Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hits back at Fox News

[melman]

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[ck4829]

1. K&R

[pdsimdars]

12. She's the kind of Democrat we need.

Pushing back simply and plainly without political double speak

[ck4829]

100. She is

[MariaCSR]

113. DAmn right.

[genxlib]

2. She could just do it the republican way

Get a lobbyist to rent her a place way below market value.

[Power 2 the People]

33. +1

[ProfessorGAC]

105. Nope

Those perks only go to the scumbags stealing from the government that already have 100 million bucks.

Already rich, enriching themselves at taxpayer expense and making side deals to get cheap rent. She doesn't qualify because she isn't super rich.

So, ain't nobody giving her that sort of sweetheart deal.

Too bad it ain't the other way around. "Hey, you can afford it freeloader, go get yourself a house in Georgetown!" is what should be told to those scumbags.

[Tom Rivers]

3. GOOD!

That segment was ridiculous, embarrassing, and completely out of touch. Par the course for Fox, but so glad we finally have some progressive champions who have experienced life struggles and aren't afraid to fight back and defend their valid experiences against these Faux News cretins.

[Geechie]

4. OTOH...

It is gratifying to see Judith Miller laboring in hell.

[luvallpeeps]

44. ya know?

[nini]

5. I wish she wouldn't play their game

Ignore those assholes and focus on the job she was elected to do.


And that applies to any Democratic politician - don't allow them to distract anymore.

[melman]

8. I disagree

One of the best things about her is she never lets this shit go unanswered. Always shoves it right back in their faces.

That is the thing to do. Not ignore them.

[nini]

10. I understand.. but Fox loves it

There's line there you have to straddle with those fascists.

[melman]

13. I don't think they do

They love being able to just make it about 'oh isn't she dumb, she didn't plan ahead' or whatever.


they don't love this: "It is bizarre to see 1%-salaried anchors laugh at the US housing crisis."


She's not letting them keep it personal or saying stop being mean to me, she's highlighting the real issue. It's a smart way to respond.

[George II]

19. I wouldn't exactly think someone with a $174,000 a year salary and over $1M expenses....

....allowance to be a victim of the US housing crisis.

[Caliman73]

22. She doesn't have it yet.

Ocasio-Cortez has just landed the opportunity of a lifetime. She will be making a ton more money than she ever has. She is not there yet and prior to this she was just a work a day person.

What she said was her truth. She cannot up and move to Washington DC like many people in the House and Senate because she is not currently rich. She will be joining the upper income brackets but she is not there yet.

Her response to Fox was a good one and though most Fox Viewers are mindless idiots, maybe some will see that she is way more like them in life experience than the idiot TV personalities who are making fun of her and their own viewers.

[George II]

23. Her first month's pay will be $14,500. One would think that someone who now....

....has a guaranteed $174K a year salary could get a short-term loan, especially since she owns a coop in New York City (and just recently sold a Westchester house).

When I first moved out after college ($10,000 a year salary as an engineer many years ago) I got a loan to establish myself.

[Caliman73]

24. So then no slack...? What she said was nonsense?

Yeah, she can get a loan. She can do a number of things that a great many politicians do when they land their federal gig. She can as someone said, get a lobbyist to give her a sweet heart deal on a spot. Maybe she doesn't want to go into debt right away. Maybe she already has debt and doesn't want to add to it. Maybe she has bad credit and wouldn't qualify for anything but a high rate loan. We don't know.

She said, truthfully, that she can't afford to get a place right now. She, unlike a lot of people going who got elected, especially from the Republican side, is not already rich.

I am not understanding the push back on this?

[ZeroSomeBrains]

26. She doesn't get the money right away

She has to wait until the third month to get the paycheck. That's the issue.

[SMC22307]

34. Stop attacking one of our own and realize everyone is not you.

None of us have any idea as to her overall financial situation. Focus on the fools at FUX trashing working class people -- THAT is the issue. Focus on the fact that many Americans can no longer afford to actually live in many American cities. Housing costs are out of control with no end in sight. Public servants, teachers, cops, firefighters, etc. have ridiculously long commutes in many areas because they cannot afford to live close in. That's a problem.

