Poll: Biden, Bernie, Beto lead 2020 Dem field

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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Former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) enter the 2020 election cycle as the leaders for the Democratic presidential nomination to take on President Donald Trump, according to a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll conducted in the immediate aftermath of last week’s midterms.

More than a quarter of Democratic voters, 26 percent, say Biden is their first choice to be the Democratic nominee. Another one-in-five, 19 percent, would pick Sanders, the runner-up for the nomination in 2016.


The two septuagenarians — Biden will be 77 on Election Day, 2020, and Sanders will be 79 — are the only two prospective candidates to garner double-digit support. The third-place candidate is Rep. Beto O’Rourke (R-Texas), who built national name-recognition through his losing Senate bid last week, with 8 percent.

“Beto O’Rourke is emerging to be an outside contender for the 2020 Democratic nomination, outpacing other potential nominees,” said Tyler Sinclair, Morning Consult’s vice president.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/12/poll-biden-bernie-beto-lead-2020-dems-983995

After my boy Beto wins the Iowa caucus it's off to the races.

[manor321]

1. The press needs to discuss POLICY, not POLLS at this time

These polls are ridiculous.

[Garrett78]

4. They always are at this point. It's all name recognition.

As if the media doesn't have much better things to do.

[Hortensis]

16. Exactly. Half of all Americans don't know who

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most of these people are or what they do, but here and there a name is recognizable.

Age would obviously be a serious problem when numbers start showing up with name, especially the "and by the end of the first term ones," but who that'll work against worst is a guess. So much is visual. How far can personality carry one, and which personality? Uncle Biden's warm fuzzies just get more charming with age. Will Bernie's crankiness be so cute and loveable going on 80?

If we were Republicans, we'd have a long line of white-haired septuagenarian males plus several that looked like their sons or grandsons. There'd be one token younger and attractive, but unelectable, female. Gillibrand would do. Kamala Harris emphatically not; way too strong competition even if they decided they wanted a token black/Indian woman.

Personally, I'd be ready to vote for Hillary (71) all over again if it came to it, but this whole generation could be about to fall of a cliff together as far as the presidency is concerned. Or not?
Biden-Harris, east coast/west coast?

[Garrett78]

67. Harris with Brown or Castro or O'Rourke or Klobuchar.

I think turnout for Harris, if she's our nominee, will be record-breaking. Sherrod Brown seems like a good choice for VP.

[Hortensis]

80. Yes. We have some good prospects. It'll be interesting

to watch the dynamics, complete generational change at the top of the ticket, half old and half young, or cut the difference like as example Klobushar-Brown. One thing, they certainly demonstrate that definitions of age groups have shifted. 60s are merely later middle age for the healthy and vigorous.

[Le Gaucher]

29. Hillary was all policy. To what end?

People unfortunately vote for faces and not your policy chops.

[manor321]

35. Because the press no longer covers policy

If the press honestly reported policy every day, we'd hold 75% of the seats in America.

[Le Gaucher]

42. And what makes you think they will suddenly shift to serious journalism?

We are all personality and ratings driven.

In UK the news is simply read by a "news reader" and will cover about 15/20 topics in an houf

In this country we have anchors who are full of themselves and cover 3 topics if we are lucky.

[StevieM]

60. And for good measure, when the race was over, the media claimed that she had no policy positions

and that her campaign was about nothing.

2016 was such a ridiculous election, and its aftermath was even more insane.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

2. The killer B's...nt

[Wintryjade]

3. Biden lost 3 Democratic runs, Sanders is not a Democrat, Beto (I love you) Too inexperienced.

Next?

[BannonsLiver]

6. Nevertheless 2 of those 3 will likely run if not all 3

I don’t buy the inexperience angle on Beto especially when there are people here advocating for Castro and Tom Steyer to run. Unlikely that will be much of a factor in 2020. Just like in 2008. I’m intrigued by the potential of the 2020 field. Should be plenty of quality choices.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Joe Biden suggested he would only run if he thought he was the only Dem who could beat Chump.

This is all subjective but he has to know Beto can beat Trump.

