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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn Which States has Sen Sanders endorsed or campaigned supportively for the Democratic challenger?
Just wondering why he chose certain States & not others where a Democrat was in a very tight race.
demmiblue
(36,886 posts)1) His endorsement wouldn't help the Democratic challenger (strategy, ya know).
2) They may not have asked him/don't want his endorsement (a lot of Dems may want to keep it local).
3) He can't be everywhere (I don't think either of my Senators have stumped for any out of state campaigns).
4) You're just asking (the intent of this thread is obvious ).
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,341 posts)demmiblue
(36,886 posts)I wish some people would just STFU and concentrate on taking our country back.
Words can't express how important these midterms are.
George II
(67,782 posts)R B Garr
(16,976 posts)cohesive strategy of Democrats winning and your take is that some people should just STFU and not question Sanders' commitments.
Cha
(297,665 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)R B Garr
(16,976 posts)Maybe you should take your own advice.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,665 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)My there sure are a lot of daggers thrown on this thread. Have no idea why the knee jerk snarling reaction to a question about who & where he is campaigning.
I haven't kept track of him so when i see a headline noting his appearances for Dem candidates in tight races, I wondered which of the many other Dems he has campaigned for.
I think some really need to "let it go" when a legit question is asked as to BSanders.
I asked a question because I don't have the time to keep track of everything going on un the pol world today.
I try to keep up but that is why I asked this quite innocent question.
And the snark & ire this question was met with really is pretty nasty & absolutely not necessary.
I expect some apologies for such a reaction.
Thank you in advance.
Ugh!
George II
(67,782 posts)....I don't think he's made a single appearance, or if he has very few low key appearances that haven't made the news, for the historic Democratic candidate for Governor, Christine Hallquist.
Yes he can't be everywhere, but I wonder about the "wheres" at which he's chosen to campaign.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Like this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211346933
and this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1280223662
There are and have been numerous posts here about his travels and rallies for candiates that he has attend literally every day,
Bfd
(1,406 posts)I see there is a block or ignore feature on DU.
I think I will have tto start using it, judging by some of the reactions to my question.
The question you seemed to answer politely without taking some odd offense to.
Thanks. It tells me more about who he is today.
He isn't one I pay a lot of attention to, but lately he's staying solid with some Dems in critical races.
Good thing as the end of this midtermis nears.
I don't know if he has campaigned as much for other key races.
I know of Michigan & Florida.
Cha
(297,665 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)I want her to be our President.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Has he held any GOTV for Democrats in Vermont? Campaigned for the Democratic candidates for Governor or Congress?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)R B Garr
(16,976 posts)strategy is about electing Democrats.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)it all pulls together for a Dem majority in every contest across every State.
For all the millions of dedicated people who have worked so hard & against such big odds, fundraising, GOTV, door to door campaigning & registering voters, as well as all the watchdog groups who mostly work behind the view of big media, to keep track of the crooked repubs trying to suppress votes etc, for those who file court cases against the republican cheating & criminal behemoth that threatens our American existance, I say thank you to all you admired unsung heros of all walks of life. Big & small.
Pity Puddles
(98 posts)Endorsed Polis and Crow, rallied the voters to vote for them in Boulder, Ft Collins and Denver. I went to a Bernie event in Denver where he was endorsing a state rep here in Colorado. Helps when having David Sirota on Bernies side..... good luck Emily Sirota, CO HD9
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Scroll down the pages. Donkees keeps track of all things Bernie, it's a good record of where he has campaigned for Democrats.
Keep in mind it is a safe haven for supporters of Bernie Sanders.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1280215834
Appreciate the links.
However,
"Keep in mind it is a safe haven for supporters of Bernie Sanders"
Really?
Bye. Ignore/block is a vauable DU tool.
Thanks DU.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)your easily offended.. that is the whole idea of "groups" - so that ppl with ill intent don't come in to cause problems..
George II
(67,782 posts)....there still are so many blocked there?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Democrats would sweep both houses of Congress, guaran-damn-teed!
JCanete
(5,272 posts)It really is that simple. I'm not sure where your confusion lies. It would hurt Sanders messaging and brand if he simply put his limited time and weight behind any beleaguered democratic candidate. They have to represent his values.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)I believe that is what i've seen posted quite regularly here on DU.
His values, then are Dem values.
