I'm not sure what the smell coming from Michael Moore is, but there is something not right

[Stinky The Clown]

[oasis]

1. On Ari Melber/MSNBC for an interview. No stink bombs yet.

[Stinky The Clown]

2. Watching it. It is ALL stink bombs

He says LIKELY the GOP will win the house and increase in the Senate.

[onlyadream]

3. He's just trying to get people out to vote. Nt

[mcar]

24. No, he's not

Doing the doom and gloom we're gonna looooooooosssssse crap does not encourage voting. He has his own agenda.

[obamanut2012]

34. 100% This

[sheshe2]

52. Yep

I had to mute the TV

[at140]

53. He can make another money making movie

if the repugs keep the house.

[Demovictory9]

66. agreed. better ways to encourage voting

[MrGrieves]

91. Agreed! He needs suffering to make movies about it.

I like his stuff mostly. I really do. But he needs suffering to make movies about it. He doesn't make movies highlighting the good things that happen.

[MFM008]

107. I voted

I dont listen to him.
Pay no attention to polls.
Vote.
2 DAYS

[Wintryjade]

109. I do not think it is to get the vote out. Depress the vote.

[JNelson6563]

113. He needs it to be so.

So he does what he can to bring it about.

[LBM20]

114. I too am tiring of his reverse psychology tactic. He should say, "Dems will win IF they VOTE."

[EffieBlack]

82. I don't think so.

But just in case that's what he's trying to do - no, thank you, Mike. We have GOTV teams working night and day and they know what they're doing. They don't need your help.

[BannonsLiver]

98. Nah, it's wishful thinking

Misery and Trump are good for Moore Inc.

[McCamy Taylor]

119. Moore was a Bush is the Same as Gore Norquist Dupe

[oasis]

5. "Extremely likely" he said.

[VOX]

6. WHAT??? What the hell is wrong with him?

It’s like he WANTS Democrats to fail. I’ve had a bellyful of Michael Moore.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

9. Me too.

I'm w you. Just too much of this crap from him. The reverse psychology is NOT what I'm are needing now. But, that's me.

[VOX]

11. It's you, and it's me. So there are two of us, at least.

Strength in numbers.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

13. +1

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

75. I'm with you

I don't like the direction he's taken and never liked his movies.

[VOX]

76. Hop on board, there's plenty of room!

Moore shot his bolt during the Bush II years. He’s just bumming a career now.

[Cha]

19. Absolutely.. make that three.. oh, and

I know a lot MOAR who feel this way.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

21. +1

He's been way out of line. Imho.

[nolabear]

28. A caravan full!

He gives me the screaming meemies these days.

[VOX]

80. Caravan? Call for 15,000 troops!

As I think about it, we are kind of a caravan— seeking a peaceful existence, steady and sane leadership, an end to rampant corruption, an end to this dangerous flirtation with fascism, and making friends again of the enemies who were once our friends before #45.

[EffieBlack]

73. Plus me makes one more

Sick of his schtick.

[VOX]

79. Hop on! Lotsa room!

MM has ceased to be relevant. Once, he was; but no longer.

[VOX]

77. Glad to have you aboard!

MM was relevant once, but he’s just “phoning it in” at this point.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

87. He was not exactly helpful in the last election.....

[BannonsLiver]

97. When has he ever been helpful?

He supported Nader in 2000 which brought us W. He was very lukewarm on Kerry and Obama. In 2016 he talked a lot about holding his nose to vote for Hillary after spending the primary season bashing her. The fact is, Trump is good for Moore Inc. What he's been saying is actually not meant to motivate, it's WISHFUL THINKING.

He wants us to lose.

[sdfernando]

105. Complain all you want

Just remember that he was out there saying the orange pustule could win the presidency.

I don’t think he is right this time but I cannot fully discount is opinion.

[Drunken Irishman]

112. He also said Romney would beat Obama...

https://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/31/michael-moore-predicts-president-romney-in-november/

[LBM20]

115. He is using the WRONG tactic! He should just say, "Dems can win IF they go VOTE." Period.

[oasis]

4. "Do not listen to the polls". "Extremely likely Republicans hold on to

The House and gain seats in the Senate", says MM.

