugh we see the Republicans casting us as "an unhinged mob," and right along on schedule comes Sanders' surprisingly well-publicized accusation that Democratic protesters are being rude and disruptive.

Why didn't Sanders claim that at any time over the last 2 years, instead of only now when the Republicans and Russians are pushing it on every medium? Surely a Democrat or two showed up somewhere since Trump's election and told him what they thought of him?

 

jonfers9

(37 posts)
38. Hortensis
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:48 PM
Oct 2018

I agree with you, I am just reporting on what I see, based on where I live and who I associate with on a daily basis. literally 99% of the people I know, work with, hang out with, are LDS and conservative. We get along fine, we know we have different views on things and that is ok for us. I try to show them the light, they try to show me the light.

as I said before, hopefully I can add some to discussions here based on somewhat unique perspective/circumstances

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. Polls are reporting what you say in larger areas.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:05 PM
Oct 2018

But I suspect most of it will just be people finding excuses to settle back where they want to be. It's sad and worrying, but no surprise. The question is how many of these wobblies, both Republicans as well as previous nonvoters, will come out to vote.

Living where you do, I'm sure you watched what happened when various shocking truths came out about Candidate Trump. First silence and quick drops in polls, then within a week or two Trump's rating would start returning to former levels as his supporters found ways to compartmentalize away the truth and adopted the lies they were provided to replace it.

Mostly the same thing now? Sigh.

Views into what people are thinking in your world will be very interesting. We raised our children in a California neighborhood with a large number of LDS, and I saw a lot to like and admire, and not.

Welcome to DU.



Me.

(35,454 posts)
75. OMG, You Are So Right/Correct :)
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 05:50 PM
Oct 2018

"Suspicious because Sanders has a long history of piggybacking his accusations against Democrats on whatever hugely funded attack the Republicans are making. Since Kavanaugh we see the Republicans casting us as "an unhinged mob," and right along on schedule comes Sanders' surprisingly well-publicized accusation that Democratic protesters are being rude and disruptive."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
36. how is it reasonable to vote that way?
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:43 PM
Oct 2018

Just because you saw a protest, you vote for the opposite of what the protestors want?

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
37. :sigh: I wish Bernie would retire
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:46 PM
Oct 2018

And enjoy life at the new beach house. He's not helping, but then he doesn't intend to help Democrats.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
40. Let's be fair here...he just said he wasn't a "great" fan of being rude...
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:49 PM
Oct 2018

...or disrupting activities.

That's not the same as saying he's against being rude and disrupting activities in all cases.

Heck, he's not even really saying he's against being rude, or disrupting activities, in any case. He's just saying he's not a great fan of it.

I voted for him in our primary, now I'm wishing his fifteen minutes would hurry up, and time out.

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
50. It was in response to "how aggressive should republican officials be protested
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:17 PM
Oct 2018

when they're eating a meal at a restaurant," or is it appropriate for people to be banging on the doors of the SC."
He answered the latter first, he's strongly in favor of protests for social, economic and racial and environmental justice. The "he wasn't a "great" fan of being rude......or disrupting activities" was in response to the poor little Republicans being protested while dining.

As always a lot of comments and no listening to what he actually said. Selective editing at it's best.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
66. Everyone who disagrees with interrupting the meals of Republican officials in restaurants
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:27 PM
Oct 2018

...is senile?

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
102. No, but someone who has bragged so much about his own disruptive, rude protests
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 08:29 PM
Oct 2018

then criticizes others for doing so, sounds senile

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
42. Bernie has a good point here.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:53 PM
Oct 2018

If we have a rep of being in you face and rude and anxious it won't help.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
49. Bernie was great on SOTU. This response was in the context of
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:15 PM
Oct 2018

protesting disrupting politicians at dinner or banging on doors of court.

I'm so glad Bernie is still speaking his mind.


Autumn

(45,096 posts)
53. He was fantastic. On voting, Medicare and the murdered journalist, he was all over that.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:34 PM
Oct 2018

This is Pavlovian Conditioning at it's finest.

George II

(67,782 posts)
117. I agree with you 100% - "performance art"!
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:17 AM
Oct 2018

PS - why do you have two gifs in your signature that depict violence against little girls? That's puzzling.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
52. Bernie only likes protesting Democrats
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:30 PM
Oct 2018

You know, the party he purports to lead even though he won't join?

Seriously, the fact that more people can't see through this absolute fraud is beyond me.

at140

(6,110 posts)
54. The most successful protester ever...
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:45 PM
Oct 2018

This dude preached only non-violent protests. And he was so successful, he initiated demise of the greatest empire in history, the British empire on which the Sun never set. That empire occupied some part of every continent in the world. His name was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. His peaceful protest marches became so big, the Brits did not have enough soldiers to control them. Result was India gained independence in 1947, becoming the largest democracy in the world.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
57. "Non-violent" doesn't equal non-disruptuve or polite (i.e. not rude)"
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:26 PM
Oct 2018

Gandhi and his acolyte Martin Luther King made a point of distupting. That was the whole point. And Dr. King's protege, John Lewis constantly urges us to "get in the way" and "cause trouble."

Protests can and should be peaceful. They must also be disruptive and not have "being polite" as their goal since most people made uncomfortable by protests think protesters are being "rude."

Cha

(297,273 posts)
58. lol.. Oh Please, BS.. now you get on the tv and say
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:54 PM
Oct 2018

you're ".. not a big fan of being rude or disrupting activities."

Now?!

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
71. I thought it was great when DSA protested
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:38 PM
Oct 2018

...Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen when she was eating in a Mexican restaurant.

So this is a rare time I disagree with Bernie.

However, I want to point out that during the interview today with Jake Tapper, Bernie was emphasizing voting, he wasn't saying to do nothing.

Video of Interview:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/14/sotu-bernie-full.cnn

rainy

(6,091 posts)
86. I think Bernie is just trying to make sure
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 06:28 PM
Oct 2018

I think Bernie is just trying to make sure that it doesn't sound like the leaders are exciting people to be not civil and violent. Look what has happened to the few who have said just a couple of off-the-cuff things; no civility, kick them, take them out back etc but now they're being equated to neo nazis😒

Protesters will determine what to do from the ground up. Don’t need directions from old goat dems😆

malaise

(269,022 posts)
97. I actually watched him
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 07:58 PM
Oct 2018

Post everything he said on this topic. This is no time for fugging unnecessary division.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
110. Is it really in our best interest right now to be knitpicking Bernie's tweets?
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:56 PM
Oct 2018

When we need every left leaning supporter to vote our way in just over 3 weeks?

Cha

(297,273 posts)
118. Yahoo headline.. "Bernie Sanders is not a fan of 'rude and distuptive' Democratic protestors"
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:52 AM
Oct 2018

Not "nitpicking"..

George II

(67,782 posts)
112. Huh?
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 11:52 PM
Oct 2018

He sat in the gallery at the Democratic National Convention, watched his delegates booing one of the greatest civil rights icons in our history, and did nothing:





VOX

(22,976 posts)
134. So be good little boys and girls during the complete fascist takeover.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 03:57 PM
Oct 2018

Nope, sorry. No Germany 1933 for me.

“Agitate! Agitate! Agitate!” - Frederick Douglass

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