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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWas anyone surprised by the number of people that voted for Trump and the Republicans?
They seemed to be as enthused about voting as did the Democrats. Many seemed to be following the orders of their Leader, the Trump?
Did you think the long lines were an indication of Democratic Party dominance? Did you think Beto was going to defeat Ted Cruz?
No doubt, the Democrats had a good night by taking over the House, but did you expect a little more because of the huge turnout?
Obviously, we cannot deny the support and loyalty that these Republicans hold for Donald Trump. That is a reality we may have questioned before yesterday?
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Freedomofspeech
(4,223 posts)Hard to believe there are so many vile, disgusting people who love him.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)to cleaning up the mess. Lots of opportunity in 2020
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)We keep thinking that Trump's base will turn against him or lose interest, but they won't. An authoritarian populist gets power by whipping up negative emotions. People like the negative emotions. They get a rush that they can't get any other way.
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Meowmee
(5,164 posts)But I was grateful for the house. We did think though that the large amount of R early votes could be bad. I am very upset by my own district results. This is a bad sign that fascism is here to stay for now. However, the senate is not a democracy.
Afromania
(2,768 posts)Just my opinion but I have the feeling this is going to be a case in point for gerrymandering and voter suppression once this is all done.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)and Florida
RobinA
(9,888 posts)the Philadelphia burbs, the vote was surprisingly positive for Dems. I live in a newly de-gerrymandered district and my jaw dropped at the margin. Not only for this new district, but in most surrounding it. My pre-gerrymander district was always Repub - back before they were crazy. It has been moving blue, but I generally consider it purple. This time the turnout was big and it was bluer than blue. I dont expect it will stay quite that blue post-Trump, but this time it went well for Dems.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)I assumed that the Country would "auto correct" itself in 2020. I no longer think that is a given. Traitor don is going to be harder to defeat than I thought.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)That is my plan right now, identical to 1984 with Reagan. I don't see Trump being defeated and I don't want to suffer through a year or more of false hope.
Incumbency is a monumental advantage. Trump is in the most favorable situation imaginable, as an incumbent whose party has been in power only one term. Once any Republican was elected in 2016 we had to acknowledge the likelihood that it would cover two terms. I am not an Adjuster so I stay loyal to that foundational trend, even if Donald Trump is scum.
Also here in Florida I am not going to kid myself. Ron DeSantis as incumbent will most likely be re-elected in 2022. That's the way these things work.
However, if I had to recommend one Democratic challenger for 2020 it would be Amy Klobuchar. I was easily more impressed with her than any other Democratic senator during the Kavanuagh hearings. She had the ideal blend of sharp questioning but also patience and reasonable friendly tone. I think Trump would be very hard pressed to rattle Klobuchar or to twist her to something she is not. She also represents an important region, one we desperately need to regain.
Last night Klobuchar managed amazing percentages in counties that normally don't support a Democrat to anything close to that degree. IMO, it was the most impressive Democratic performance of the night along those lines, although seemingly nobody noticed.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)She is very impressive.
David__77
(23,372 posts)I think that Trump was smart to highly target his rural and white chauvinist supporters with nationalist politics. The problem for Trump is that that group is limited in size and potential. I do think that Democrats need more political cohesion and a more definite program (that can be conveyed with a few simple slogans), as well as personalities who are effective candidates communicating that program.
Coventina
(27,115 posts)I've come to the conclusion that this country is not what I thought it was.
I've come to hate and fear my fellow citizens.
this is the worst thing about the whole Trump debacle. I thought there was a line we, as a country, wouldnt cross. Trump crossed it during the campaign, but it didnt matter.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)and am surrounded by like-thinking Dems, and it is a cold slap in the face when I must acknowledge the support behind this moron.
Thank heavens the Dems came out to vote as they did. It would have been a slaughter otherwise.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)sfwriter
(3,032 posts)An old Russian Jewish lady was fitting my glasses today and we talked politics briefly. She ended by saying The American people have scared me very much.
The Stupid, it is very deep in Red Country.
MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)After losing many former democratic friends to Trump, I no longer underestimate his appeal. I think a lot if it is the rich guy mystique (some people equate personal wealth with intelligence with respect to the larger economy). There is also the Dad-is-in-charge fantasy. I also indulge in that fantasy ... its just that I see this as dad is drunk, stole a car and is going on a crime spree. There is nothing comforting about this guy, yet people I know and once respected, like to see good things in him. I cannot account for his appeal, but Im no longer surprised.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)I'm looking around at my neighbors, knowing that a bunch of them support Trump and his team... after 2 years of knowing what he is like... I didn't expect a huge turnaround, but I did expect more than we got. I also expected a Democratic Governor in Ohio, but that failed.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)I live in a very red part of the country, and have some very Republican family members. I think I have a pretty good idea of how the right wing mind works. We are talking about people who are, let's face it, cult members. These are people who are addicted to right wing hate radio and FAUX news. They will do whatever their Precious, their true god, Donald Trump bids, and will crawl over glass to do it.