"Extremely likely"?????

[mindfulNJ]

30. Missed the segment

What is his rationale for saying that? Just a feeling?

[oasis]

85. MM has access to as much info as anyone, but he chooses

to interpret it in a way that makes him the "Oracle" in case there's a disaster at the polls.

[BlueintheSTL]

7. Is Michael Moore even all that relevant anymore?

I mean who listens to this guy? His last documentary bombed at the box office. Something has been off with this guy for a while now. His gratuitous shots at Obama in his movie were ridiculous.

[beachbum bob]

8. Moore is all about Moore, no more and no less. He became a non entity to me

A decade or more to me.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

51. Ive always picked up a jealousy of Obama from him

In 2004, Moore was sold as the voice of the leftwing and youth. Dems catered to him and invited him to sit with Carter at the convention.

He really thought of himself as a kingmaker.

Then, along came Obama, who won the nomination without needing to kiss Moore's ring and became a hero to younger voters and Moore lost the spotlight.

That's driven him crazy.

[JI7]

10. this is where he was during that Trump Tower Meeting

[kcr]

16. Hey, that's his get-out-the-vote buddy!

They're clearly planning their get out the vote strategy, there.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

22. What is up w those rag-bag hats that look like he sat on them?

Come on Mike. Tighten it up and know your role.

[True Dough]

12. Like him or not

Moore's been prescient in his political forecasting. He seems to call it like he sees it and he's been correct quite often. Heed his words, prove him wrong and GOTV!

[Cha]

23. MM said Romney would win, too.. and told his

fans to "embrace trump".

Tries to smear President Obama.. no one Woke is buying it.

I ain't feeling it.. no matter wth he comes up with.

[qazplm135]

31. No he hasn't

What he's done is predict losses every time and ended up right in 16

[JI7]

37. and never mentions the role of Putin and Comey in that election

[betsuni]

40. I'm wondering why he completely ignores these things.

What'd make a good documentary would be about the hackings, why it was perfectly fine to show Democrats' stolen emails on the news, and troll farms -- why Americans are such gullible targets of fake news and propaganda. But of course he couldn't blame Democrats so I guess that's out.

[Cha]

42. Thank You for making these excellent

points, betsuni.

MM isn't really into reality so much of the time when it comes to the Democratic Party.

[betsuni]

47. MM has no excuse. The information is out there and more coming.

I'm reading Michael Isikoff and David Corn's "Russian Roulette, the inside story of Putin's war on America and the election of Donald Trump." This is an interesting and important story and MM is totally out of the loop.

I don't think all this everything-and-everything-is-corrupt negativity is helpful. It's all emotion and dramatics.

[Cha]

54. He's a RF pure and simple..

even in this crisis of trying to keep the Fascists from completely over taking our country and by extension the Planet.

And, of course, the M$M has him on the "level the playing field".

We need Michael Moore and his propaganda like another gaslighting zombie.

Check out this post.. Dead on.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11360588

[betsuni]

63. Dead on is right!

[stopbush]

41. Exactly. It's all about Hillary being a bad candidate and Ds assuming they would win.

Nothing in his predicitions or his post mortem mentions the actual reason for tRump’s win.

[True Dough]

45. Did you bother to see Fahrenheit 11/9 or read about it?

Apparently not...

Then it's on to the big question. HOW? Yes, it was the Russians, Moore says, and James Comey, but really, it was Gwen Stefani. When Trump realized NBC was paying her more on "The Voice" than he was getting on "The Apprentice," Moore posits, he announced a "fake" presidential run to raise his profile with the network. Only later, he says, adoring rally crowds convinced Trump that maybe this president thing was an OK idea.

Moore excoriates the media. The candidate was their cash cow, he says, showing none other than Les Moonves — the recently deposed CBS chief — saying, "It may not be good for America, but it's darned good for CBS."

