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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:27 AM Aug 2012

Undoing Obama Medicare Cuts May Backfire on Romney.....his plan makes Medicare insolvent by 2016

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The reason: Obama's cuts also extended the life of Medicare's giant trust fund, and by repealing them Romney would move the insolvency date of the program closer, toward the end of what would be his first term in office.

Instead of running out of money in 2024, Medicare says its trust fund for inpatient care would go broke in 2016 without the cuts. That could leave a President Romney little political breathing room to finalize his own Medicare plan.

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"The idea that restoring funding to Medicare could somehow hasten its bankruptcy is on its face absurd," said spokeswoman Andrea Saul.

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"Gov. Romney's plan is to repeal Obamacare and replace it with patient-centered reforms that control cost throughout the health care system and extend the solvency of Medicare," Saul said. "He will then implement real entitlement reform that places Medicare on a sustainable long-term footing so that future generations of Americans will not have to worry whether the program will be there for them."

But Obama's cuts were not directly aimed at Medicare's 48 million beneficiaries; instead they affect hospitals, insurers, nursing homes, drug companies and other service providers. Simply undoing the cuts would restore higher payments to those service providers. And that would cause Medicare to spend money faster.

more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/undoing-obama-medicare-cuts-may-backfire-romney#overlay-context=article/biden-vs-ryan-no-2s-rising-presidential-race

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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
1. This is why the Ryan budget makes exactly the same cuts
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:41 AM
Aug 2012

They extend the viability of Medicare by eight years.

The difference is that Obamacare added benefits that keep the level of haelthcare seniors receive the same or better.

Ryan did not replace the cuts with benefits.

And if Romney no longer supports the Ryan budget, then he is in favor of bankrupting Medicare by hanging onto a very wasteful $700 billion of costs.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
2. I don't like some of the Obama cuts,
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:49 AM
Aug 2012

and it is silly to say that undoing the cuts would undermine the solvency of Medicare. The real problem here is that Romney wants much worse cuts than Obama's.

bornskeptic

(1,330 posts)
4. It is not silly to say that undoing the cuts would undermine Medicare's solvency.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:43 AM
Aug 2012

Funding for Medicare comes from three sources: the trust fund (Part A only), the general fund, and premiums. The $714 billion is a reduction in the amounts paid from the trust fund and from the general fund. The Affordable Care Act reduced the annual spending from the trust fund, extending its projected viability by about 10 years. Restoring that spending would undo the change, and bring the projected depletion of the trust fund 10 years nearer. Don't be confused by Romney's outrageous(even for him) lie that the $714 billion was taken out of the trust fund. Spending reductions don't take money out of the trust fund. They leave more money in the trust fund.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
9. Which cuts by President Obama don't you like?
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 10:13 AM
Aug 2012

Do you have a link that explains what these cuts are?

Don

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
3. Why isn't anybody asking the most basic questions about the Ryan/Romney Medicare plan?
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:50 AM
Aug 2012

There are ~40,000,000 people enrolled in Medicare.

At least 30,000,000 of them cannot come up with $6000 out of pocket to buy private insurance.

Under the Ryan/Romney plan, they would get nothing. Nothing but a voucher they can't use. They get no cash. They get no coverage.

What do we do with 30,000,000 unable to buy their medications?
What do we do with 30,000,000 unable to pay for their nursing home?
What do we do with 30,000,000 that show up in the ER without any ability to pay?


Please note that 30,000,000 uncovered seniors is equivalent to about 150,000,000 uncovered younger people.

Why is nobody making Ryan/Romney explain these very basic questions? This has been going on for months and I have never once heard any media person ask any of these questions, and I have never heard the Obama people ask any of these questions.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
6. The official estimates are 15-19M people thrown out of coverage
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:51 AM
Aug 2012

But your post is spot on otherwise. I think Obama and Biden are going to have a great time with this in the debates. Seniors watch the debates, and they should provide a nice extended opportunity to explain to seniors, who Romney and Ryan and trying their damnest to confuse, exactly how bad the Republican plan is for them.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
10. I hadn't seen that. Take the low end, 15,000,000
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:06 AM
Aug 2012

I don't debate whether the number is 15M, 20M, or 30M, this is a HUGE problem with 15M.

Even 5M seniors without coverage would be a huge problem.

Why is nobody asking Ryan and Romney about that?

What do we do with 15M people who have no coverage, can't buy their drugs, can't pay for nursing home, and just land at the ER when they are really sick?

15M seniors without coverage is like 75M younger people without coverage.

And if I understand the Ryan/Romney plan correctly, if they don't buy an insurance policy, their voucher is worthless. They could not use the voucher to buy drugs directly, for example, or to pay for nursing home expenses directly. It is a voucher to buy insurance. If you don't buy insurance with it, you lose the voucher. Is that correct?

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
5. Andrea Saul really is that dumb, isn't she?
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:46 AM
Aug 2012

She doesn't even comprehend that the cuts to providers SLOW outgoing payments, resulting in a more money left in Medicare. Hey Andrea, did you know that id you "cut" your expenditures, you'd have more money left?

bornskeptic

(1,330 posts)
8. I think she's just getting more careful about lying. Her job is to support her lying boss.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 10:06 AM
Aug 2012

She fucked up once and told the truth (about Romneycare) and I'm sure she was thoroughly chewed out and warned not to do it again.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
13. Anticipated GOP reply --
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:10 PM
Aug 2012

"Let's see what other entitlement programs can be improved by cutting 23%!"

Don't tell me they won't.

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