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Link to tweet
On CNN's SOTU this morning.
Sid
Bernie, what is wrong with you, I don't think a lot of your supporters agree.
yardwork
(61,622 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Gone are those days, I guess.
Sid
grantcart
(53,061 posts)And I rarely agree with Sen Sanders
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Sen. Sanders...and consider his remarks ill advised with midterms coming...another reason why he will never have my primary vote in 20.
George II
(67,782 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)He can't control people.
Cha
(297,273 posts)Protesters.. protesting Fascists.
Cha
(297,273 posts)lapucelle
(18,265 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...and Congressional Republicans for trying to take away healthcare, and for giving tax breaks to the rich, and for ignoring climate change.
After Jake Tapper asked Bernie about civility for the second time, Bernie said he wants people to be mobilized for justice but not rude.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/14/sotu-bernie-full.cnn
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)betsuni
(25,534 posts)Cha
(297,273 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)It was only Bernie's supporters and Greens who did that.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)just as Bernie advised his followers, and, as was well documented, many of Hillary's followers refused to follow her directives. My only point is how does criticizing what renegade Bernie supporters did in 2016 - though clearly wrong in acting that way - help unite us all for the 2020 campaign ahead?
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)do NOTHING to unite us. The time for petty bickering is over... it's time to move on to 2018 and to look forward to 2020 and to dump tRump.
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)talking point to their personal advatange with sanctimonious lectures targeting Democratic activists.
yardwork
(61,622 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....a liar).
If one can't control his own delegates at the Democratic National Convention, presumably ALL Democrats with a common goal, what exactly does that say?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Seriously?
George II
(67,782 posts)Plus, each candidates' state delegates have a whip, presumably in control of his delegates.
He texted them?
enid602
(8,620 posts)Or Dolores Huerta for Chris sake.
sheshe2
(83,785 posts)The attack by Sarandon was disgusting.
Cha
(297,273 posts)Hekate
(90,705 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)marble falls
(57,097 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)just remembering the Democratic Convention.
JI7
(89,250 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Or is this mostly phony, opportunistic spin on a few to make him seem more important? He does have a history of piggybacking his campaigns on hugely funded Republican and Russian slurs against Democrats.
Over my life, noisy protests have always more of a passionate radical or youth thing. Just look at that Democratic Convention. That truly shameful and hostile behavior was all coming from one group, and that was not the very large mainstream Democratic alliance.
All a way of saying, I don't believe what Sanders is pushing this time. Long before that convention I knew that most of those who drive some distance to be obnoxious come from the fringes.
Cha
(297,273 posts)convention which shall remain nameless.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)dalton99a
(81,513 posts)Capish?
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)...tell that to Congresswoman Etsy
mcar
(42,334 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,355 posts)Such the revolution!
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)in real time, as it was made by a speaker he had invited or repudiate the statement in his later remarks at the same event.
BS politely waited until the next day to renounce the term "corporate Democratic whores" as "inappropriate and insensitive".
I wonder what made the speaker think it was OK to say such a vile thing at a BS rally?
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)to suddenly find it distasteful?? I remember just fine the acceptance of Democrats being protested.
Me.
(35,454 posts)1 for BS and 1 for others
Voltaire2
(13,042 posts)I only wish this was served rarely here.
Of all the fascist crap we are wallowing in, this is what got you posting?
Autumn
(45,096 posts)of any thing posted anywhere about Bernie. Same remarks.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)That you chose to call out people here, and not the supposed ally that went on national TV and crticized Democrats fighting for their rights.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)Context matters Bernie encouraged protesting, but like Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats he's not a fan of Republicans being disrupted while dining out. I disagree with him and the other Dems on that.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)just about dining, but it wasnt just about that. You keep dragging Pelosi into it to excuse Sanders words that were captured by the media: rude and disruptive Democratic protestors. Pelosi doesnt have a history of derogatory comments towards Democrats. Quit hiding behind Pelosi.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)question on Republicans being protested or disrupted at dinner or banging on doors of the SC court
and his answer was "I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities."... And he went on to praise protesting. Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agree with him on not being a fan of protesting Republicans while they dine out. They seem to think it's rude also.
I gave you the link and the quotes to Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agreeing with him on that in my previous post that you have ignored because there is no refuting those facts.
The video is available to be seen, and that's the question and his answer which is nothing to do with all of your posts to me this subject.
He, like other Dems is not a fan rude or disrupting activities. You want to keep saying that that video captures him trashing
This will be the answer I will give you every time I see you post to me on this subject
and his answer was "I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities."... And he went on to praise protesting. Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agree with him on not being a fan of protesting Republicans while they dine out. They seem to think it's rude also
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=MSHTPrCAByw it's a short video. Eight minutes 10 seconds that are proof of what he said.