[BannonsLiver]

22. Yep

i agree with you there. My one caveat with Beto is if he actually wants to run. I’m trying to reign in my expectations on that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Beto's youth and good looks would contrast nicely with Trump's physical and cognitive decline.

I should temper my enthusiasm because if he decides to run I will be sad. I'm comfortable with most of our nominees . I was on the Biden train then the Booker train but Beto is special.


His campaign style is tailor made for the IA caucus.

[Wintryjade]

13. Harris/Beto is my choice.

[BannonsLiver]

25. I know few Dems who would be unhappy with that ticket

I would be thrilled to vote for it.

[Wintryjade]

26. I agree. Powerful for so many different reasons.

[Celerity]

53. I am all in on that one!!

[SKKY]

63. I could live with that ticket.

At least neither of them is a 70+ year-old white dude. We need to be done with those for a while.

[Wintryjade]

64. Every one seems to just not "mind" this ticket and ya, exciting. Agree. Love my Joe, want to hear

him to the end of time, but not as the President. Strong supporting Democratic Leader that he is.

[SKKY]

72. I say it that way because we're still a least a year away...

...and it's anyone's guess who the candidate will be. I suspect folks like Castro, Klobuchar, Booker, Warner, Newsom, Brown, and perhaps even Heinrich or Swalwell will have something to say when the time comes. Either way, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about our potential candidates.

[Wintryjade]

79. I agree. All just play. We have awesome Democrats.

[crazycatlady]

7. Beto's more experienced than the man in the WH now

Lincoln lost a senate race and then became POTUS 2 years later.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. +1

[BannonsLiver]

11. And Tricky Dick lost a presidential campaign and a subsequent run for governor before he got elected

These primaries are going to be fascinating I think.

[Small-Axe]

43. He had, of course, been Vice-President and a member of Congress.

Nixon also brought disgrace to the office and shame to the nation in ways I never expected to see repeated or surpassed in my lifetime.

Boy. was I wrong.

[BannonsLiver]

69. Indeed you were. But so were a lot of people.

[Wintryjade]

15. That really cannot be the goalpost. Lets not make it so.

[crazycatlady]

44. the goalposts have been moved so much in the last 2 years

Here's what I like about Beto.

1) Charisma. He just has it. At least in my voting lifetime (I'm 38, so first presidential election was Bush/Gore), the Democrats that have lost* (Gore, Kerry, Hillary Clinton) did so to a more charismatic GOP candidate. The Democratic president that was elected in my voting lifetime is a very charismatic guy who could fire up a crowd. There's others that are contenders, but most don't have the charisma that Beto has (maybe Cory Booker).

2) He's young. Democrats have a Gen X problem. We have quite a few millennials that were just elected, but we seem to have skipped Gen X. The other contenders are Boomers or older, and it is time for a new generation to lead. If elected, he would be older than Obama was when he took office. (Also, the Democratic presidents elected in my lifetime were Bill Clinton and Obama-- both younger presidents).

3) Geography. He's not a 'coastal liberal' like so many of the other contenders and doesn't come from the traditionally blue northeast or west coast. Since 2016, I've been saying that we needed someone not from one of those states. Red state Democrat who had the best performance for a Democrat in his state in 25 years. He will put TEXAS in play. The GOP can't use the 'coastal elite' attack when a Texan Democrat is running against a guy who spent his entire life in Manhattan penthouses shitting on gold plated toilets.

[Awsi Dooger]

48. Great summary

The arguments against Beto are lame and the most laughable of all is, "He couldn't even beat Ted Cruz."

I wonder if those people think Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or any of our nationally known Democrats could have waltzed into Texas and defeated Ted Cruz in a federal race.

Scary, if so.

[Cha]

8. Kamala Harris?

[AkFemDem]

12. Yes! Totally on Team Harris. She could bring Beto along as Veep and sweeten the pot. n/t

[Cha]

18. Really.. give that amazing Rep from Texas

some grand experience!

[Wintryjade]

19. The contradictions are awesome. The script writes itself. Powerful.

[Wintryjade]

17. I like Harris/Beto 2020.

[Cha]

20. Yeah.. just what the poster above

said.. and I like it, too!

