The soldiers on the army post I live on are talking about Trump's disrespect.

[Solly Mack]

And the talk ain't good.


Most are angry, a few livid, a few hurt - and they are all stung & stunned. It seems unreal to them that any president - no matter how horrible - would just blow the day off. To treat it and them with such callous disregard.

I didn't ask how they voted. I was listening only. But I think the whole Veterans Day/Armistice Day fiasco has left a deep mark.

[Wounded Bear]

1. The whole weekend is a demonstration of what Trump really thinks about the military...

[Solly Mack]

8. I agree.

[William Seger]

52. But defense contractors are doing FINE

[Midnight Writer]

109. Exactly. When Trump talks about the military, he is talking about the war profiteers, not soldiers.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

146. Trump is disgracing dead war-heroes of every nation: Here is what the OP is about:

Trump (aka Teflon Don) claims dead military personnel would be "proud" as he dishonors them
According to the Stars and Strips US Military News
Trump visit to US cemetery in France canceled due to rain

More than 60 heads of state and government are converging on France for the commemorations that will crescendo Sunday with ceremonies at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Paris on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, exactly a century after the armistice.

PARIS — President Donald Trump canceled a planned visit to a cemetery for Americans killed in World War I, the White House said, citing bad weather that grounded his helicopter...
Paris was covered in clouds with drizzling rain through most of Saturday.
https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/trump-visit-to-us-cemetery-in-france-canceled-due-to-rain-1.556245

https://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.556246.1541900835!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_900/image.jpg
As the previous link to the photograph indicates, Trump lied! Marine One was not grounded, due to bad weather. When I was in the Navy, during Vietnam, I saw marine helicopters fly in all kinds of weather! Beside "clouds and drizzling rain" never grounded US Marines helicopters, with an important mission!

As the nation observes Veterans Day, Trump not visiting Arlington National Cemetery
By Emily C. Singer | 2h ago

At 10:03 a.m. on Monday, the White House called a travel lid, meaning President Donald Trump is not expected to hold any public events for the remainder of the day. That also means that Trump won’t visit Arlington National Cemetery on Monday, as the country observes Veterans Day — an unofficial presidential tradition.

Officially, Veterans Day was Sunday. However, Trump was in Paris commemorating the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I.

Trump made a number of blunders in Paris, including canceling a visit to an American military cemetery near Paris because it was raining. The White House claimed Trump canceled the visit because the Marine One helicopter cannot fly in rain, but at another ceremony on Sunday, the president made a comment about how a World War II veteran was being kept dry under shelter as he stood in the rain giving a speech. https://mic.com/articles/192418/as-nation-observes-veterans-day-trump-not-visiting-arlington-national-cemetery#.dOad2VpYD

Although President Barack Obama visited Arlington National Cemetery for Veterans Day services on several occasions, once in a heavy rain-storm President Trump has chosen to avoid the remembrance of military deaths at the national cemetery.

On Memorial Day, President Trump took a beating on social media Monday after his self-serving tweet about how America’s fallen vets would be “very happy” about the way he was running the country.

“Happy Memorial Day! Those who died for our great country would be very happy and proud at how well our country is doing today. Best economy in decades, lowest unemployment numbers for Blacks and Hispanics EVER (& women in 18years), rebuilding our Military and so much more. Nice!” he tweeted at 8:58 a.m., hours before laying a wreath the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

“OMG,” tweeted retired Gen. Michael Hayden, the former CIA and National Security Agency chief., in response.

Others objected to the tone-deaf term “Happy Memorial Day.

“Mr. President: My father was MIA in Vietnam for 30 years. I will visit him at Arlington today. There is nothing “happy” about #MemorialDay,” tweeted retired US Army Major General Paul Eaton. https://nypost.com/2018/05/28/trump-lauds-economy-military-in-memorial-day-tweets/

[YOHABLO]

166. I don't think he really has any empathy for anyone. He's narcissism to the 'nth' degree.

[List left]

128. even without de-fence being built. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

56. The midterm elections were over so why should he pretend to care any more?

[SummerSnow]

88. Exactly, if the mid terms came after he would have been there.

[Johnny2X2X]

2. His Parade

Mention to them that Trump probably blew off Veteran's Day because this was supposed to be the day he had his military parade, but military leaders told him no. He was pouting that he didn't get to have a parade in his own honor.

