It is time to take this voter suppression problem to the United Nations. Desperate

[mfcorey1]

action is needed in light of the Pennsylvania ruling. I feel like I am in the 60's again.

[still_one]

1. What they need to do is is get the disenfranchised voters ids and appeal to a higher court

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Un won't do sqwat

[pnwmom]

6. The Supreme Court has already upheld a similar law in Indiana. So good luck with that. n/t

[still_one]

11. That is why they need to pursue getting ids to those who don't have easy access

[nc4bo]

24. If people can't afford a $50 birth certificate, who's going to help them pay? For voting purposes

obtaining any form of ID used to vote should be provided to any and everyone, free of charge.

[still_one]

44. That should be regarded as a poll tax and illegal, but since the courts sre so messed up I would

Suggest we pursue two courses of action. One! the DNC allocates some of their contributions for this, and two go to the courts in an accelerated way

The civil right act made this garbage illegal

[BlueCaliDem]

33. Threaten to declare Martial Law.

Courts are bought and paid for by the Fascists in this country, and these fascists want President Obama OUT.

But he has ONE power they're terrified of: his power to declare a state of emergency and to declare martial law that would suspend all elections until he lifts the declaration.

He doesn't have to do it. Just do as Paulson did - threaten it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

36. Please don't take this the wrong way but --

Please stop saying idiotic things.

[BlueCaliDem]

41. Please don't take this the wrong way, but -

Take your own advice.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

43. Martial law? Really?

If that idea were even mentioned within the WH there wouldn't need to be an election. Try to suggest something useful, achieveable and non-politically suicidal if you really want to help.

[BlueCaliDem]

46. Suppression of democracy (voter suppression anno 2012). Really? YEAH really.

Bush the Lesser reinstated Martial Law in October 2006.

Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."
http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/

Didn't know that? Don't feel badly. NO ONE knew it because NO ONE made a single peep. NO ONE.

So, in your opinion, you believe marching outside in droves against voter suppression in 19 states while the courts are stacked in favor of Fascist America is useful, achievable, and helps to maintain democracy, will do more than just give people like Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Bros a nice laugh, do you? Aw.

Americans LOVE to make fun of the French, and they LOVE war with other countries, but when it's time for the rubber to meet the road, Americans are wusses in heart and soul compared to the French who overthrew their oligarchy in favor of democracy. They understood it takes more than whining about the loss of our rights to make a change.

Dutch saying roughly translated: weak doctors make for stinking wounds. This is what you're advocating. Koch Bros & Co don't conform to our little laws because laws can be changed with the right amount of money.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

47. That's a law, not a declaration of military rule

First of all, I seriously doubt President Obama would even contemplate such a thing.

Second, I don't think the military would contemplate such a thing either.

Third, if anyone did seriously contemplate it (I don't count you a serious) they would be hounded out of whatever office they occupied by congress, the courts, the press and the people.

Since your fantasy is doomed to remain just a fantasy what would your next step be?

[BlueCaliDem]

50. First of all . . . you must've missed the part where I

CLEARLY stated THREATEN TO DECLARE. How could you have miss it? It was in the post title for chrissakes

Second, the sitting president already has the power (duh). Just as Paulson told the Democrats in the House in closed door meetings if they didn't pass TARP they'd declare Martial Law - and got it passed a.s.a.p. - why can't this president threaten with the same stick if states don't drop their voter suppression tactics? Don't believe me? Have a look what Democrat Rep Brad Sherman said on the House floor in October 2008:

Third, yeah, I know it's a fantasy since Americans are too scared of real change to do anything seriously about removing the yoke we have hanging around our necks.

What would my next step be? Well, since marching by the hundreds of thousands only resulted in physical and mental injuries by tax-payer funded riot police with military weapons and nothing else; since courts are actively aiding and abetting Fascist America's birth as we speak, since the majority of Americans are too afraid of real change . . . use the THREAT of Martial Law, just like Bush, to make Corporate America back the eff down. That, too, was made clear in my original post, and again, I'm sorry you missed it.

[RZM]

2. 'I'm gonna take my problem to the United Nations'

[NYC_SKP]

3. Turzai clip: Voter law.... "done"...

[goclark]

7. Just heard Rev. Al on the subject

His Action Network has mobilized to get Voter ID's for as many people as possible. I suppose they take the people to stand in long , long lines -- ???

It needs to be an all out effort by masses of Democratic Activist.


Marches won't work for this because I can't see it actually forcing the bigots to do anything.