Link to other Democrats who are not fans of Republicans being protested while dining out.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/democrats-maxine-waters-red-hen/index.html
I'm done discussing this with you. Have a wonderful day.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)only pushing ONE, and that was because you could tie Pelosi into it to whitewash the damage to Sanders.
Sanders expanded on what Tapper said by saying rude and disruptive activities. Look up the definition of activities its not just dining. Its not just the SC protest. I doubt Tapper asked that question with those two examples as if those are the only two things in the entire universe that those two men could talk about. He just set the table with those two examples and Sanders expanded on it.
That is the way the media took it, too. A vague generalized slam on Democratic party protestors.
Seriously, telling people they didnt hear what he said is pretty rude and disruptive in itself!
Autumn
(45,096 posts)This will be the answer I will give you every time I see you post to me on this subject
Tapper asked him two questions. The one in the OP's tweet was an answer to a SPECIFIC question on Republicans being protested or disrupted at dinner or banging on doors of the SC court
and his answer was "I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities."... And he went on to praise protesting. Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agree with him on not being a fan of protesting Republicans while they dine out. They seem to think it's rude also
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=MSHTPrCAByw it's a short video. Eight minutes 10 seconds that are proof of what he said.
Link to other Democrats who are not fans of Republicans being protested while dining out.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/democrats-maxine-waters-red-hen/index.html
I'm done discussing this with you. Have a wonderful day.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)so your whole effort to pigeonhole Sanders answer to deflect from the damage is just that -- an effort at spin.
The two examples Tapper gave to set the table for Sanders were:
Dining
the SC protests
Sanders answered about "rude and disruptive activities".
Yahoo headline of Sanders' words:
Bernie Sanders is not a fan of disruptive and rude Democratic protesters
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-not-fan-disruptive-rude-democratic-protesters-165956099.html
Your efforts to tie Pelosi to Sanders overall comments about Democratic protestors are really all this is about.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)This will be the answer I will give you every time I see you post to me on this subject
Tapper asked him two questions. The one in the OP's tweet was an answer to a SPECIFIC question on Republicans being protested or disrupted at dinner or banging on doors of the SC court
and his answer was "I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities."... And he went on to praise protesting. Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats agree with him on not being a fan of protesting Republicans while they dine out. They seem to think it's rude also
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=MSHTPrCAByw it's a short video. Eight minutes 10 seconds that are proof of what he said.
Link to other Democrats who are not fans of Republicans being protested while dining out.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/democrats-maxine-waters-red-hen/index.html
I'm done discussing this with you. Have a wonderful day.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Jake Tapper gave two examples.
Sanders' expanded his answer to include "activities"
Rude and disruptive "activities. You initially only recognized "dining" so you could tie Pelosi to Sanders and mitigate any damage about his comments.
Voltaire2
(13,042 posts)Sorry just got back from our state party dinner. Oddly nobody there said anything about this H U G E issue.
We are all too busy trying to peacefully overthrow the fascist bastards whove taken over our country. Maybe after we take care of that mess well have time to figure out what Bernie actually said.
Cha
(297,273 posts)Yeah, it's always us his fans call out.. never BS.
Me.
(35,454 posts)at the DEm Convention...that must be why he looked so aggrieved sitting there.
gulliver
(13,181 posts)"Hey hey, ho ho, XYZ has got to go," helps XYZ enormously.
Hekate
(90,705 posts)sheshe2
(83,785 posts)Smashing records: More women have won primaries than ever before
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/record-number-women-have-won-major-party-primaries-n902166
gulliver
(13,181 posts)Taking to the streets in protest is outmoded. It invites extremists and fools to come in and make trouble or hog the cameras (or both). The more foolish or provocative the behavior, the more air time. A single criminal or foolish act mars the efforts of thousands at the event and sets back the cause for millions at home.
Rallies, especially touring ones, are different. Those are organized, and they have speakers and leaders. Things can be learned at them. Street protests with chanting and signage? It doesn't work nearly as well. It turns many more people against a cause than it converts to it.
I'm glad there are more women from our side standing for public office, by the way.
JHan
(10,173 posts)street protests can be impactful and cathartic without violence.
There is something perverse in the way street protests against injustice are framed, especially when the most extreme reactionaries are conveniently used to define a movement. This even happened during civil rights protests and suffrage. It's a twisted form of respectability politics in the face of real violence and brutalities like starvation, poverty wages and attacks on civil rights - those injustices are real violence.