[George II]

36. Who is "attacking"? How?

[SMC22307]

41. You're mocking her and it needs to stop.

We live every day with Drumpf mocking, well, pretty everyone and it's not healthy. Let's not mock a newly represented Democratic representative... wish her and her constituents well.

[George II]

49. Okay, we've moved one step further..........HOW am I "mocking" her?

[R B Garr]

55. I'm still curious how she paid for all that travel to promote

the Revolution candidates the last few months. I only mention that because of her own words about being too broke to move to DC. Maybe there were articles about who funded her but I missed it. Something about Justice Democrats...maybe they paid for her travel.

[disillusioned73]

106. I am sure faux news looked into it for you..

and if there was any funny business you would have heard about it...

sidenote; I love how AOC gets under the rights skin.. it is fantastic..

[R B Garr]

111. Reality is it looked like Fox News got under Cortez's skin, which

is why she answered them. If it were me, I wouldn’t have even bothered with them.

[Power 2 the People]

39. +1000

So surprised and disappointed by the backhanded shade being thrown at a Democrat by some members of this board. I was hoping it would end after she won. Apparently not. I expect it from Fox but not from fellow Democrats. We should be supporting her and all Democrats when they are attacked.

[SMC22307]

42. "Backhanded shade" -- that's exactly what it is!

Jesus, we take the fucking house and some still feel the need to grind on AOC. Let it go, people, FORWARD!

[R B Garr]

56. Oh! Love to see this!

“We should be supporting her and all Democrats when they are attacked,”.

Yes! Looking forward to the last part especially... The attacks on my Senator, Feinstein, for instance.

[disillusioned73]

107. You have higher expectations than I..

this is exactly what DU has become..

[Ninsianna]

92. She said something dumb and Fux attacked her.

That's the problem with Twitter. She's making this into something else and helping Fix to.do so. There is affirdable short term housing near the capital. If she needed help finding housing, there are numerous sources she could seek out. It seems that was not her goal.

[SMC22307]

98. You're missing the point as well.

She'll be without a paycheck for three months. Explain to all of us how a working class American can afford rent and/or mortgage in two of America's most expensive cities -- DC and NY -- with no income for three months. Average rent for a one-bedroom in DC is $2K/month. She'll also need to pony up deposits, perhaps first and last months' rent. What 20-something has that kind of coin lying around?

[Ninsianna]

121. Seems like you're the one missing the point.

Well, amazingly working class Americans don't usually buy second homes, so mortgage is not an issue, and affording rent is something that working class Americans and congress people somehow figure out.

She owns her home in NY. Um, most people in DC are not renting luxury apartments in the heart of DC, so perhaps you'd like to explain to working class Americans who live in DC and its bedroom communities that their lives don't exist?

Amazingly 20 somethings manage to do this every day, perhaps the great BA degree holder in economics could figure out how real people, including those much younger and in line for smaller paychecks somehow manage? I mean, she's hiring staff and will be employing people who make far less than she does, yet somehow those people will manage to find a roof over their heads.

Granted it won't be luxury one bedroom apartments for a few months, but amazingly actual young people working on the Hill do it, why cannot Alexandria? Perhaps all of you who are so puzzled could, I don't know, put on the thinking caps and puzzle out how 20 somethings manage with far fewer resources than the newly elected Representative who owns property in such an expensive area?

Also, where was her paycheck coming from all this time? Will JD not cut her a check for a few months? They were paying for her travel and all that stuff she was doing while she should have been in her district seeking votes.

ETA:
I'm on a FB page with people who work in DC and are younger political peeps and finding a sublet, a roomie or whatever in DC is not exactly difficult. I mean, I guess people who don't know how reality works need this explained to them, but amazingly people far younger, and far poorer than AOC somehow manage, I'm sure she'll be fine, til she gets her far from working class paycheck, which for a single woman with no family or kids, goes a pretty long way.