[Solly Mack]

4. We talked about that and many think that already.

[Johnny2X2X]

13. I hope the media brings it up

From what we know of Trump, that's exactly what this is, he's angry at the military for not letting him have his parade so he's punishing them by not honoring our Vets on Veteran's Day. It's precisely how petty he is about everything, I would love to hear a retired general publicly point out the obviousness of this.

[Solly Mack]

18. He's petty enough to do it.

Some think the deployment to the border over the holiday is also a punishment.

[Johnny2X2X]

26. I tweeted Bill Maher about it

There is no doubt in my mind this is all about his parade that he didn't get.

[Solly Mack]

28. He said a few months back that he would go to Paris this month since he wasn't getting a parade

Because Trump is stupid enough to have thought Armistice Day would be another military might parade moment.

He said it in August or September.

[Johnny2X2X]

29. He was AWOL all day yesterday

Did nothing for the vets, nada. He was punishing them for not getting his parade. Why the hell is this not headline news?

[keithbvadu2]

96. Trump does not want to salute the military. He wants the world to see the military salute him.

Trump does not want to salute the military.
He wants the world to see the military salute him.

Will it be awkward when he refuses POWs a place in his parade?
After all, Donald does not like soldiers who were captured.

[RVN VET71]

169. POWs should stay away, en masse

So should all veterans. Especially if it's raining.

[snowybirdie]

3. Glad they may be seeing the light

Know many Vietnam vets who strongly support tRump. I wonder what they are thinking today?

[Solly Mack]

7. I was a little surprised at the widespread condemnation.

I expected a few to defend him but none of them did.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

150. You should have heard the talk at the V A Hospital . . .

[pandr32]

11. I know one that hates his guts

...and at the East Hawaii VFW there are plenty in agreement.

[Submariner]

44. Here's a taste from the submarine veterans group I was banned from

Liberal veteran statement: Trump Used Lame Excuse For Not Honoring U.S. War Dead

Comment 1:

You really don’t know shit, do you?

In zero-vis weather, the president stays on the ground. The Marine Corp grounded Marine One because it was unsafe to fly. It was unsafe because they couldn’t see the ground. The ceiling would have shut down airports in the US.

The road into the Belleau Woods cemetery is two lanes and narrow, look it up on google maps street view. If the president drove there, nobody else could, so he didn’t go jam it up. The security required by other officials is less.

Pull your head out of your ass and think for once, shipwreck.

Comment 2: (from military Doctor treating PTSD victims) Helps explain the 22 suicides a day.

The reason the leftists are so verklempt is that they were hoping and praying that one of France's peaceful Muslims would assassinate the best POTUS in a century.

But, they were sorely disappointed the poor dears.

As one of the idiot talking heads on Fake News said, "We don't need no stinkin' security for this President."

[Autumn]

46. Ask that dumb fuck how the other leaders got there if the road can't handle a limo?

Did they fucking teleport?

[Submariner]

142. I would except my IP address has been locked out for being a Libtard veteran

[Autumn]

144. Damn, but it's typical trumperthink.

[maryellen99]

61. "Best POTUS in a century"

[PatSeg]

74. Apparently

Someone flunked American History in school.

[Permanut]

149. Best Piece Of Totally Useless Shit..

Is probably what he meant. Yeah, I'm sure that's what he meant.

Cult morons.

[Mariana]

65. Those are cult members for sure.

Here's one I heard: "I bet they heard about a terrorist plot and that's why they cancelled. They probably saved hundreds of lives."

[lagomorph777]

68. These little snowflakes are our military?

Heaven help us. They'd be afraid to get the tanks muddy.

[Submariner]

143. Like myself, they are 70+ year old Vietnam era submarine veterans

[KY_EnviroGuy]

104. It's disheartening to read of vets addressing each other that way....

with lies, vile statements and petty nicknames. All vets I knew in my youth (50s/60s) spoke to each other with reverence.