Whatever. Glad he's hanging in there for Democrats next week
Thanks
JCanete
(5,272 posts)among democrats, and for him to actively campaign for these candidates when he could be spending his time campaigning for others who better represent those values, would hurt his credibility...would make his endorsement worth less to people who think they know what he stands for.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)"for him to actively campaign for these candidates when he could be spending his time campaigning for others who better represent those values,"
Then why is he campaigning for someone who go against his values? Why would he go against what he dearly believes & campaigns against in his own race?
Cripe sakes.
I guess i have my answer.
Thanks
JCanete
(5,272 posts)What he is doing is championing a 15 dollar minimum wage and medicare for all, which are also among Sanders priorities, as I'm sure you well know. Also, in other instances you can expect Sanders to put his energy behind candidates in big races like the Presidency. Gillum may not nail all of the priorities, but he does nail some of them. I'm going to assume the case is similar for Whitmer.
George II
(67,782 posts)....of John Dingell Sr.'s "Medicare for All" (first introduced in 1943), as many have been doing for years.
They're not revolutionary, they're in the Democratic Party Platform as approved at the last Democratic National Convention.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)I never have claimed that anything Sanders has stuck by over the years or introduced is revolutionary. That's kind of the fucking point. Why has it been so hard to get Democrats to champion these ideas over the decades?
George II
(67,782 posts)R B Garr
(16,976 posts)Al Gore was also years ahead of his time with climate change. Let's stick with reality here.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)wrong lesson from the backlash.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)the one worried about the backlash...? I saw the Clintons' out there fighting.
But this is the kind of negativity that is so easily bandied about regarding the Clintons. Look how easy it is for you to spread this negativity but yet so carefully guard images of one person. This is also an example of the cognitive dissonance that was brought up earlier. It's like an entitlement to spread smears about the Clintons and this has spread to other Democrats. We need to call this out.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)where I have first, mitigated the praise that should be heaped on Sanders, because being a Vermont Senator has afforded him a certain "purity" that may have gotten him crushed in a big money election a decade or two earlier in some other state. I've also given some leeway to Clinton for being politically cautious about defining her positions, and keeping her ear to the ground, because sometimes that really is the most pragmatic way to move us forward. I don't think 2016 was the year for that. Thanks to previous movements the nation was ripe for going for big things. I'm also tired of, and have been for years, the pretense of bipartisanship. Its always been a lie. The only bipartisanship possible with these republicans is one that fucks over the people. Edwards was right in 2008. We can't work with them, we have to fight them. People are finally waking up to that fact.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)to focus on these kinds of scattered requirements. I saw another of your posts about "establishment" in another thread, and mostly all of your recollections and associations have to do with Bernie as the center of politics, and that is just not the case. You also contradicted yourself about "establishment" when you fail to say the most salient reasons he ran as a Democrat are from the man's own words -- easily found on the internet.
It's pretty safe to say why Bernie didn't run for President before, and if you can't even bring yourself to acknowledge the political realities against even mainstream Democrats when Clinton ran decades ago, then it's just this endless scattering of blame and misinformation. Maybe you can describe what would have happened to a socialist candidate 25 years ago -- please some reality -- thanks.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)not weird that he'd be centered, since he's the subject of conversation, but where have I situated him as the only person doing anything in politics?
Also, I feel like I just said what you said about whether or not Sanders could have won as a socialist 25 years ago. I just said that he enjoyed a certain freedom because he was in Vermont. How are you contradicting me here? I agree with you here. But 25 years ago wasn't 2016.
You've made up an entire identity for me that you can't back up.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)people have pointed out and that you continue to ignore. It's a circular project, but always a distraction. Why you continue to ignore Sanders' own words in favor of your own ideations is a big clue that it is you who needs to take stock of your "identity" (your word).
George II
(67,782 posts)....over the years I don't remember seeing him speak on the floor of the House or the Senate, and he wasn't really in the news - nationally or locally (I've lived in NYC and CT for about 67 of my 70 years, both in very close proximity to Vermont) I really never heard of him until early 2015.
lapucelle
(18,325 posts)It currently has 123 co-sponsors. Advocates and activists have long considered it the best Medicare for All bill introduced. There is currently no companion bill in the Senate.
https://goo.gl/9rrPzd
http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Sanders plan, in the Senate, only illustrates my point that no, not everybody in the Democratic Party is championing some version of Medicare-for-All.
lapucelle
(18,325 posts)the congressional Democrats' primary goal since 2008 has been to first pass and then preserve the ACA.
However, it remains a fact that the only legislator who has/had been championing a detailed, fully funded, carefully crafted Medicare for All bill for the past 15 years is Democrat John Conyers.
