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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 06:50 AM Aug 2012

Romney LOST the American JEWISH VOTE by Picking Paul Ryan



He forfeited any real chance of winning American Jewish voters
when he chose Ryan, says Peter Beinart.




Maybe Mitt Romney should have saved the airfare. Sure, July’s Israel trip helped him with his Jewish donors and perhaps with some Christian evangelicals. But if it bought him any good will among Jewish voters, he’s just given it back—and then some—by selecting Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate.



To read the press, you’d think Israel drives the American Jewish vote. That’s a myth. An October 2008 poll by Steven M. Cohen, Sam Abrams, and Judith Veinstein found that only 15 percent of American Jews ranked Israel as one of their three top voting issues. This March, when the American Jewish Committee asked American Jews what most influences their presidential vote, only 6 percent answered “Israel,” with another 4 percent citing “Iran’s nuclear program.”



So what do American Jews vote on? The economy, of course. According to the AJC poll, it registered almost five times the number of first-place votes as did Israel. Second, with more than three times the number, was health care. Indeed, while among Americans as a whole health care has far less salience than does the economy, among Jews the margin between the two is smaller. One reason may be that Jews are simply older. As the University of Miami’s Ira Sheskin points out, 16 percent of American Jews are above the age of 65 compared to 13 percent of Americans as a whole. When it comes to health care, Jews are also big fans of government spending. According “Jewish Distinctiveness in America,” a detailed 2005 study for the AJC, Jews were more supportive than any other religious group of government health-care spending and more supportive than any ethnic or racial group except African-Americans.



Another driver of the Jewish vote is fear of the Christian right. Although the percentage of American Jews who cite abortion or separation of church and state as their top voting issue is low—a combined 7 percent, according to the AJC poll—those Jews who do care about cultural issues lean massively to the left. According to the 2005 “Jewish distinctiveness,” study, Jews are the most pro-choice ethnic or religious group in America, by far. Almost 80 percent of American Jews think it’s fine for a woman to have an abortion for any reason, which is close to twice the percentage for Americans as a whole. Jews are also the religious and ethnic group most supportive of giving birth control to teenagers and most hostile to school prayer. And this cultural liberalism produces deep hostility to the Christian right. According to a 2012 study by the Public Religion Research Institute, American Jews feel almost twice as sympathetic to American Muslims as they do toward the Christian right.







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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/14/romney-lost-the-american-jewish-vote-by-picking-paul-ryan.html
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Romney LOST the American JEWISH VOTE by Picking Paul Ryan (Original Post) Segami Aug 2012 OP
k&r nt steve2470 Aug 2012 #1
he never really had it in the first place WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #2
actually it's not "fairly substantial". It's by a huge margin. cali Aug 2012 #7
"...fear of the Christian right..." Berlum Aug 2012 #3
The math dictates that most Americans Jews aren't Likunik sympathizers MrScorpio Aug 2012 #4
He can't have lost it, as he never, ever had it to begin with.... Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #5
LOL! As if he ever had the remotest chance to win the Jewish vote cali Aug 2012 #6
Well, Obama had New York state anyway. But this could help win Florida. tclambert Aug 2012 #8
Don't forget the others SmittynMo Aug 2012 #9
" I'm sure they'll find some group before it's all over." They Have. Yavin4 Aug 2012 #22
The Orthodox The Wizard Aug 2012 #10
Most Jews (like me) are not Zionists RockaFowler Aug 2012 #11
Respectfully disagree with your post in its entirety. nt PCIntern Aug 2012 #12
Same here - while I do care about Israel, my main concern is the US and it greatly upsets me jillan Aug 2012 #15
LOL TomClash Aug 2012 #13
Even before this pick Obama was getting nearly 70% of the Jewish vote WI_DEM Aug 2012 #14
Was Roms ever going to get the Jewish vote? ananda Aug 2012 #16
Only the Ultra-Orthodox hifiguy Aug 2012 #19
Don't Mormons have a little surprise for Jews at the "rapture?" VPStoltz Aug 2012 #17
I don't know about Mormons, but the Evangelicals do. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2012 #20
It wasn't there to begin with. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #18
Well, he's got Sheldon. Only Jew he needs, I guess! pink-o Aug 2012 #21
Benefit of a doubt. The desire for a healthy economy is a shared value. It certainly is here. DCKit Aug 2012 #23
Can't lose what you never had. It's like claiming Mitt lost his integrity. Like 7-UP and caffine... Behind the Aegis Aug 2012 #24

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
2. he never really had it in the first place
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:00 AM
Aug 2012

For the most part, Jewish voters lean Democrat by a fairly substantial margin and have for years.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
3. "...fear of the Christian right..."
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:01 AM
Aug 2012

A fear based in a realistic reading of the seething hate and malice that ooze outward from these right-wing zealots...

...And Jesus, the Jew, wept to behold what had become of his teaching about love and brotherhood...


MrScorpio

(73,761 posts)
4. The math dictates that most Americans Jews aren't Likunik sympathizers
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:05 AM
Aug 2012

He should have already known this fact when he went to Israel to pander to the Likuniks, why didn't he?

