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Looks like Tucker Carlson lied about his door being bashed in: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Nov 2018 OP
At fkrst read I thought it said ... BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #1
I didn't believe that tool in the first place eleny Nov 2018 #2
Huh? manor321 Nov 2018 #3
Way to change the subject. He lied. Kingofalldems Nov 2018 #5
The poster did not change the subject. Blue_true Nov 2018 #12
Yeah, I agree with you. I'd have felt threatened. LisaM Nov 2018 #30
Too bad for him. I have no sympathy. And of course he lied...told those DUer's so Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #42
No, but I would be fine with it being done to them Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #13
If you would not be find having it done to you, Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #15
I'm not a racist, a fascist, or a warmonger Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #17
But you almost certainly something the other side hates. Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #18
And who says it's wrong? You? Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #19
The problem is using a political difference to justify unethical tactics. Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #23
Sometimes, not remaining silent is simply not enough. n/t Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #25
You'll never know if you jump straight to tactics out of the bully's handbook. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #29
We've been dealing with this shit for decades Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #36
Very few people were politically active prior to Trump Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #37
Bullshit. You have no idea how long any of those people who protested at his house have been at this Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #39
I agree. Many people are not clear on right and wrong. harumph Nov 2018 #46
+100, thamks... reACTIONary Nov 2018 #38
I was attacked in a gas station in 08 in Ohio by a rabid GOP ...someone came to my rescue...so spare Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #43
You have even less excuse, then Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #44
Yes Mrsl Toad I do have experience in a true incident...Tuckers was a made up shit as Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #45
How about the threats to Kavanaugh's accuser... tenderfoot Nov 2018 #22
I would feel threatened Politicub Nov 2018 #32
I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tucker Carlson told self-serving, self-pitying lies. RockRaven Nov 2018 #4
Shock and awe ... a RW Media type telling lies? lpbk2713 Nov 2018 #6
Fucker is a vile human being malaise Nov 2018 #7
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Nov 2018 #8
Sorry, protesting Skidmore Nov 2018 #9
Oh come now! You'll ruin the narrative for the disruptors tenderfoot Nov 2018 #10
I stand where I was yesterday. Blue_true Nov 2018 #11
Protesting is fine but Raine Nov 2018 #14
Only protest where it won't inconvenience your target FiveGoodMen Nov 2018 #33
Lying is a FOX family value. allgood33 Nov 2018 #16
Did he file a police report? That's a crime! George II Nov 2018 #20
hmmm elmac Nov 2018 #21
What a shocker. catbyte Nov 2018 #24
Musta missed the story but this is simple, no repuke EVER tells the truth EVER, I thought I Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #26
Do you expect retractions from those who said this was a right wing false flag operation? Kaleva Nov 2018 #27
Both sides are guilty IronLionZion Nov 2018 #28
Where's his victim hat? Politicub Nov 2018 #31
He looks like he's had plastic surgery. Ilsa Nov 2018 #34
Of course, he lied MrScorpio Nov 2018 #35
I didn't believe him in the first place. SweetieD Nov 2018 #40
What's new? Sunsky Nov 2018 #41

eleny

(46,166 posts)
2. I didn't believe that tool in the first place
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:48 PM
Nov 2018

He seems like the type of person who would lie like that. I'm glad the truth came out.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
3. Huh?
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:48 PM
Nov 2018

Are you saying you'd be fine with the proud boys knocking on your door, going back out to the street and chanting "we know where you sleep at night" through a megaphone?

Because that's what this guy is admitting happened.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. The poster did not change the subject.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:27 PM
Nov 2018

Could have chosen a less odorous rightwing group, but the question is perfectly legitimate.

LisaM

(27,808 posts)
30. Yeah, I agree with you. I'd have felt threatened.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:58 PM
Nov 2018

I wouldn't like being told someone knew where I slept at night (particularly since once, many moons ago, I work up to a guy trying to come in my bedroom window).