The two senate medicare for all bills that have been introduced in the past 12 years are problematic, to say the least. For advocates and activists, what matters most is the quality, feasibility, and viability of the legislation, rather than which legislator gets the "credit".
It is hoped that a Democratic senator will introduce a version of medicare for all that mirrors HR 676 in the upcoming session of Congress.
http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676_and_S915
http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/S1804
http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/Bernie_Sanders
lapucelle
(18,325 posts)and the creation of a paid family leave program. That's part of what inspired the Democratic challenger Christine Hallquist to run for the office.
The most recent poll had 22% of VT voters still undecided. Hopefully BS will make time to help elect a Democratic governor in his home state. The people of Vermont (like all Americans) deserve a living minimum wage.
George II
(67,782 posts)...unfortunately she's running against a fairly popular, dare I say it, "centrist" republican governor who is way overspending her. I wish she would have gotten more visible and sizable financial support, as well as support on the campaign trail.
Sadly neither is happening.
Cha
(297,665 posts)time in his own state and help elect a Democratic Gov? Wow!
Good Luck to Democratic challenger Christine Hallquist!
Mahalo nui loa, lapucelle!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)All I'm trying to say is that everyone should do everything possible to support DEMOCRATS and get out the vote for DEMOCRATS and that anyone who willingly does less, and anyone who chooses to withhold their support, risks putting their motives into question. It really serves no good purpose for any politician to be more concerned about his/her "brand" than they are about supporting Democrats and defeating the GOP.
Cha
(297,665 posts)took "**** *****".. in the Michigan Primary.. and now BS is campaigning for her.
*** I don't want to spread anymore of El Sayed disingenuous smears.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)Thanks
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)All I'm saying is that this year, more than ever before in a very long time, the DEMOCRATIC brand is much more important than one man's brand. When anyone loses sight of that simple fact it serves only to weaken the Democratic party, and this in turn benefits the GOP.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)champion certain causes and candidates who are on board with those causes. He does them no service to then endorse candidates who don't align with these priorities. It hurts his credibility, and I would suggest that credibility matters. Would you disagree? Would you suggest that the races he is weighing in on are not important?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)every case. Specific endorsements are different, and again, mean nothing if he simply blanketly endorses the whole field.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Specific endorsements only "mean nothing" to out-of-state voters. But WITHIN a specific state, to those specific voters... it could make a difference that would put the Democrat over the top. Is his "brand" THAT important to him? All I'm trying to say is simply this... a true "ally" of the party wouldn't put him/herself first and would do everything necessary to defeat the GOP. It really serves no good purpose (especially RIGHT NOW) for anyone to be focused more on "their brand" than on supporting Democrats and DEFEATING the GOP. That's reasonable, wouldn't you agree?
JCanete
(5,272 posts)the Jersey and not what policies a politician is addressing. Specific support again, should not simply be given, in my opinion, to any candidate. I can say vote for Manchin, but I"m not going to go and pretend I love him.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)the Jersey and not what policies a politician is addressing.
All I'm saying is that if someone REALLY wants Democrats to win... if someone REALLY wants to defeat the Republicans, then the "D" on the jersey should be quite enough. It really serves no good purpose for anyone to put their own personal pride or "brand" ahead of the goal of defeating Republicans.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)us look like hypocrites and would do nothing to help our credibility when it comes to new voters and old. That's why you don't do it. You don't make yourself look like a sellout by lying. You can legitimately say that Manchin is your best choice in this race and that the other guy is a piece of shit. But lying? You think people never find out? You think such lies always ring true? That's the best way to just look like you're another shill. People need honesty from their politicians, or at least democrats and liberals do.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)and just repeat the same argument.
How could I be confusing that? I literally said we shouldn't lie and pretend to love a candidate we don't love, and you said, "why not?"
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)and just repeat the same argument.
Encouraging people to turn out and VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT is not "pretending to love" them. GMAGDMFB! Jesus!
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)speaks for every constituent in every state in the country. I'm seeing some really weird requirements and accusations coming from you this close to an election.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)are myriad of supposedly presentable excuses you are offering, but it is unmistakable that you are saying it is a "lie" to vote for a Democrat, although it is a qualified and masked claim, that sure looks like what you are saying. Isn't "honesty" what local voters are looking for?? It is a "lie" therefore to claim that a politician from Vermont speaks for every single constituent in every area of the country.