[phleshdef]

21. 2, not 3. And that was before he served as VP for 8 years which made a huge difference...

...in terms of his national profile. There are valid reasons for and against Biden being our nominee. What you just stated is not one of them.

[Wintryjade]

23. I do not think he has it. My opinion.

[phleshdef]

27. Thats fine for you to have a shitty opinion... better than spreading misinformation...

...about how many times he has ran for President.

[Wintryjade]

36. Lol. "Shitty"? This is what I got.

1984 Democratic National Convention (Presidential tally):

Walter Mondale – 2,191 (56.41%)
Gary Hart – 1,201 (30.92%)
Jesse Jackson – 466 (12.00%)
Thomas Eagleton – 18 (0.46%)
George McGovern – 4 (0.10%)
John Glenn – 2 (0.05%)
Joe Biden – 1 (0.03%)
Martha Kirkland – 1 (0.03%)

1988 Democratic National Convention (Presidential tally):

Michael Dukakis – 2,877 (70.09%)
Jesse Jackson – 1,219 (29.70%)
Richard H. Stallings – 3 (0.07%)
Joe Biden – 2 (0.05%)
Dick Gephardt – 2 (0.05%)
Lloyd Bentsen – 1 (0.02%)
Gary Hart – 1 (0.02%)

2008 Democratic presidential primaries:

Excluding penalized contests, only primary and caucuses votes:

Barack Obama – 16,706,853
Hillary Clinton – 16,239,821
John Edwards – 742,010
Bill Richardson – 89,054
Uncommitted – 82,660
Dennis Kucinich – 68,482
Joe Biden – 64,041
Mike Gravel – 27,662
Christopher Dodd – 25,300
Others – 22,556

[phleshdef]

37. Biden never ran in 1984. 1 person at the Dem convention voted for him. But he didn't run.

[calguy]

46. There are no "shitty" opinions

Only shitty reactions to opinions different than ones self.

[phleshdef]

47. Yes there are, you just illustrated one.

[Adrahil]

28. Ya know what?

Normally, I'd agree that Beto is too inexperienced. But fuck it. He's smart. He can surround himself with smart people. Winning is more important that the perfect resume right now. I think Beto can win.

[JI7]

65. Beto has been serving in congress and he is the same age as Ted Cruz

many people think beto is younger than he is becsuse Cruz looks old .

[BannonsLiver]

73. Trump shattered the experience paradigm forever

For better orvfor worse we have crossed that threshold. Beto is more than competent enough to be president. Those who either dislike him, or fear him, had better come with more than that if he runs because that line of attack will be a fart in the wind by the Iowa state fair.

[shanny]

5. Hmmm. I could handle a Bernie/Beto ticket cheerfully...nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. No, newp and nooooope!

[ismnotwasm]

39. +100,000,000

[Doreen]

24. I would love a Biden/Beto ticket.

I like the fact that Biden worked very closely with Obama and it would give us just a little of Obama back. Beto would be the freshness we also need and I think they would be a good team.

[Adrahil]

34. I could go for that, but two white guys?

We need to demonstrate some diversity, I think.

[CountAllVotes]

52. Beto/Harris!

How is that for diverse?

[Adrahil]

74. I love it!!! NT

[CountAllVotes]

81. So do I!!

Needless to say!

Dream ticket for me!

No more old white guys!

[Doreen]

54. I agree with you but these two white guys would ( despite being white ) still

fight very much for minorities of all kinds. I think they would make sure a lot of the people they get to choose to be in their administration would be minorities to make it a very divers administration.

If one became an option I would love to vote for a homosexual, colored woman, who is not religious in any way, her parents are immigrants and she is disabled. Oh, make it even better if she is married and they have children adopted who come from different countries ( you know the ones coming from the same places as the caravan people?) Now, I think that would be diverse enough wouldn't it?

[Adrahil]

75. I hear ya....

And I love both those guys. Still think we'd be better off with a more diverse ticket.

[Adrahil]

30. Not a chance in hell Bernie gets the nom.

For one thing, he's unlikely to release his tax returns.