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
42. Too bad for him. I have no sympathy. And of course he lied...told those DUer's so
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:15 PM
Nov 2018

'concerned' that had that happened there would be arrests. The right to protest trump Tuckers comfort level. And he even lied about this.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
13. No, but I would be fine with it being done to them
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:28 PM
Nov 2018

One of the problems is we're always playing defense with these cretins. I'm okay with going on the offense for a change. People like Tucker and The Proud Boys have done unimaginable harm to our country. I'm okay with them having no safe space to retreat to.

Saying we're just as bad as them when things like this happen only plays into their hands and promotes a false equivalency.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
15. If you would not be find having it done to you,
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:42 PM
Nov 2018

Then it should not be a tactic we're using. And I thinks we should be calling out our own side when we stip out of line.

Refraining from engaging in offensive behavior - and condemning it whenever we see it - is not the same as saying we're just as bad as them.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
17. I'm not a racist, a fascist, or a warmonger
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:49 PM
Nov 2018

Therefore, I've done nothing to deserve it. That is not the case with Tucker or the Proud Boys.

Again, a false equivalency. However, if it ever was done to me, let's just say that those who do it will remember that night for a long, long, time to come.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
18. But you almost certainly something the other side hates.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

For which (if you were in a position similar to Carlson) you would - in their opinion - deserve veiled threats, doxing, and disruption of your private life.

If a tactic is wrong, it is wrong. It doesn't matter who is engaging in it.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
19. And who says it's wrong? You?
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:00 PM
Nov 2018

Maybe letting them have sanctuary where they can rest and come back the next day to inflict new horrors on the world is what's wrong. Knowing what you know now about the Holocaust, would you think it wrong to do this to the Nazis in their early days, before they got as powerful as they did? Would you have said it was wrong for people to do everything in their power to stop fascism dead in its tracks before it could gain a foothold?

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
23. The problem is using a political difference to justify unethical tactics.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:27 PM
Nov 2018

Everything seems justified when you believe you are in the right and that the other side poses a grave danger.

You are aware that Christine Blasey Ford is still unable to return home, and is still receiving death threats as a result of similar tactics directed at her, right?

Kavanaugh's supporters believe that she was politically motivated, and that she committed crimes for which she should be punished by lying under oath against him - and that these things justify threats (veiled or otherwise), doxing, and showing up at her workplace.

This is very similar behavior, directed at someone on our side, for what the other side believes are equally justified reasons.

I'm perfectly fine with being ever-present - quietly standing or walking in front of his home, his workplace, etc. It crosses the line when there are threats (veiled or otherwise - "I know where you sleep at night," and "we'll be back, you won't know when,&quot .

As to the Nazis, there is a considerable distance between remaining silent in the face of evil - and engaging in tactis the Nazis themselves might have used in their early years.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
37. Very few people were politically active prior to Trump
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:42 PM
Nov 2018

So yes - for most people - it is "jumping straight to"

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
39. Bullshit. You have no idea how long any of those people who protested at his house have been at this
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:04 PM
Nov 2018

And don't even pretend you do.

Now I'll repeat my earlier question. Knowing what you know now about the Nazis, would you have faulted people for doing this to them in the early days, before they had a chance to get the death camps running? Because sorry, simply saying, "I would not be silent in the face of evil" is not a good enough answer. It's good to know that you would speak up as millions were dragged away to their enslavement and death, but would you have been willing to do something more than just speak out? Because here's the way I see it, "speaking out" is important, but when faced with a grave and terrible threat, only speaking out is an excuse people use to justify their lack of taking stronger action. 10 million people died the concentration camps. And if that could have been prevented by a few hard core in your face you get no refuge types of resistance fighters not playing by the rules in the early days, I would consider that worth it. If on the other hand, you're willing to sacrifice 10 million people in the name of what consider "decency", then not only do I find that stupid and immoral, but also inherently indecent.

harumph

(1,898 posts)
46. I agree. Many people are not clear on right and wrong.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:21 PM
Nov 2018