I get your point that idiots can latch on and ruin it for everyone else, but I really think we're past the point of civility at the moment. Tea Party crazies were described as authentic grassroots activists, even though they were "rude" and used racist overtones in their objection to Obama. The fact the movement was birthed partly of Koch astroturfing wasn't paid much attention to.. but now I'm seeing "paid protesters" and civility arguments against vocal opponents to this administration. I'm seeing a double standard that needs to be exposed.
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EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Please ...
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)His apologists will find a reason this is okay.
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)Hekate
(90,705 posts)...yelling at and jostling and trying to shut down Democratic icons 3 or 4 times their own age. People who are heroes of the labor rights and civil rights movements. People who literally fought and bled so others could have the privileges those young *holes take so much for granted.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
Cha
(297,273 posts)Hekate
(90,705 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2018, 11:54 PM - Edit history (1)
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)jonfers9
(37 posts)I have talked with a handful of what I would call middle of the road people the last couple weeks....the kind that will at times vote either way depending on the candidate. the handful I talked to all mentioned the recent protests and some other things, and they all said they did not like what they see and would likely not vote for us again no matter the candidate. these are what I would have called pretty reasonable people, up until they told me that.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)They are okay with his antics and the what the MAGAts do? Then yeah... no so middle-of-the-road.
I am not 100% sure, but I don't think any of them voted for trump.
I am new here, and in a unique spot. I am a progressive active church attending Mormon living smack dab in the middle of LDS territory in likely the most conservative part of the most conservative county in the ENTIRE country. There are not very many of us around here. In my ward (congregation of about 400 people) there are maybe 10 of us.
Because of where I live and who I associate with, I have a pretty unique perspective that I can share with everyone here, I hope it can add value.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)this dotard. You can check to see how your district/county has voted in the past. You wanna bet that it's Republican?
jonfers9
(37 posts)there was a decent % that voted for Mcmuffin....they didnt like trump, they didnt like Hillary, so they voted for mcmullin.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)being protested?? Really? Now Its all about the middle of the roaders...? LOL
they are "middle of the road" voters for around here is probably a better definition. they are at least willing to consider and think about either side, depending on the circumstances.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Now they can vote for who they wanted to with a clear conscience. They obviously don't have a problem with people being run over or beat up badly enough to be hospitalized. Or calls for journalists to be harmed. Haven't watched any of his so-called hate- filled speeches? I call BS on people who say things like that.
jonfers9
(37 posts)many of them will flat out say they dont like trumps demeanor, his language, etc. but they do like a lot of what he is doing as crazy as that sounds.
I am trying to help you all understand where they are coming from.
Me.
(35,454 posts)what he does that suits them fine but the vile rest of it they will ignore yet beat up on DEms who use their 1st Amendment right to voice their disapproval. And where they are coming from is hypocritical. There was a cartoon here a few days ago...father, bible on knees, surrounded by family. The son is questioning why they don't act upon what the bible says and the father says we just preach those things we don't actually do them. (paraphrased) The fact is, they don't walk their talk. And one other thing. The things they say they like, don't actually benefit them, such as the tax cuts... so, in essence, they betray themselves so they can remain in the cult of Comrade Trump, the man who chooses Russia over his own country. And there is no understanding that, as to do so would be to participate in the insanity.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Democrats are not just protesting too much (!) but doing those "some other things" you so tastefully omitted. We're actually being cast as a threat to societal wellbeing, rioting, ruthless, harassing, threatening, vandalizing -- a projection of all the things the nasty right does on us, in fact, but even worse.
The timing of Sanders' accusation against Democratic protesters is extremely suspicious, given that it comes right along with this major right-wing propaganda effort to cast America's most peaceables as rude, disruptive and even dangerous threats.
Suspicious because Sanders has a long history of piggybacking his accusations against Democrats on whatever hugely funded attack the Republicans are making. Since Kavanaugh we see the Republicans casting us as "an unhinged mob," and right along on schedule comes Sanders' surprisingly well-publicized accusation that Democratic protesters are being rude and disruptive.
Why didn't Sanders claim that at any time over the last 2 years, instead of only now when the Republicans and Russians are pushing it on every medium? Surely a Democrat or two showed up somewhere since Trump's election and told him what they thought of him?
jonfers9
(37 posts)I agree with you, I am just reporting on what I see, based on where I live and who I associate with on a daily basis. literally 99% of the people I know, work with, hang out with, are LDS and conservative. We get along fine, we know we have different views on things and that is ok for us. I try to show them the light, they try to show me the light.
as I said before, hopefully I can add some to discussions here based on somewhat unique perspective/circumstances
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But I suspect most of it will just be people finding excuses to settle back where they want to be. It's sad and worrying, but no surprise. The question is how many of these wobblies, both Republicans as well as previous nonvoters, will come out to vote.