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/living/film-review-michael-moore-takes-on-trump-via-flint-michigan-243027/

[JI7]

49. he is dismissive of and goes into some crap about something else

[True Dough]

43. You can remain in denial

or you can refresh yourself on the facts.

https://www.mensjournal.com/entertainment/of-all-people-michael-moore-predicted-exactly-what-happened-in-the-election-w449536/

[qazplm135]

60. you mean how when he predicted Romney would win?

https://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/31/michael-moore-predicts-president-romney-in-november/

[True Dough]

61. So he hasn't nailed 'em all 100%

Find me someone who has. Moore's sense of the political landscape is accurate enough that he should be ignored at your peril.

[qazplm135]

67. Or McCain?

You want me to keep going?

[True Dough]

69. Have at it

Better yet, let us know when you're invited to be a member of a political panel or you make your first award-winning documentary.

[qazplm135]

86. argument from authority

pretty basic logical fallacy.

So because of those two things, what exactly? How do either of those relate to the fact that he's missed two of the last three presidential elections, and only ever predicts doom and gloom?

He's predicted the Dems to lose every election. If you do that, you are going to pretty much get some of them right because we don't win every single election.


So getting two of the last three wrong is neither in your words "prescient" or "getting it right more than wrong."

It's literally the opposite of both those things.

[brush]

92. Come on, he was a fu_king Naderite in 2000 and said there was no...

difference between Dems and repugs,

He also predicted McCain and Romney would win.

Time to stop the Dem bashing and predicting we'll "most likely" lose the House on Tuesday instead of urge us to get out and vote.

We don't need his Debbie Downer crap.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

55. Prescient? Ask presidents Romney and McCain

or the time he said Bill Clinton was a goner after Monica and wouldn't make it to the end of his term.

His Debbie Downer Nostradamus act finally got one right, thanks to Comey's last minute letter tanking Hillary.

The one Dem Moore didn't downplay was Kerry, and look how far he got.

And Moore's stupid solution for two decades is to run Oprah.

[EffieBlack]

74. He predicts losses in race after race

And when we actually do lose one, people think he's a Nostradamas

[brush]

90. Nah, he was a Naderite against Gore in 2000 and predicted Romney would win.

He also recently said the repugs outsmarted us in 2016 instead of saying they cheated their ass off and had putin and comey help steal the election.

To him it's always the Dems fault.

[renate]

14. He wasn't wrong last time....

I’m still super nervous.

When I think of how cocky and confident I felt two years ago, it really makes me superstitious about this one. Once burned twice shy is probably all it is, but I can see why he doesn’t want a repeat of 2016. That 85% chance sounds really familiar (even though the odds are spread out among many more races for the House than they were for the presidency).

[JI7]

15. he said romney would win

[renate]

17. Oh good!

I didn’t remember that at all!

[brush]

94. He was also a Naderite in 2000 and said there's no diff between parties.

[violetpastille]

25. And Gore and Bush are same. Vote for Nader.

That cat is a desperate, desperate man.

He is in a really nasty, deep money lawsuit with his ex-wife.

He needs cash, badly.

He doesn't care if we vote so much as he cares we go drag our asses to see his film.

I think it's closing out from theaters this week?

Russia if you're listening.

[BannonsLiver]

99. His last movie was a great big flop

So maybe he's fearful that the end of his relevancy has arrived. I sure hope it has.

[Wounded Bear]

18. How well is his new movie doing?

[Agschmid]

20. It's extremely likely it's doing well.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. It isn't.

https://variety.com/2018/film/columns/how-michael-moore-lost-his-audience-fahrenheit-11-9-1202953813/

[sheshe2]

59. I see what you did there.

[Agschmid]

120. Glad somebody did...

[sheshe2]

122. :)

[BannonsLiver]

101. It was a great big flop

Did not "do well" at all.

[Agschmid]

121. The sarcasm of my post may have escaped you?

[BannonsLiver]

123. Yeah it did

Probably because it wasn’t very good sarcasm. Try placing some humor in your next sarcasm post. It’s fun for the reader and is much more interesting.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

56. it basically flopped

and was a nonentity at the box office

[Cha]

64. Good! Maybe if he had made

one that mirrored the reality of what happened in Fucking 2016.. more people might have wanted to check it out.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. What's the basis for his opinion?