As you state very well, the golden rule doesn't apply to nazis and should not apply to nazis.
It's not like anyone is threatening Fucker Carlson's life. Unpleasant - yes.
I'm all for making BAD people feel uncomfortable. These people are B A D.
They rationalize putting kids in cages - cutting food programs - basically murdering
people by reducing medicaid - and if you think they wouldn't build
reeducation camps (or worse) for "liberals" if they had the fucking chance - you're dreaming.
No thanks. I've seen this movie. These are hostile B A D people.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
43. I was attacked in a gas station in 08 in Ohio by a rabid GOP ...someone came to my rescue...so spare
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:18 PM
Nov 2018

me this. I had stickers on my van. Tucker is a liar for Trump. We have free speech and the right to protest too. How many pro-life crazies have picketed doctors and nurses...Tucker made excuses for them...so he has it coming.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
44. You have even less excuse, then
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:06 PM
Nov 2018

You know from first hand experience what it feels like, and you still think it is fine to do that to another human being? so

tenderfoot

(8,426 posts)
22. How about the threats to Kavanaugh's accuser...
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:19 PM
Nov 2018

you down with that?

Because this don't even come close.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
32. I would feel threatened
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:06 PM
Nov 2018

But I'm not in the business of doing things that marginalize and demonize groups of people I don't like. Hopefully that's not something I need to worry about.

The more insidious threats come from Washington policy makers who quietly change our laws to favor the wealthy and white. And, not to mention the risks that African Americans must feel by just driving while black.

So, what happened to Carlson wasn't good. But I don't have a lot of sympathy, honestly.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
4. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tucker Carlson told self-serving, self-pitying lies.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:50 PM
Nov 2018


Anyone who didn't see this coming should wake the f*ck up.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
6. Shock and awe ... a RW Media type telling lies?
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:52 PM
Nov 2018


OMFG. Next thing someone will say there's no Santa Claus.

I'm devastated I tell ya.

malaise

(268,973 posts)
7. Fucker is a vile human being
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:54 PM
Nov 2018

That detestable creep wasn't worth a response.
When he talks about respect or the Con, I laugh because I remembered that low life he sent to Obama's WH.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/daily-caller-reporter-interrupts-obamas-immigration-announcement-in-rose-garden/2012/06/15/gJQAi8hSfV_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.61a477144101


A reporter for a conservative news Web site interrupted President Obama’s announcement of a new immigration policy in the Rose Garden on Friday, drawing a rebuke from the visibly agitated president.

The reporter, who later identified himself as Neil Munro of the Daily Caller, shouted out questions while Obama was explaining that his administration will block deportations of young illegal immigrants. That prompted the president to respond: “Not while I’m speaking.”

At the end of his remarks, however, Obama returned to Mun­ro, who was standing in the press corps area of the manicured lawn outside the West Wing and had asked why Obama’s new policy favored “foreigners over American workers.”

“And the answer to your question, sir — and the next time I’d prefer you let me finish my statements before you ask that question — is this is the right thing to do for the American people,” Obama said, before Munro shouted out again. The president added: “I didn’t ask for an argument. I’m answering your question.”

Obama responded to that racist with class.
Fucker defended the interruption.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
14. Protesting is fine but
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:33 PM
Nov 2018

I can't go for protesting at people's homes. Practically speaking it's a poor tactic and turns people off plus it involves the neighbors who have done nothing, it's just going too far.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
16. Lying is a FOX family value.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:48 PM
Nov 2018

They would have very few viewers if the just told the truth and reported the actual news.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
26. Musta missed the story but this is simple, no repuke EVER tells the truth EVER, I thought I
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:43 PM
Nov 2018

explained that 2 years ago.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
28. Both sides are guilty
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:46 PM
Nov 2018

They were wrong to do this at his home and he was wrong to lie about what happened

Stop making me sound like Trump

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
34. He looks like he's had plastic surgery.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:24 PM
Nov 2018

He used to have a "baby face." But in this pic his face looks thinner with the chin being more pronounced.

I bet Fox got him to change his appearance, like they did with Greta Van Whatever.

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