Other people in Congress also bunk in their offices where they have access to the necessary requirements if their financial situation is difficult. AOC's is not as bad as she's pretending, but it's nice that she and the RWers are in agreement about realities that she didn't give a second thought to while she was bidding her defeated opponent to adjust his living arrangements to her demands.

[disillusioned73]

108. "She said something dumb"

really???

I think it was quite astute.. and highlights what Washington has become, and where a lot of our current problems stem from...

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If you ain't got it, you're not welcome in the club... and ppl here on DU agree with faux news?? This is nutzz.... but expected...

[Ninsianna]

122. Yes, really.

It wasn't astutte, it highlights how people start changing their tune when they're personally inconvenienced and our current problems stem from people who are free with the criticism until they're personally affected.

AOC is literally in the same spot so many in the club are in, and yes there are people here who do agree with their favorite station, when it comes to attacking Democrats, and yes it's nuts and yes it's expected. Attacking actual Democrats is a blood sport and many here enjoy it.

[roody]

70. She can also stay in a hostel in D.C.

I'm sure she knows that.

[Ninsianna]

93. or she could seek housing outside of DC, and obtain an understanding of the metro system.

[jg10003]

28. $174k for a home in both DC & NYC is not a lot

[George II]

35. That's $174K a year. Rent for a one-bedroom apartment in....

...a luxury high rise apartment building within walking distance of the Capitol is about $1700 a month (on a $14500 a month salary).

[SMC22307]

46. Not quite.

https://www.zillow.com/capitol-hill-washington-dc/apartments/

And there's the issue of where on Capitol Hill the apartment is, security, etc.

AOC hasn't collected her congressional paycheck yet -- not sure why you're ignoring that little tidbit.

[George II]

52. How about this (btw, I was wrong, not $1700, actually $1871, which is 1/7 monthly salary, sorry):

Parc Riverside
1011 1st Street SE

1 bedroom, with parking, roof top deck and pool, clubhouse, etc. - $1871 per month. Check out the photographs and amenities. 5 blocks from the Capitol.

https://www.apartmentlist.com/light_cycle?code=R1

[SMC22307]

68. Per rentjungle, the average rent in DC for a 1-bedroom apartment is $2086/mo.

"I have three months without a salary before I’m a member of Congress. So, how do I get an apartment? Those little things are very real," she told the New York Times. “We’re kind of just dealing with the logistics of it day by day, but I’ve really been just kind of squirreling away and then hoping that gets me to January.”

Are you deliberately missing the point? Not many Americans, let alone 20-somethings, can afford to maintain homes in two of America's most expensive cities. AOC isn't saying she can't afford DC once she gets paid, so stop trying to suggest that she is. Perhaps you're well off and don't understand how others live? We talk about conservatives lacking empathy... seems there's a lot to go around.

[Ninsianna]

94. it's amazing that the many college students in DC somehow.manage ro find

Housing in DC, and others have figured out short term housing in an age of Air BnB somehow. She owns her home in NY, and doesn't need to be in DC til January, soooooo....

[Autumn]

63. I'm shocked they haven't suggested she sleep in her office.

This woman is fantastic, she doesn't back off when they throw their shit at her.

[SMC22307]

69. Exactly, I love that she flings it back in their faces.

We know what all this kvetching is about, but you'd HOPE that after the tremendous victories on Tuesday folks would just let it go. I mean, we've reached "Al Gore lives in a big house" territory with this DC rent thing. It's ridiculous. Try maintaining two homes people - in DC and NY! Clueless.

[jg10003]

57. 14,500 gross. federal, DC, & NY taxes. Other

Deductions. also housing in NYC.

[George II]

58. Huh? She and her mother have owned that coop in NYC for a long time (not a rental)....

....there's no mortgage, and NYC property taxes are surprisingly lower than people think due to the magnitude of commercial property (believe me. I grew up in NYC) - much lower than surrounding areas - Long Island and Westchester. And they recently sold their home in affluent Yorktown Heights (Westchester) for who knows how much.

I'm not crying, as I've said elsewhere, I wish I had such financial problems when I was 29 years old.