What can we do NOW?

[NYC_SKP]

13. This law is unbelievable, that it's not unconstitutional, not being struck down.

so very sad!

[goclark]

18. Marches worked for mlk

for sure if we sit and look at TV and complain ....nothing will happen.

[goclark]

48. Let's March

While we are planning to march, Democrats better get every person a valid Voter ID and get those citizens to the polls.

I say, let them see grandmothers with the Marchers and in their wheel chairs.

Let them see people of all colors marching too.
If there are only "people of color " marching, that won't work.

It would be extremely important for it to be a Rainbow of colors. I remember Jessie Jackson had a very effective huge group of activist in the "Rainbow Coalition."

Does anyone know if Rev. Al checks into DU?
He would be the person to organize it.

Let me know your thoughts ~

[BlueCaliDem]

31. Only viable resolution: Obama declares Martial Law

This will scare the oligarchs enough to back the eff down with their voter suppression tactics, and it will put the judges on alert.

This is clearly a national security risk against the American people. If Bush could do it to force Congress to pass TARP for the banksters, then surely President Obama can use it to protect the rights of the American people.

[flamingdem]

40. Just like the 60s people need to mobilize to get the documents

and to give support on election day.

[Dkc05]

4. we need to take to the streets and protest

Election day need to protest at the polling place. No body in or out of the polling place unless the let you vote

[BlueCaliDem]

32. This will only result in the corporate powers to laugh you in the face.

It sure as hell didn't work in Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004, and it sure as hell won't work now.

Only solution: President Obama threatens to declare Martial Law and puts all those fascists on notice - including bought and owned judges. They wanna play hardball? No ball is harder than Martial Law.

[Dkc05]

5. maybe the UN can supervise the polling stations

I trust the UN more then GOP attorney general's who want to cheat the votors.

[Llewlladdwr]

8. What in the world could the UN do? nt

[mfcorey1]

10. Put it on the front page of the world with names.

[goclark]

17. I agree..time to MARCH!

"CALL ATTENTION TO THE PROBLEM"
Naacp etc. in every city...
All races and ages
Signs like... " they won't let my grandma vote!"
Rev. Al and Ben Jealous and other groups could do it.
We are--sad to say...back to the MLk days.

[mfcorey1]

19. Instead of one mass march there should be coordinated protest across the

country at a specified time in every city. It will not matter if two, three, or thousands show up at each location. Even if the MSM ignores it, the coordinated effort will get the word out. The message will be sent and put those who specialize in voter suppression on notice that the world is watching.

[goclark]

49. Sounds good to me!

Haw do Democrats get that started?

[Ruby the Liberal]

12. Oversee the elections

Like we have forced on other countries.

That would be the awesomeness on Corbett's corrupt regime to boot - UN forces standing watch in every polling station in PA on November 6th.

[sweetapogee]

29. how does having

UN forces at our polling places help dems win the election? Who is going to say "I have the authority to invite the UN to observe our election and have decided to do just that!" Answer: no one. May I say plainly that this is a very dumb idea although the feeling of outrage is one that I share.

[Ruby the Liberal]

34. It isn't so much helping anyone win anything.

It would be further visibility on the corruption that is the Corbett administration.

On top of everything else this crook has done, he was AG from 2008-2010 and SAT on the Sandusky investigation, assigning one sole PA State Trooper to investigate it part time through those years. He was running for Governor and didn't want to make waves in the Penn State fan base/community. It wasn't until the new AG took office after the 2010 election that the case was put on the front burner, investigations launched and Grand Juries sat.

[sweetapogee]

38. I hate to argue with you

as I agree that the ID thing sucks but voter ID and Penn State football are two different things and it's a little difficult for me to imagine that the voters in PA are going to want to see the UN at their polling places. Penn State fans, and we have them by the truckload are pissed at the NCAA.

We have as you know in the commonwealth both dems and pukes observing the voting, at least we do at my polling place. Here in the NE coal fields I think any outside presence regardless of party would be viewed with outrage. Maybe outside of this area it wouldn't cause a fuss but not here.

Take care my friend.

[Ruby the Liberal]

45. It would wake people up, no question.

And it isn't the Dems that would object - it is the insane Ron Paul posse in the "T". Makes it all the more attractive to me.

I'll even go so far as to say that I would pay good money to have the Corbett administration embarassed by poll watchers. You say this isn't about football - well, it never was. It has ALWAYS been about political expediency and corruption with that crew. His phoning in the Sandusky investigation was never about football either. It was all about keeping the campaign coffers full.