Romney has to be the most incompetent campaigner EVER to run for president.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
5. He can't have lost it, as he never, ever had it to begin with....
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:14 AM
Aug 2012

Not a big fan of sloppy writing that suggests a group of people who never supported Willard did so, just for the sake of turning a phrase.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. LOL! As if he ever had the remotest chance to win the Jewish vote
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:16 AM
Aug 2012

do people have any clue as to how heavily American Jews vote democratic?

tclambert

(11,187 posts)
8. Well, Obama had New York state anyway. But this could help win Florida.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:38 AM
Aug 2012

The senior citizen vote in Florida may be key, and Paul Ryan's open threats to Medicare may turn them against Romney. Florida has been close in the polls, mostly leaning very slightly for Obama. This could make it lean stronger. And hey, it's 29 electoral votes. 29 votes without which Romney would have a very hard time making 270.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
9. Don't forget the others
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:39 AM
Aug 2012

They also lost the female vote, the black and hispanic vote (general racism by the GOP), and the elderly vote. Even the tea party is in disarray. There's no one left they can insult, but I'm sure they'll find some group before it's all over. I predict a total landslide in November. The only votes R&R will get will come from the far right, who will pick the far right no matter who it is.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
22. " I'm sure they'll find some group before it's all over." They Have.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:44 AM
Aug 2012

The 1%, and if people actually use their brains to vote that would be their share of the electorate.

The Wizard

(13,584 posts)
10. The Orthodox
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:58 AM
Aug 2012

vote Republican because that's what their Rabbis tell them to do. They believe Church and State are intertwined and laws should be based on religion.
They completely deny that they are not the dominant religion and that conservative support for Israel is based on the belief that when Jesus returns all the Jews will move back to Israel to either convert to Christianity or die in the end times. Ain't blind faith great? It saves adherents the trouble of thinking.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
11. Most Jews (like me) are not Zionists
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:40 AM
Aug 2012

So when someone tells me they are a friend to Israel I laugh at that. They couldn't care less for Israel or the Jewish People. Heck they want to convert all of us anyway. Why are they so enamored with Israel??

jillan

(39,451 posts)
15. Same here - while I do care about Israel, my main concern is the US and it greatly upsets me
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:03 AM
Aug 2012

when our friendship with Israel interfers with our standing - and safety - in the world.

I was thrilled when Obama stood up to Bibi - and laugh at all the rw nutjobs that were in horror over this.

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
13. LOL
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:58 AM
Aug 2012

Republican presidential candidates make the pilgrimage to Israel to appease Christian conservatives. It has little to do with most Jewish voters. That's a vote he has little chance of getting anyway.

Jewish voters are not part of his Florida strategy and he's not winning anywhere else with significant concentrations of Jewish voters.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
14. Even before this pick Obama was getting nearly 70% of the Jewish vote
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:59 AM
Aug 2012

so actually he never had a shot at it anyway.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. Only the Ultra-Orthodox
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:48 AM
Aug 2012

who are as blinded by religion and kooky in their own way as the Xtian right. Jewish voters in the US are overwhelmingly liberal and Democratic and have been nearly forever.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
20. I don't know about Mormons, but the Evangelicals do.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:49 AM
Aug 2012

That's why the christofascists pander to the Likudnik demographic, I think.....Israel and the Jews have an important "role" *ahem, coff, choke* to play in the final uplifting of the Christofascists; like pedophiles grooming a targeted child, the most fanatical fundies have a self-interested focus on Judaism---they also exploit Likudnik hatred of Arab-anything for their own war mongering.

--but I don't think the Likudnik view has the impact (what little impact there ever was) that it did during the bsbush/9/11 years though.

(just my take on it all, here......)

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
21. Well, he's got Sheldon. Only Jew he needs, I guess!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:52 AM
Aug 2012

And BTW, am I the only person who takes umbrage with the text of that article that says "It's the economy, ***of course***." Of course what??? Cuz everyone knows how we are about money? Or should I give the benefit of the doubt--the writer isn't pulling this tired old stereotype out of his ass, he's making a point that the economy is the most important issue to all voters in this county...?

Anyway, let me put the whole idea to rest re Jews and money. Come to my house. Well, not technically mine, because I rent my little 200 sq ft domicile, so I can live in the city I love. I drive an 11 year old Corolla, and that's not even my first choice of transpo--that would be my Trek FX commute bike. I work a service job with very little prestige, and not a whole lotta wages, but it affords me an immense amount of freedom and travel ability.

And guess what? My Great-grandfather was an Orthodox Rabbi, so I have Ashkenazi cred up to my eyeballs! And I don't give a flying crap about accumulating material wealth.

Sick of that meme!

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
23. Benefit of a doubt. The desire for a healthy economy is a shared value. It certainly is here.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 03:22 PM
Aug 2012

The continued health of the economy impacts the ability of all Americans to work and make enough $$$ to house and feed themselves, educate their children and pay for health insurance. That's all the people interviewed were saying.

Maybe our Jewish citizens are simply more pragmatic, better educated and less likely to fall for the "God, Guns & Gays", Women's rights and social austerity (Welfare Bad!) BS than the average (R) evangelical? It was a question about the economy and the same issues we talk about here every day. Each one of the greater concerns expressed in that poll speaks to that.

Behind the Aegis

(55,921 posts)
24. Can't lose what you never had. It's like claiming Mitt lost his integrity. Like 7-UP and caffine...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 03:49 PM
Aug 2012

...Never had it! Never will! (insert throaty "ha-ha-ha&quot

Perhaps more people should keep this in mind.

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