I don't begrudge her anything, but at the same time spare me with the moaning and groaning about "poverty" when one is embarking on a career at 29 years old which is paying $174K per year (more than double my highest salary after 45 years of work)

This is someone who is now charged with legislating and governing a nation of 330+ million people of all walks of life?

[melman]

59. Unreal

A Democratic representative is talking about income inequality and lack of affordable housing, and you say "spare me with the moaning and groaning about "poverty""? Unreal!

[George II]

62. That is not what she was talking about in this instance.

[melman]

77. Yes it is

Read the tweets.

[George II]

78. I did.

[melman]

86. Okay

Then you know that's what she was talking about.


btw, how is it that you think she gets all the money from the sale of her family's home, and that she can use the " over $1M expenses allowance" for rent? Just wondering because you've said both of these things and neither really makes sense.

[progressoid]

74. "I don't begrudge her anything"

Wow. Perhaps you should re-read your other posts then. Seems to be a lot of begrudging.

[George II]

75. Example?

[obamanut2012]

83. hahaha not even close

1700 by the Capitol in DC lolololololol

[George II]

84. Did you see the link I posted (and corrected it to $1870)?

Here it is again:

Parc Riverside
1011 1st Street SE

1 bedroom, with parking, roof top deck and pool, clubhouse, etc. - $1871 per month. Check out the photographs and amenities. 5 blocks from the Capitol.

https://www.apartmentlist.com/light_cycle?code=R1

Find the location on Google maps.

[melman]

38. Okay

That's terrific. Nice to know.


But the point is, there's a larger issue here. A very important one. And it's great that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is not letting them make it specifically about her, because as much as Fox and others might want it to be....it's not.

[obamanut2012]

82. She makes $24,000 a year

You cannot rent in DC on that.

She does not make 174k a year, nor have an expense account.

[HopeAgain]

101. ????

[Iggo]

18. They're in power because we ignored them.

[ck4829]

99. Indeed

[SMC22307]

31. Income inequality is not a "distraction."

Working class Americans no longer being able to afford many American cities is not a "distraction."

And it's 'Democratic' politician, nini… what game are you playing?

[nini]

40. I didn't say the 'issue' was a distraction at all

I said the engaging with the propaganda machine is what they want.


Typo on the Democratic thing.. I'll fix it. thanks

[SMC22307]

47. Ignoring the propaganda is what they want.

It needs to be swiftly shot down and AOC seems to be rather good at it.

[disillusioned73]

109. Yes she is..

I think that is exactly why her opponents want her to STFU.. sit in the back & know her place - typical

[Honeycombe8]

66. I know what you mean.

But after years of going high, when they go low, or ignoring outrageous conspiracy theories & lies, I believe we've seen that the falsehoods take hold, when there's no one speaking loudly to correct them. When we don't speak the truth, all the people hear are the lies and hate-mongering statements.

We can't correct everything, but I think Democrats should start selectively responding publicly to some of the outrageous things that the rightwingers say, so at least there is something else for moderates & Independents to hear. If we don't respond, the inference is that it's true.

It's hard to tell the intentional distracting lies from the real everyday blah-blah-blah lies, but we have to try. She hasn't taken office yet, so responding with a tweet is not taking away from her job.

[nini]

80. Thanks for the calm response :D

I understand where you are coming from also, and don't totally disagree.

[Honeycombe8]

87. :)

[JCanete]

116. No Way...slap them down righteously. Make their arguments look foolish and cruel when they are.

And if that can be accomplished in tweet sized bites? Even better. There is a battle for hearts and minds that is happening. You think that if you let them frame us the way they want to that we will recover from that? That's what democrats did for decades...trying to be the statesemanly faces and voices who don't dignify right-wing attacks or respond. How did that work for Kerry? How did it work for Clinton? I grant you, it worked for Obama...but nobody else is Obama.

[nini]

6. AND.. isn't there a fund of some kind to help her get to DC?

That needs to be addressed too.