[grasswire]

9. where's Jimmy Carter? n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

14. +100!

Sad he's now needed here as much as any other country.

[uponit7771]

25. +1

[cali]

15. Fuck no. that would be pointless and counter productive

get the case into the federal courts.

[mfcorey1]

16. Nothing will happen there under Bush judges!

[cali]

28. that's ridiculous.

most of those sitting on the 3rd circuit were not appointed by bush, to begin with.

50 Theodore A. McKee Philadelphia, PA 1947 1994 2010–present Clinton
38 Dolores Korman Sloviter Philadelphia, PA 1932 1979 1991–1998 Carter
44 Anthony Joseph Scirica Philadelphia, PA 1940 1987 2003–2010 Reagan
52 Marjorie O. Rendell Philadelphia, PA 1947 1997 —— Clinton
54 Thomas L. Ambro Wilmington, DE 1949 2000 —— Clinton
55 Julio M. Fuentes Newark, NJ 1946 2000 —— Clinton
56 D. Brooks Smith Duncansville, PA 1951 2002 —— G.W. Bush
58 D. Michael Fisher Pittsburgh, PA 1944 2003 —— G.W. Bush
60 Michael Chagares Newark, NJ 1962 2006 —— G.W. Bush
61 Kent A. Jordan Wilmington, DE 1957 2006 —— G.W. Bush
62 Thomas M. Hardiman Pittsburgh, PA 1965 2007 —— G.W. Bush
63 Joseph A. Greenaway Newark, NJ 1957 2010 —— Obama
64 Thomas I. Vanaskie Scranton, PA 1953 2010 —— Obama

[mfcorey1]

30. Enough were to derail any positive movement. Let's revisit after a ruling and if

I have to, I will gladly eat my words.

[cali]

35. uh, we don't even know if it will get to federal court?

and do, pray, share with me just what your suggestions are for this dilemma? I'm breathless with anticipation.

[mfcorey1]

37. Try holding your breath if you think this will not reach federal courts. You already have

my suggestion.

[MrSlayer]

20. It's going to the state supreme court.

I wouldn't be surprised if Castile overturns the law despite the fact that he's a Republican. He's gone against the grain on more than one occasion.

[mfcorey1]

21. This makes those in the judicial community embarrassed. There is still something called

integrity. Rogue judges demean the profession.

[belcffub]

22. terrible idea... you know how many nations out there have the same or stricter laws

most nations would laugh at our outrage... it's my understanding that even Canada has stiffer requirements...

[nc4bo]

23. Like another DUer mentioned in another post, this may be the case but

you do not change the rules just before an election, much less a Presidential election.

They also rearrange voting districts for the same reasons.

Republicans are doing this simply to suppress Democratic votes in strategic places. Voting is not a privilege it is a right in this country and if anything, it should be easier for voters to exercise their rights.

They will cheat, lie and steal what ever they can get away with.

[muriel_volestrangler]

26. Not only would the UN not do anything, that would be a spectacular own goal

The UN does not get involved in the minutiae of voting laws in countries. The real effect of anyone 'taking this to the United Nations' would be to enrage the anti-UN types, make sure they turn out to vote for Romney, over the whole of the USA, in November, and hand Romney an ideal series of ads about how Democrats are "un-American" and want to hand control of the very basic part of the country - voting - to the UN.

I can't think of a worse move than trying to bring the UN into it. Try appealing to higher American courts.

[riverbendviewgal]

27. Put some of the campaign ad money into helping people pay for their ids

get supporters to help a person go through the process , with time, know how and money from the campaign ..Two by two, one helping another .....it can be done.

[kctim]

39. The UN?

Allowing the worthless UN to override and dictate US law
OR
President Obama declaring martial law

would without question make NadineB's second civil war fantasy come true, and I guarantee the US people would not be fighting in support of either.

[flamingdem]

42. If this decision doesn't outrage people

we are screwed.

This should be of concern to every American and the media better cover it.

[Barry2012]

51. Get the ids

I think that's the only route left.

[Dkc05]

52. Maybe the UN can send supervisors in to verify they let everybody vote

I can see a problem with the Romney folks not letting elderly folks vote if they don't have ID. If the name is on the voting Roll they should be allowed to vote even with out an ID. The UN is Neutral and would be a good observer to make sure the election is not stolen like 2000.