The evil people who create this verbiage and then spread it over social and public media should be put away for the remainder of their lives. The damage they are doing to our collective psyche is immeasurable.

.............

[plantwomyn]

114. Zero vis

Except the records show that the visibility was a 600'. There are a couple of articles out there that utterly disprove Trump's BS about not being able to fly that day.

[muntrv]

129. So why couldn't he go a mile from the white house to Arlington National on Monday?

[Takket]

162. zero vis ROFL

Yeah............. i can't see a damn thing



source:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/trump-cancels-visit-to-us-cemetery-in-france-for-wwi-ceremony-1524533/

[Cheviteau]

64. Let Me Go On Record.

I'm a Vietnam vet and I cannot stand the SOB. Never could. As a matter of fact, I believe I started hating him before I was born.

[Ilsa]

79. Gee, i wish you felt more passionately about it!

You hated him while you were in utero. Good one.

[chwaliszewski]

148. Fucking A, that's funny!

[raccoon]

5. Good some of them finally got their heads out of their behinds. nt

[Solly Mack]

10. I hope it stays with them. How he made them feel.

[kysrsoze]

176. Sad that it takes something to central to them to wake them up.

It’s always OK for people like Dump to shit all over everyone else, but when he does it to them... well that’s another story, right?

[gratuitous]

6. Lead that horse to water

After listening to the complaints, make the simple observation, "Makes you wonder what kind of man Donald Trump is, doesn't it?" Some of them will get it, maybe a few who haven't gotten it before.

[Solly Mack]

12. I was really expecting to hear a defense for Trump. I was glad when I didn't.

So I kept my mouth shut for the most part and simply listened. You could tell some of them were in actual pain over it.

[LisaM]

37. I'm sorry if they were in actual pain over it, I am, but....

how could they have been so hoodwinked by the guy? To the best of my knowledge, no one in his own family and certainly not Melania's, has ever served in the US military and his own grandfather couldn't return to his homeland since he'd ducked military service (blanking on whether this was Germany or Austria). Do they really vote that blindly Republican?

[Solly Mack]

40. A lot of people vote that blindly, yes.

Some I know are still convinced Obama worked to take their guns. Forget the evidence - they still believe it.

[geardaddy]

43. His father dodged military service in Germany. n/t

[DeminPennswoods]

83. Yes

The reason that I heard from both the federal civil servants and military where I worked was that Republicans always supported more money for DoD. Nevermind that DoD didn't even know how to spend the money it already had very wisely or effectively.

[pandr32]

9. It should leave "a deep mark"

tRumpy isn't fit to be CIC or POTUS. He only cares for himself, his spawn, and his money/properties--and Putin. Even the Pentagon seems to have accepted that he is nuts.

[Solly Mack]

14. You're right.

Let's hope this is a turning point for them.

[Doreen]

45. I would put money/properties and Putin first.

We all know he would throw his spawn under the bus with hardly a thought if it would save his ass.

[pandr32]

177. Agreed

But if he runs off in exile somewhere to leave the mess he's made behind he would probably want Ivanka to go with him--his sons and Jared not so much.
I think Ivanka is his mother/wife figure. He consults her and depends on her. He is childlike in many ways. He really has no idea what makes people tick aside from money, sex, and power. Ivanka (bless her impaired heart) fills in what she can to help. They have a strange co-dependency.

[ooky]

15. Hope so.

When he insulted McCain's service they didn't seem very bothered. But that was long ago. Perhaps disrespecting all veterans will cause their disgust needle to finally start to move.

[UniteFightBack]

17. He's moved on to insulting dead Veterans rather than the live ones....the military needs to wake up

NOW!

[Solly Mack]

22. Depends on how it lands, I guess. Some were truly hurt by his total disregard.

They thought he would at least make an effort yesterday. And they were wounded when he did not.

[UniteFightBack]

16. I have been saying this for some time...rump is going to piss off the country one person at a time.

Please continue dear dotard.

[Solly Mack]

19. He does seem to get around to all groups one after the other.

Sadly, some people don't know when he is attacking them. ( "I love the uneducated" )

[SWBTATTReg]

20. I'm angry too. It doesn't take much to go out of one's way and honor the sacrifice made by ...

these people. Period. The so called president of this country no less.