[Blue_true]

7. Unfortunately, donating to her for personal expenses would be on the edge.

She is doing things right. Getting an apartment that is decent in DC likely run >$5,000 if just first an a security deposit is required. Some places ask first, last and a returnable security deposit on move out (which they endeavor to keep).

[nini]

11. I was thinking the DNC or something.. but you're right

donations etc.. would put her in bad spot.

[malaise]

9. Tell them sis

Rec

[Lucky Luciano]

14. Go AOC! You represent Yorktown better than Rebekah Mercer!! nt

[rurallib]

21. She and a few others will be the real representatives of about 90% of America.

[littlemissmartypants]

15. Kicking. eom

[volstork]

16. She is a boss.

And she pulls no punches, backing up her statements with facts.

[Stellar]

17. It took them a while to get Obama's name right.

From Osama until maybe a year later to Obama.

[TeamPooka]

20. If there congressional salary was the most money our congressman ever made this will be a much bette

[ZeroSomeBrains]

25. I have a hard time paying bills as well

I'm extremely fiscally responsible but if you make 35k a year in an area with a high standard of living then you have a hard time getting by sometimes. Why would they poor shame a young person like that? I mean I know it's because they're a democrat and that they would would cry rivers of tears if it was a poor white conservative down south.

I love the fight she shows though. Good on her and good luck in Congress!

[elmac]

27. hmmm

[SWBTATTReg]

29. WOW. She is among a lot of ladies that have stood out in this election cycle...all GOOD ones!!

With all of the other good candidates we have out there now and know of (BETO, etc.) who didn't win, they are still there, out in the public awareness and people want them to be their rep in some way or fashion, if they didn't win in this 2018 cycle.

People won't forget those candidates. They want people like Alexandria (won) and BETO (lost). This is a big plus for upcoming election stuff...I feel better now with upcoming possible candidates for a whole slew of offices (and these persons are just two of them I mentioned here, there are lots of them out there, lots of them!).

I am very excited for the future, not just because we got the House of Rep this time around, but a bunch of exciting people for the future. Take care all.

[The Genealogist]

30. Hopefully that shut a yap or two over at FAUX

No doubt they will whine about it, so that Trump can poop out another clunker on the Twitter machine tomorrow morning.

[redstatebluegirl]

32. I love her!

[Power 2 the People]

37. +1000

[MaryMagdaline]

43. Very sharp jabs at these poverty-shamers. Very effective in my opinion

Having a young champion must make her constituents feel good. I am proud she is a democrat. This is who we used to be and can be again.

[bigtree]

48. k&r

[rgbecker]

50. Hah, thanks...just learned that War monger Judith Miller, formerly of NYTimes now on FOX.

Perfect match.

[Wintryjade]

51. Hey, I gotta tell you. I like this punch in the nose. It bloodies.

[dchill]

53. K&R for talking about most of us!

[Qutzupalotl]

54. Okay, I'll admit I was wrong about her.

Her endorsement from Credico set off my radar, but even he appears to have flipped for Mueller.

This is a good long rant. Similar to Bernie’s message, but sounds fresher. Wage stagnation will be a winning issue for 2020.

[MiniMe]

60. And remember, this is a 2nd residence for her

She has to maintain her home in her district also. I would hope there is some sort of assistance where they could match up some of the freshman congress people so they could share a place. If they don't do that, they should.

[Liberal In Texas]

61. I think we are going to really like her. n/t

[Gidney N Cloyd]

64. AOC needs a book deal fast.

[Honeycombe8]

65. Kick. nt

[Hortensis]

67. Fox does us a real favor every time they help another

person realize the big threat to America's wellbeing is fronted by the Republican Party, funded by dark money from the extremely wealthy, and ardently backed by hard-core conservative social and religious extremists. And, of course, Russia, Iran, and so on.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

(Interestingly, I found no Sun Tzu quotes about identifying the enemy to be fought. Apparently a problem incomprehensible to him.)

I like Ocasio's responses, and the more attention she pays to what the Republicans are up to the more I will respect her.

[h2ebits]

72. K & R

Thanks for your well articulated response.