Though unsurprised about it, I am thoroughly disgusted with it. These idiots are so driven by hate and fear that they will even vote themselves into permanent poverty if it means members of minority groups are harmed.
Celerity
(43,335 posts)a non white would have their arm cleaved off.
LBJ in 1960, 35 years before I was born, knew this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/
KT2000
(20,577 posts)of frump across the board.
Relieved and happy we got the House. The closeness tells me there are a lot of people in this country who embrace all the awful things frump represents.
LoverofDawgz
(71 posts)But then I am in "flyover country" in the Midwest and I've seen this scene before. All the blue wave talk and talk of Democratic turnover motivates Harvey and Martha Kettle in the rural districts to also turn out in droves and prevent the Godless liberals from running government. And they've got a lot more time to vote, don't have to drive to inconvenient places and wait in long lines either.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)regardless of Trump. Elections haven't been blowouts in recent years -- they're tight. And look at Florida. Two old white men -- Nelson (D) and Scott (R) -- are neck and neck. Gillum (D) barely lost to DeSantis (White Supremacist).
I hoped Beto would defeat Cruz, but come on, it's Texas. He ran a great campaign and did come close, though. We'll hear more from him.
I went in to last night expecting the House, worried about the Senate, and hopeful about the downticket races. THANK YOU PENNSYLVANIA AND VIRGINIA!
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I emphasized that here and elsewhere. It was simple to decipher by analyzing a few basic variables.
Trump is a cult. That is first and foremost. His devotees weren't going to shove him through a 16-man primary pool and upset of Hillary, and then abandon him in a midterm. No chance. I remember driving north on the start of a trip on the day after the election in 2016. The right wing radio hosts were weeping and proclaiming Trump over Hillary as a gift from god. When you have a gift from god you aren't going to betray him and vote for Democrats two years later. Also, a vote is a vote. Strongly favorable or somewhat favorable are the same thing. Texans didn't favor Beto strongly but a vote is a vote.
Beyond that, Republicans have an easy target right now...all the rural areas with non-voters or underperforming voters. It is much easier to visit or call or send mail to those isolated homes in state after state than it is to round up urban voters and get them registered and involved. I have read articles along these lines, that a few Republican canvassers are assigned to one small town and cover it in a day or two, and then move onto the next small rural town.
We are in the infancy of Republicans maximizing their rural supporters.
My advantage in these areas is that I am not a Happy Adjuster. The Happy Adjuster mindset is prone to err along these lines, because you want everything to fit your bias and anything that does fit the bias is multiplied to preposterous level. As always, when making forecasts I would always caution to totally ignore today, and totally ignore the Adjuster mode. It will only lead astray.
The other myth on this site and other progressive sites was that the senate was in play. Again, along those lines it was far more astute to ignore polling and ignore Adjuster mode and ignore a so-called wave and go back to the beginning, when this senate cycle was logically evaluated as one land mine after another, with -5 the over/under in a balanced cycle. Everything tends to drift back to the beginning.
harumph
(1,898 posts)I'm a white male (4th gen democrat) living in Texas - but clearly naive about the extent of the fear and
racism. Most of the folks I hang out with are Anglo Dems as well. Quite a few of us in the
urban areas. My whiteness allows me to visit rural areas without being accosted. I have no
bumper stickers on my vehicle. My whiteness also allows me to "overhear" the kinds of shit
other white people say. Sometimes (not always) I will say something "reasonable" to try and
get people to actually think about what they're saying. They look at me as if to say,
"He hasn't been assimilated - we have to watch this one..."
Problem is...they've been fed such bullshit for so long from right wing radio and from their churches - and it's self-reinforcing.
They totally believe they're victims of some mysterious cabal (and Mexicans of course).
Unless they're writing a check to me - I'm afraid
I've got no time to attempt rehabilitation.
fierywoman
(7,683 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)Polybius
(15,390 posts)He's very good at one thing, igniting his crazy followers to vote. I will not under-estimate him in 2020. For the love of God, I hope we don't see any "thank you for your concern" replies when people express caution that he could win a particular state, or that a poll is close. These snark replies were all over the place in the moths leading to Election Day 2016.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,491 posts)Like a carnival barker, he knows just how to play the rubes.
Its more than a little scary. Theyre truly a cult.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)how they were played?
BlueTsunami2018
(3,491 posts)You know whats next, right?