[Solly Mack]

23. That's how they felt too. Regardless of whatever else - a president should honor those who

gave their lives.

[YessirAtsaFact]

86. Skipping the trip to Arlington was inexcusable

Not honoring our dead in France was bad enough, but Arlington is 15-20 minutes from the White House and he can’t take that time to place a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier?

No respect whatsoever.

[Dave Starsky]

98. It was particularly egregious given the France fiasco.

It was insanely stupid and heartless.

Let's just say you're a useless President, and you really don't give a fuck about people in the military. Is it REALLY too much for you to have someone drive you to the cemetery two miles away, walk out of the car, lay a wreath, and have your picture taken with a sad and pensive expression on your face for even ten seconds? Then you can walk back to your car and go back to watching Fox and Friends or Tweeting or whatever you were doing on the way over.

Trump doesn't think the patriots of this country who have lost their lives merit even that miniscule bit of respect. What I described above requires the energy and commitment of picking up a pepperoni pizza at the nearest Little Caesar's.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

151. Not going to Arlington is UNFORGIVABLE

If you notice, they didn't even bother with an excuse.

I hope the next time he tries to talk about the military, the words get stuck in his throat and chokes him out.

[Ilsa]

135. And out of respect for trump,

Pence didn't bother himself with it either.

[Achilleaze]

21. republicans just keep pissing on our veterans and active-duty personnel

Disgusting. This is among the many reasons why KGOP republicans have earned the name deplorables - they are deplorable, untrustworthy, untruthful, and unpatriotic. The evidence is indisputable.

[Solly Mack]

24. They truly do.

Unfortunately, a few of those complaining yesterday were the same ones worried a Democrat would take their guns a couple of years ago.

I usually ask them if they still have their guns. They usually snarl back at me.

Except yesterday - they were actually hurt.

[wishstar]

25. Election's over, he doesn't need to pretend he cares and he didn't get his military parade

Moping and scared over the election results and resentful that his military parade originally planned for this week didn't happen. He is having to fuel his narcissisism by getting some revenge lashing out with nasty tweets and firing Sessions, Nielsen and Kelly.

[Solly Mack]

27. But all smiles for Putin.

[Dave Starsky]

73. Trump lit up like a Corgi whose master had just returned...

From a long vacation.

I've never seen him so fucking happy.

[Solly Mack]

75. He did put on his you-make-me-happy face. If he had tail it would have wagged.

[keithbvadu2]

91. "it would have wagged" Good one!

"it would have wagged"

Good one!

[CloudWatcher]

30. President Bone Spurs

His draft dodging should have been enough to clue people into what he thinks of the military: only losers have to serve!

At least you can say he's been consistently deplorable in his behavior.

[Solly Mack]

31. He has that.

[Dave Starsky]

76. If only the military could have assigned him to Golfing duty...

He would have been okay.

Unfortunately, dodging bullets in the rice paddies and humidity can cause bone spurs to flare up.

[Solly Mack]

77. And helmets do ruin the hair.

[The Blue Flower]

32. In the entire history of Veterans Day, no president has blown it off

Not one. Until now.

[Solly Mack]

34. He probably thinks that's a plus. The 1st!

[LudwigPastorius]

33. Well, let's see...

Trump has pissed off our intelligence services, the military, and now blames the Secret Service for missing the WWI commemoration in France.

So, he's about covered every decent human being, home and abroad. The only people who support him now are racist Nazi cultists.

[Solly Mack]

35. Pretty much the same kind of people as always.

[LudwigPastorius]

36. "very fine people..."

[Solly Mack]

38. Yep.

[Hassler]

39. Executive time all the time.

[Solly Mack]

41. A boob and his tube.

[LovingA2andMI]

42. Yep...

And Vets at the VA Hospital near us, are RIGHTFULLY pissed.

The End is Near as showing his level of disrespect to Veterans on Veterans Day will not be forgotten, ever.

[Solly Mack]

48. I don't think it will either. At least that's the impression I was left with after talking with

the soldiers yesterday.