[yardwork]

71. Good for her.

We must fight back against the bullying.

[oldlibdem]

73. You tell em'!

[AlexSFCA]

76. love her

we need more like her on dem side who are fearless, fighters, never hold back, never compramise on values; she is currently closer to voters than 90%+ of all congress. She is tasked with representing her district not the country and she is doing a great job already.

[onetexan]

79. maybe the Obamas or one of the Dems leaders can have her stay @their place for a while till

she's able to find an affordable place to crash till she finds a permanent residence.

Seriously, we need to take care of our own. Alexandria seems to be a great young lady. We need her tenacity and spunk in this party to help with expanding the electorate to young voters.

[Ninsianna]

95. The people she constantly attacks?

[demmiblue]

85. Anyone who disparages this fierce young woman of color...

can just fuck off.

Keep telling the truth, AOC.

[disillusioned73]

110. I am with you there...

this Boricua is done STFU & letting ppl shit on this wonderful women..

[Rob H.]

88. K&R nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

89. Ahh that explains a lot. Lol.

[melman]

90. Yes

lol

[demmiblue]

91. Lol... AOC keeping it 100:

um alexandria ocasio-cortez is literally making instant pot mac n cheese on instagram live and talking about politics and listening to janelle monae on a friday night. this is the representation i am here for!!!!!!! @ocasio2018 never change

Link to tweet

The get off my lawn types:

[HopeAgain]

102. Get off my lawn.

Perfect description of certain types on here.

[MissMillie]

96. I may be kicked out of here for saying this..

...but she needs to take the high road.

She should never--ever--make this about her or her name. Everything she does should be about her constituents.

She should take the "screw Fox News" attitude.

She has a beef, but to air it against Fox News is to give Fox News credibility.

[melman]

97. "She should never--ever--make this about her or her name."

She didn't do that. She did exactly the opposite.

[Bfd]

103. Its like product endorsement.

Money & Media & Fox knows it

[melman]

112. Ah

Interesting post. I was wondering but 'Money and Media' seals it.

[Bfd]

114. Of course, it sealed it for me too.

I remember well when asked why he ran on the 2016 Dem ticket he replied, for "Money and Media".
It is no secret that his words reflect the assumed obvious answer why media presentation is so dominant with his political groups.
Of course they need media to promote their ideology & talking points. And certainly media loves it because viewers watch the drama & media makes money.

Media & Money go hand in hand.
It's not a big revelation to understand.

[melman]

115. No

I'm talking about something different. I was wondering about something and now I know.

[Bfd]

118. Okay mr melman. I have no idea what excited you about money & media but have a nice day anyway.

"Money and Media" is the nature of any business.
I guess that's exciting for some people.

Hello to you too & nice to meet you, sir/mam.

Maybe we can have a convo later since I know quite little about you or your political leanings .

This is an interesting place, to say the least! Later

[melman]

119. Well you see

That phrase used to be used here quite a bit and then for a while it wasn't. And now...well I was wondering. But now I'm not.

[Bfd]

120. ? What phrase? The big business of Money & Media?

It was brought up as a quoted phrase of Sen Sanders on a twitter page I was on this morning.

I agreed with their tweets as to how money & media indeed helped his campaign. Both Media & Sen Sanders benefitted. One for profit & one for political exposure and name recognition.

It appears the case today of Ms Cortez and the attention of a simple meeting with Speaker Pelosi certainly was a benefit to both Media profit & Ms Cortez's political exposure.

Apparently Sen Sander's statement on "Money and Media" some time ago, has not been forgotten among those I follow on Twitter, as it has been referred to in various contexts and again earlier today, after the news about Ms Cortez's meeting became rapid talk everwhere.

Media lives this stuff, it is how they make their money, & Ms Cortez certainly was a beneficialy of that business model.

One takes care of the other in a way.

Is that what you're talking about?

[JCanete]

117. Um...FOX news isn't some marginal outfit. It has credibility with way too many people. This is how

you strip it of credibility...not by letting its narrative stand.

[disillusioned73]

104. K&R for AOC..

she is awesome...