There is something really funny with your suggestions this close to an election!
JCanete
(5,272 posts)loved Manchin or his policies to try to blow smoke up people's ass so that they'd vote for him. I WOULD tell them that they still need to vote for him. That their alternative is really, really, bad.
If you can find any damn thing I've ever said that suggests its a lie to vote for a democrat, feel free to present it, but it sure as fuck wasn't in my last post.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)candidates are lying if they dont parrot the platform of a politician from the Northeast. Its really absurd to insinuate Democrats are lying.
edit-this isnt a purity contest. We need his seat for the committee assignments. Google poster pnwmoms threads on that subject.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 2, 2018, 01:22 AM - Edit history (1)
would hurt one's credibility with the voters that trust him, if a politician praised and even went as far as to lie about how great he thought a candidate who generally plays in the sandbox this endorsing politician decries, is. I said that a politician(in this case, Sanders) shouldn't lie about their feelings regarding that candidate.
To which, NurseJackie said "why not?" Which to be fair, is a reasonable question. If the argument is that that is what it takes to put dems in seats, then maybe the ends justify the means. Putting aside ethics, I mainly disagree that we achieve those desired ends that way, because what we do is we devalue the credibility of those spokespeople who are trusted by their supporters for their principles and integrity(and its irrelevant whether or not you personally think Sanders is worthy of either). One's word and advocacy would start to mean nothing to people and then that trust would be gone, after which, who would give a crap who he did or didn't endorse? We could just assume that the endorsement will go with the team.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)be going back over any of your posts so quit asking me to. Your whole premise is that everything is viewed by what favors Bernies image, so its a dead end to go down that road.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)you when it comes to issues of sanders and the Mainstream Democratic Leadership, etc. It is entirely possible that you've been rigid and unmoving because you are simply right. It is also possible that you could stand to do some introspection and determine if you ever let blind partisanship shape your side of the discourse.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)Your ideations dont take the place of known facts, and Ill stick with the reality of those facts.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)conversations with me that have absolutely 0 to do with the Mueller indictments, like the one that led to this. Nor have you been willing to frame any argument whatsoever, regarding the Mueller Indictments. I just need to read through them and they will become my new religion, answering all. I'm saying, if you want to proselytize, give me a bit of a description of the mountaintop already.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)this distraction.
What started this was your distractions and omissions as to why Bernie ran as a Democrat. You omitted the mans own words, all easily found on the internet. Then you wanted to continue refighting the primary since that was around that time period, I guess.
The Mueller indictments are a read unto themselves. They deal with reality and known facts. Why would I go down a path of unnecessary speculation when the existing data is right there in front of you.
Cha
(297,665 posts)Oh Good Grief. BS campaigned Against Gretchen Whitmer in the Michigan Primaries.. so did he suddenly change his "brand and values" to campaign for her Now that she beat his candidate?
JCanete
(5,272 posts)you?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,341 posts)It leads to silly arguments and nonsense points. I mean, who cares if someone supported another candidate in the primary and then supports/campaigns for the eventual nominee in the general election? Thats how it works and how its supposed to go.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,665 posts)tried to link Gretchen Whitmer to every kind of "corporatist" there is.. and BS went along with it.
Now he's campaigned for Gretchen. Are you sure it's not going to "..hurt his messaging and brand.."?
Why would you ask ".. Is this confusing to you?" It's clear as glass to me.
lapucelle
(18,325 posts)The gun-friendly incumbent Republican governor of Vermont vetoed a living minimum wage, the establishment of a paid family leave program, and houses out of state prisoners in a for-profit prison in Mississippi.
lapucelle
(18,325 posts)since her victory in August as he spent over the summer campaigning for losing primary candidates and appearing with the winners outside of his home state ever since the GE season began in earnest.
Sanders will finally be appearing jointly with Hallquist and other local candidates this GOTV weekend. Hopefully that will be enough to unseat a gun-friendly Republican incumbent who has vetoed both an increase in the minimum wage and the establishment of a paid family leave program.
Like all Americans, the people of Vermont deserve better.
George II
(67,782 posts)I wonder if he contributed any of his eight million dollar campaign war chest to historic candidate Hallquist?
Unfortunately at this late date, she's probably going to be defeated.
George II
(67,782 posts)...bash her on the primary campaign trail?
lapucelle
(18,325 posts)and campaigns for Christine Hallquist. The incumbent Republican governor vetoed both a raise in the minimum wage and the establishment of a paid family leave program.