[obamanut2012]

36. The poor box office his movie is having

He wants $$$/PR.

My mother called me panicking because of this. She and my father are literally THIS CLOSE to moving to Canada. They have enough money that, even at their age, the Canadian gov't would let them in. She was half crying, and said why should she even vote if the fix is in, and MM is an insider and knows stuff.

I think he is 100% mistaken, but what he is doing is repressing the D vote.

[2naSalit]

27. Huh.

I saw that interview and I didn't see it that way at all.

[dameatball]

29. He is starting to remind me of Geraldo Rivera.But I hope I am wrong.

[Mike Nelson]

32. He's trying...

… to get Democrats and Independents off the couch! He was very clear... we've got the voters to win - we better get it done.

[obamanut2012]

38. It is doing the opposite

My mother called me panicking because of this. She and my father are literally THIS CLOSE to moving to Canada. They have enough money that, even at their age, the Canadian gov't would let them in. She was half crying, and said why should she even vote if the fix is in, and MM is an insider and knows stuff.

I think he is 100% mistaken, but what he is doing is repressing the D vote.

The only liberal voters would need to be provoked into voting this time are the same demographic as always, the 18-19 year olds, and this? This will make them shrug and not do it.

[shanny]

35. oh FFS

this again?

[Quixote1818]

44. Agree

[Gothmog]

39. I refuse to watch Moore

He is not interesting which is why his movie flopped at the box office

[Leith]

46. Oh Dear

Some very familiar names are doing it again: smearing one of our own and throwing the hate on thick and fast. It's a damn shame and we DUers should know better than pull this kinda shit and even worse for some of us to fall for it.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

50. He isnt "one of our own"

He actively works against Dems. See also: 2000.

[Leith]

57. I Have Followed His Career from Before He Graduated from High School

I knew several people who were in Roger & Me. I was in Flint when the movie was being filmed. I don't need anyone to tell me who Michael Moore is.

[John Fante]

65. Apparently you do because he's no friend of the Democrats.

He equated Al Gore to Dubya and cast his vote for Nader FFS. He's basically a Bernie Brah with an enormous bank balance.

[BannonsLiver]

104. There are people here who have literally no problem with anything you mentioned above.

I'm definitely not one of them, but there are folks out there, that despite endless amounts of evidence that they have made bad choices, just can't or won't get it.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

95. Funny - I know lefty folks in Flint who loathe him

And said he filmed R&M under pretenses it was about organizing around the layoffs,but turned the movie into the Michael Moore Show and left local organizers out of the story.

He's always been a grandstanding ass.

[BannonsLiver]

102. Roger and Me was 30 years ago. People change. Live in the present.

[Cha]

62. He's one of your own. You don't speak for me.

Michael Moore smears himself with his propaganda against the Democratic Party.

These "very familiar names" you see are proud Democrats and Activists who don't think like you do.

They are my own.. The Democratic Party.

MM tells you to "embrace trump".. have fun with that..

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

But, M.Moore also says trump is like "hitler".. so why should we "embrace" hitler? Or the fucking moron?

"In new film, Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler. And he's not so crazy about Obama, either."

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

[John Fante]

68. We can safely put Moore in the "phony progressive" category.

He's in the same boat as Cenk, Jimmy Dore, Susan, and the late Ed Schultz.

That last quote clinched it for me. Disgusting.

[Cha]

71. Yes We Can.. I've had him

there a long time.

[violetpastille]

78. I'm not into smearing Democrats, but MM is not a Democrat.

He's an Independent.

[BannonsLiver]

100. He's not one of our own. This isn't 1992.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

48. His latest film was basically "Bernie or Bust: The Movie"

And repeated the canard and insinuation that the nomination was "stolen" from Sanders by superdelegates at the convention, despite Clinton getting more delegates and millions more votes.