[get the red out]

31. Still a little early

The primaries will end up sorting all of this out. There will probably be several people running. Sanders is definitely a no for me, but not because I don't agree with him policy-wise. I think we need to move on from the 2016 battles, fight new battles at least!

[BannonsLiver]

40. I think the unofficial edict of don't talk about 2020 until '18 is over was more or less followed

Here on DU. But the 2018 mid terms have concluded and now we turn our eyes to the future, which 2020 is a big part of. The don’t talk about 2020 crowd are going to have to let that go. Time to turn the page.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. The mid terms are over.

[David__77]

38. Interesting that they list the names in the question.

I think it would be a better poll at this point if they simply asked an open-ended question: "who is your first choice to be the 2020 Democratic nominee for President?"

I suspect that the "don't knows" would be somewhat higher if the names weren't given.

Regardless of that - very interesting that O'Rourke gets 8%.

[Wounded Bear]

41. We're in the 'name recognition' phase...

that's all based on who people know around the country.

[elocs]

45. As an old man myself I say no more old people for our presidential candidate.

It's time for a new generation to take over because if we don't have some fresh, young blood, what future does the Democratic Party have anyways?
Remember, Obama really came out of nowhere to win the Democratic nomination. I remember watching his speech at the Democratic convention in 2004 and thinking that he would some day run for president and be a very viable candidate but I never thought it would happen so soon. So it can happen again.

[Awsi Dooger]

49. I'm still in my 50s but I agree with this

I want the nominee to be much younger than myself, not same age let alone much older.

I'm not kidding myself about which direction offers more upside with voters. I love Hillary but I always knew it would take a minor miracle for her to reach 50% in the popular vote. She probably would have gotten there minus Comey, but the minor miracle was already there in being allowed to run against a Republican with a 38/60 favorable/unfavorable split. It still wasn't enough.

[redgreenandblue]

82. ...

(sorry for not writing yet. so much going on once again. haven't forgotten!)

[BlueStater]

50. Pass on the eighty-year-old men (they might as well be) and Beto.

Sherrod Brown is strongly considering a run and I hope he goes for it.

[BannonsLiver]

71. No way Brown would get much traction in a primary

Brown doesn’t have the charisma needed to win a primary in the modern age. And he won’t have as much money behind him as the other candidates will either. Great senator though. Maybe the best in the Dem ranks if we’re being honest.

[democratisphere]

51. ADAM SCHIFF.

The next POTUS!

[raging moderate]

58. Yes, Adam Schiff! or Eric Swalwell, or Ted Lieu, or Sherrod Brown, or Julian Castro....

or Elizabeth Warren, or Kamala Harris, or Joe Kennedy, or Cory Booker, or….

[raging moderate]

59. We have a lot of great potential candidates!

Let's widen our thinking at this point!

[libdem4life]

56. I like Beto as VP to whoever gets the nomination. He'll be even better after some

national exposure and building his group. I think he could do it now probably, but he'll be more effective with more experience. And it does bode well this time NOT to be a bi-coastal ticket.

Either way, he's the antithesis and the antidote to the Orangeman in 2020.

[Maven]

57. Ugh. Politico. nt

[StevieM]

61. What a ridiculous poll. They deliberately excluded Tom Steyer, just like all the polls do.

They know that if they poll on him he is going to do well.

Ultimately it won't matter. He is going to be the next President of the United States.

[Glamrock]

62. Down with all three!

Loves me some uncle Joe, loves me some Bern, loves me some Beto!

[SweetieD]

66. Really hope Bernie sits this out.

[Awsi Dooger]

68. He's guaranteed to say something that doesn't help

Especially if he doesn't get the nomination to defend it.

Trump abuses the short sound bite stuff

[Polybius]

70. No, Maybe, and Hell No

I'm going with the 4th B, Booker.

[AlexSFCA]

76. try Sharrod Brown

if you want blue tsunami

[Bayard]

78. I like a Brown/Booker ticket.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

77. No, No and Yesss.

[realmirage]

83. Well look at that

Sanders still has lots of support. Maybe we should stop attacking his supporters since we’re going to need them?