George II
(67,782 posts)R B Garr
(16,976 posts)I think that's what this thread is about -- how is the support doled out so it doesn't look divisive.
BTW, I'm glad Feinstein didn't mention her "values" about Bernie in their reelection campaigns the way he did about her.
**who is she "beleaguered" by?? I know...
JCanete
(5,272 posts)democrat. Either way, democrats win. But beleaguered just means beset with troubles...which I only meant as being in tight races. I might have chosen a different word and am fine with that, but I don't know what about the word you most object to. I don't know what is divisive about it.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)Those double standards at work again.
Me.
(35,454 posts)"It would hurt Sanders messaging and brand if he simply put his limited time and weight behind any beleaguered democratic candidate"
But why then is he campaigning for Ben Jealous?
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)"beleaguered" by what? and "beleaguered" by whom?? Huge tell right there...
JCanete
(5,272 posts)principles align with Sanders principles regarding specific priorities. Sanders has made no bones about supporting candidates like this who are incredibly under-covered or are in uphill battles. He doesn't endorse based on likelihood of winning, and that was certainly not my suggestion, even though you read it that way.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)state sees only around 200,000 voting for him. That's a lot of divisiveness to tell millions and millions of Californians that Feinstein is out of touch and needs to retire. I'm so glad she didn't diss Vermont and the 200,000 Bernie voters like that.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)that you can't be a longstanding politician here and be out of touch giving how easy it is to just bury the competition in media? For my part, I'll be voting for her challenger, though had he been a Republican, of course I would again, be casting my vote for her.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)but that's probably why those one-size-fits-all smears didn't play so well here. They are not a cohesive argument against politicians who are just well liked. Look how popular she still is even after a fellow Senator smears her to promote his own platform (your previous post confirms his messaging priority).*
from your post 18:
"It would hurt Sanders messaging and brand if he simply put his limited time and weight behind any beleaguered democratic candidate."
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Medicare for All, and has not been in alignment with me on numerous issues, and its entirely fair for anybody to weigh in and say so. Whether she's out of touch or not, I'm not sure her popularity can be a gauge stating otherwise, but it is certainly a gauge of whether or not people think she's out of touch with them, and to that, clearly they do not.
But then 40 percent of the population don't realize that Trump is out of touch with them on economic issues. They have no clue. That can be said over and over about Republican Senators and Governors everywhere, whether they enjoy popularity or not.
Feinstein is thankfully to the left of all of those people, and my point isn't to equate her personally to them. It is only to state what should be obvious, that people don't always have all the facts, but often have the familiarity and the generally accepted and propagated sense of their elected leaders.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)that only someone espousing benefits they have not achieved in their own state can tell a long-term elected California Senator she is out of touch and needs to retire. Vermont does not have Medicare for All. Feinstein isn't calling for Bernie to retire because he has not come through for Vermonters. I'm glad most voters are smarter and don't fall for that.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)US Senator. The ball is still in motion, and him making it nationally more reasonable to people makes it locally more reasonable to people, and makes it more possible, not less, that states like Vermont may attempt this in the future.
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)supposed to talk about something* that he has been unable to achieve in his own state. So apparently just "talking" about Medicare for All is not enough, but that is the standard imposed on others. Talk about something that has failed on a "talking" level in his own state. Obviously it takes much more than talking, so why put on other politicians what he has failed to convince others of in his own state.
*The Clinton's introduced national universal health care into the national dialogue literally decades ago.
Cha
(297,665 posts)way better than that poster can even imagine!
Did you mean why isn't BS campaigning for BJ?
but I did mean why is he campaigning for BJ, if the response truly is that BS doesn't have time for beleaguered candidate which Ben Jealous, sadly, truly is. Hogan is ahead by double digits. Many of races with progressive candidates are very tight but not this one. I'd say BJ fits the description of beleaguered.
Sorry!
Me.
(35,454 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....you just said what many have been saying for a few years now about Sanders' priorities. Thanks so much.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... multiple times. There can be no doubts. I take him at his word.
Cha
(297,665 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...to campaigning for the Democratic candidate for Governor in his home state?
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)lapucelle
(18,325 posts)mac56
(17,574 posts)You're just embarrassing yourself.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Why would that be an embarrassment?
What a mean thing to say to me.
I have no idea why you said this.
I asked a legitimate question and you respond with this?
"Good God. Let it go.
You're just embarrassing yourself."
Maybe you can explain whaat you meant.
Cha
(297,665 posts)their self.