Living where you do, I'm sure you watched what happened when various shocking truths came out about Candidate Trump. First silence and quick drops in polls, then within a week or two Trump's rating would start returning to former levels as his supporters found ways to compartmentalize away the truth and adopted the lies they were provided to replace it.
Mostly the same thing now? Sigh.
Views into what people are thinking in your world will be very interesting. We raised our children in a California neighborhood with a large number of LDS, and I saw a lot to like and admire, and not.
Welcome to DU.
jonfers9
(37 posts)Glad to be hear.
Me.
(35,454 posts)"Suspicious because Sanders has a long history of piggybacking his accusations against Democrats on whatever hugely funded attack the Republicans are making. Since Kavanaugh we see the Republicans casting us as "an unhinged mob," and right along on schedule comes Sanders' surprisingly well-publicized accusation that Democratic protesters are being rude and disruptive."
treestar
(82,383 posts)Just because you saw a protest, you vote for the opposite of what the protestors want?
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)FreeState
(10,572 posts)Time for some new fighters.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)And enjoy life at the new beach house. He's not helping, but then he doesn't intend to help Democrats.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)...or disrupting activities.
That's not the same as saying he's against being rude and disrupting activities in all cases.
Heck, he's not even really saying he's against being rude, or disrupting activities, in any case. He's just saying he's not a great fan of it.
I voted for him in our primary, now I'm wishing his fifteen minutes would hurry up, and time out.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)when they're eating a meal at a restaurant," or is it appropriate for people to be banging on the doors of the SC."
He answered the latter first, he's strongly in favor of protests for social, economic and racial and environmental justice. The "he wasn't a "great" fan of being rude......or disrupting activities" was in response to the poor little Republicans being protested while dining.
As always a lot of comments and no listening to what he actually said. Selective editing at it's best.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...is senile?
Autumn
(45,096 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)then criticizes others for doing so, sounds senile
Joe941
(2,848 posts)If we have a rep of being in you face and rude and anxious it won't help.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)protesting disrupting politicians at dinner or banging on doors of court.
I'm so glad Bernie is still speaking his mind.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)This is Pavlovian Conditioning at it's finest.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Autumn
(45,096 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)PS - why do you have two gifs in your signature that depict violence against little girls? That's puzzling.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Let's hope so!
Maven
(10,533 posts)You know, the party he purports to lead even though he won't join?
Seriously, the fact that more people can't see through this absolute fraud is beyond me.
at140
(6,110 posts)This dude preached only non-violent protests. And he was so successful, he initiated demise of the greatest empire in history, the British empire on which the Sun never set. That empire occupied some part of every continent in the world. His name was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. His peaceful protest marches became so big, the Brits did not have enough soldiers to control them. Result was India gained independence in 1947, becoming the largest democracy in the world.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Gandhi and his acolyte Martin Luther King made a point of distupting. That was the whole point. And Dr. King's protege, John Lewis constantly urges us to "get in the way" and "cause trouble."
Protests can and should be peaceful. They must also be disruptive and not have "being polite" as their goal since most people made uncomfortable by protests think protesters are being "rude."
at140
(6,110 posts)disruptions. Such as mass boycotts of British imports.
Cha
(297,273 posts)you're ".. not a big fan of being rude or disrupting activities."
Now?!
nini
(16,672 posts)Or the Democratic convention etc etc..
Cha
(297,273 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)They're like vermin on twitter.
Cha
(297,273 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen when she was eating in a Mexican restaurant.
So this is a rare time I disagree with Bernie.
However, I want to point out that during the interview today with Jake Tapper, Bernie was emphasizing voting, he wasn't saying to do nothing.
Video of Interview:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/14/sotu-bernie-full.cnn
Cha
(297,273 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)rainy
(6,091 posts)I think Bernie is just trying to make sure that it doesn't sound like the leaders are exciting people to be not civil and violent. Look what has happened to the few who have said just a couple of off-the-cuff things; no civility, kick them, take them out back etc but now they're being equated to neo nazis😒
Protesters will determine what to do from the ground up. Dont need directions from old goat dems😆
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Cha
(297,273 posts)malaise
(269,022 posts)Post everything he said on this topic. This is no time for fugging unnecessary division.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,010 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)betsuni
(25,534 posts)mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)When we need every left leaning supporter to vote our way in just over 3 weeks?
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,273 posts)Not "nitpicking"..
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)He sat in the gallery at the Democratic National Convention, watched his delegates booing one of the greatest civil rights icons in our history, and did nothing:
Cha
(297,273 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Nope, sorry. No Germany 1933 for me.
Agitate! Agitate! Agitate! - Frederick Douglass