The economy is going to slow, theyll blame the Democrats, the idiots will believe them and rinse and repeat.
Theyll never get it.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)Or something like that?
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)EleanorR
(2,391 posts)It's just the fearful and feeble-minded toeing the line as usual, combined with the now common republican ratfucking. Nothing special.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)andym
(5,443 posts)Many (most?) people are not true believers in either party. but vote on a one or a few issues or concerns, or even without much thought at all. They don't carefully follow the news closely and only have a vague sense about what is happening with the President. On top of that Fox News is responsible for at least a 6% skew (as of 2008) toward the GOP according to a study from Stanford-- probably a lot more by now.(https://web.stanford.edu/~ayurukog/cable_news.pdf).
On top of that conservatives and Trump have a very loyal and rabid base to build from, as well as evangelicals who are one issue voters (anti-abortion rights), etc.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)There were some people that voted Trump in '16 that probably now regret it (at least in the upper Midwest), but those who are still backing Trump are part Trump death cult and have drunk the Kool-Aid. They are a lost cause IMO.
It's now about turning out Democrats and swaying new voters + current non-voters.
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)Greg Stanton won my district, easily with 60% of the vote, which is a miracle considering Russell Pierce (author of SB1070) was my Congressman who couldn't lose less than a decade ago. My neighbors must be getting more Progressive.
Krysten Sinema could still flip Flake's Seat. The Senate race here is still too close to call with over 600,000 votes that still need to be counted in Maricopa County, which leans toward Sinema. She's only less than 3000 votes behind right now, so she could very well win.
MikeMa2
(15 posts)kurtcagle
(1,602 posts)On the other hand, it's worth noting that between gerrymandering, voter suppression, intimidation and dirty tricks, the odds were stacked against the Dems from the start, and yes, Trump is, if nothing else, a superb salesman. Narcissists almost always are. They are so good at it because they have no real compunction about swindling people, and so long as they are able to leave town faster than the marks, then they've succeeded.
I have a business partner who's a Trump supporter (we generally avoid talking politics). He doesn't always understand the technology that I create, but he's good at selling it, because he makes it sound far more important than it really is. If you take a look at the people who support Trump, what you see are a lot of people who are like him, but at a smaller scale - they're sales and marketing people, for the most part, people who look good in suits and in general live on the basis of commissions and bonuses. They also tend to be conformists, and to be perfectly honest are disturbingly easy to manipulate, because what they generally don't like are threats to their status quo.
In the typical Republican mindset, hierarchy is the norm - everyone has a place in society, and a successful life is identified by climbing that hierarchy. Your status is predicated in great part by your net worth, and the networks that you travel in, so necessary to advancing the rungs of the ladder, also tend to limit who you interact with. I don't think that they are actually all that actively racist; in general, it's a passive racism that is borne by the the reactions of others within their social circle.
Democrats are outsiders, and as such they are perceived as a threat. Threats aren't human. Many Democrats are intellectual professionals - programmers, scientists, teachers, librarians, academics, engineers, authors, psychologists, analysts, print journalists . The image that most Republicans have of a Democrat is someone who is a lesbian professor of women's studies, or a gay metrosexual fashion designer in New York. In other words, Democrats are non-conformists, and as such, associating with them may very well lower the status of a good Republican man or woman in their various circles.
I love Governor Kate Brown of Oregon. She's quirky and takes a genuine delight in her job. She's hated by the right because she is near the top of her hierarchy and frankly doesn't give a damn - she does the job because its the job she thinks needs doing, and she's pretty effective, but she challenges the status quo simply by her existence.
That's not going to change. I think there are enough people who are getting nervous about Trump that the Independents broke more than expected for the Democrats this time around, but I suspect that the number of people who would be considered Liberal Democrats makes up about 28% of the population, though that number is swelled by other "outsiders" such as immigrant groups, African Americans, non-Orthodox Jews, many Latino groups, Asians and Muslims, though even there I think that conformist vs. non-comformist division cuts pretty deep.
So, I think the Midterms energized the Democrats, but it also revealed an upper bound about the size and influence of Democrats that we should examine very carefully.
lancelyons
(988 posts)We have many millions of people who absolutely hate and despise liberals and lefties. They will do anything to make things worse or uncomfortable for liberals. People need to understand that before it's too late
wishstar
(5,269 posts)Not a singe Repub- voting person in my orbit regrets their vote for Trump or has shown any concern about his corruptness, dishonesty, divisiveness or his insults and attacks or any of his policies. Instead they have said they would vote all Repub to protect and enable him.
ooky
(8,922 posts)I think a lot of people just don't know what they are voting for. I want to think this, rather than think that so many people would vote for Trump knowing what they are voting for.