And all his bashing of Clinton and Obama for not being progressive enough was countered with his loving embrace of Richard Ojeda here in West Virginia, an anti-choice, rightwing conservacrat who endorsed Trump, repeated GOP smears, bashed immigrants and scapegoating refugees.


Moore clearly wants a Democratic loss, because then he gets two more years of media booking to lecture us on why Dems can't win. And he gets to pretend he has some kind of insight, despite predicting President Romney and President McCain.

[Cha]

70. Moore predicted McCain would win, too?

Jesus.. so he gets one right and he's some kind of seer?

He's not even into reality.. him and his anti-Democratic propaganda.. not even mentioning putin's war on America.. pesky details he sweeps under his magic carpet.

So glad his BS propaganda bombed.

[John Fante]

58. Make no mistake, this isn't reverse psychology.

It's wishful thinking.

[still_one]

72. MM is back to his green party bullshit when he said a vote for Gore is a vote for bush. MM has

made himself irrelevent


He never misses an opportunity to demoralize or dis Democrats, and again he is doing it just before a critical election


However, what his self-indulgence is unaware is that people are getting real tire of his same old schtick

Let Moore live on his Gloom and doom while we VOTE

[betsuni]

81. I just heard him call Trump an evil genius again on MSNBC.

[Cha]

93. Yeah, Moore.. trump is a fucking "genius"

Link to tweet

You also said to "embrace trump"

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

[betsuni]

96. I can't forgive him for still spreading the lie that

the DNC rigged an election. This has convinced people not to vote for Democrats, that both sides, the whole system, is corrupt. And still claiming that Trump voters are poor downtrodden people just wanting to blow up the unfair system when in reality the median annual income of the Trump supporter is $72,000. Those people want the system right where it is, just want a tax break and nationalism.

[Cha]

106. Exactly.. it's an absolute heinous LIE..

that is the bottom line. And, he knows this and spreading it anyway.

And, more Lies.. So grateful his stupid 2016 doc failed.

[Wintryjade]

108. "I think we have to embrace Trump," I think Moore is full of shit and NO,

I do not think I will be "embracing" Trump. Moore is a Nadarite, that then became a Steiny. Him and Sarandon, rah.

[YessirAtsaFact]

83. Michael Moore helped George W Bush become president. Fuck him now and forever

Who cares about his opinion regarding the house and senate. He makes movies, he's not a pollster.

[Me.]

84. Pitch

[katmondoo]

88. I am here on DU because I want to get away from Michael Moore

I tried changing channels but every channel is a bore, so I am here with my friends

[mtnsnake]

89. He hasn't gotten much attention lately

so this is probably his attempt at getting himself back in the news.

[RandySF]

103. He needs us to lose so he can state relevant.

[bobGandolf]

110. Nothing wrong with Moore in my opinion.

I am trying not to listen to all the lies spewing, like ash from a volcano, in the final push to election day. Republicans mainly.

[oasis]

116. I'm taking a victory lap. Michael Moore can take a hike. nt

[bobGandolf]

111. Nothing wrong with Moore in my opinion.

I am trying not to listen to all the lies spewing, like ash from a volcano, in the final push to election day. Republicans mainly.

[Demsrule86]

117. I do think he is pointing out how the GOP is trying to win in a handful of states as they did in 16.

Don't think it will work...but I can understand his concern...I find Moore annoying and he is wrong as often as he is right..but he has a point.

[nutsnberries]

118. forewarned is forearmed.

that's what i hear there. what's the problem?

[OBrien]

124. His knickers are twisted up his ass. nt

[Bigredhunk]

125. -

Why do you think his movies don't do well anymore? Conservatives have always hated him. Now many liberals dislike him too. It's not like a Douchesoozle movie, where all the rightards like it. Moore used to have the support of the left...maybe 15 years ago. He lost a lot of people (including me). I had a # of chances to see his latest movie. My local AMC even brought it back last week after getting rid of it. No chance.

[DinahMoeHum]

126. So he predicted Trump in 2016. Big fucking deal.

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then.

[Runningdawg]

127. He's turning into

That crazy uncle no one wants to sit next to at Thanksgiving.