You know how they have a greeting of the day? Well, yesterday it included thanking everyone - and not just retired veterans - for their service - one soldier said, "and let me thank you for your service since the president won't".

They're required to thank all retirees for their service. Not so with active duty.

This was taking place at the main gate - 3 shifts of soldiers and assorted veterans coming on post for a tribute ceremony.

[pamdb]

47. The military

Well, considering that the military tends to vote republican (why, I have NO idea) I certainly hope they remember this in 2020.

[Solly Mack]

49. Let's hope so.

[ck4829]

50. Kick

[redstatebluegirl]

51. My bet is a bunch of them voted for Trump. Buyers remorse is great.

[Solly Mack]

53. I'm sure many of them did.

[kwassa]

54. Maybe it will be like Nixon and Watergate ....

The ones most deeply angry about it were the ones who had voted for and supported Nixon. They felt betrayed, and were furious.

[Solly Mack]

55. Some of them did sound betrayed.

So, maybe. I think they will remember.

[avebury]

57. What do they think about the fact that Veterans benefits (GI Bill)

have not been paid for months? That rests squarely on the Trump administration. I feel sorry for the members of the military and veterans who did not vote for Trump and the Rethugs. But those that did vote for Trump and the Rethugs played a role in putting someone in the White House who disrespects the military and a Republican controlled Federal Government that haven't bothered to pay veterans what is owed to them. The gun issue is the least of the problems for Veterans.

[Solly Mack]

59. We didn't get around to that. Veterans Day was the on their minds.

But my husband will bring it up with them. He plans on it when he goes in to work on the 14th. He's a retiree.

[Ilsa]

58. The first minute of this youtube clip is how trump sees the military.

From the Godfather, Part II, a flashback, first minute:

[Solly Mack]

60. I wouldn't doubt it.

[Ilsa]

78. Zero family members in service over

known generations in US. No one in the family has a "war story" or other experience to discuss, even in peace time. I suspect the narcissist looks down his nose at anyone who believes in serving country or mankind, whether in medicine, military, religion or counseling. That's for other people, "saps" as Sonny would say.

[Solly Mack]

80. And yet Trump likes to pretend military high school makes him a tactician.

[Ilsa]

82. His tactical acumen extends only as far as how

to "grab pussy," and he was good at that only because his father had money.

[malaise]

62. Excellent

It's only downhill from here for the vile MAGAcretin.
I can't wait for the complete unraveling.

[Solly Mack]

63. I hope they take this moment to learn more.

Even if it is only a handful - that's something.

And if they tell two friends...and so on.

Funny - but word of mouth does work.

[malaise]

69. +1,000

The Con has run out of tricks - the wannabe emperor is naked.
The Democratic Party humiliated and the media dared to finally admit that the wave sent him crashing into rocks on a beach.
So, as MineralMan said, he's hiding.

[lagomorph777]

66. He's flushed another GOP voting block down the toilet.

What a fucking moron.

[Solly Mack]

67. I hope so. I hope they stay offended.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

70. I know more than one trumpanzee whose sons are marines.

That seems to fuel their conservatism.

[Solly Mack]

72. My MIL was that way. Met a lot of parents who are the same.

Like once they have a soldier son/daughter they have to start spouting ignorance.

She (my MIL) and I butted heads a lot. She's too sick to go on the offensive now.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

81. It's infuriating but what can you do?

When the right 2x4 comes along and womps them in the face, personally, then they’ll get it. Maybe.

[H2O Man]

71. Recommended.

Trump made a major error.

[Solly Mack]

94. Thank you.

It does seem like it. I hope other troops were having the same talk on other posts/bases.

[ailsagirl]

84. Yep

I do feel bad for them-- they don't deserve such disdain, such alienation

[Solly Mack]

89. I was surprised by the collective reaction. No one defended Trump.

Now if only they remember how they felt then when it comes time to vote again.

[ailsagirl]

93. I'm glad that no one defended that cretin

I am feeling quite confident they will remember this come election day

This is too devastating to forget

[Solly Mack]

105. They sounded truly hurt. Like someone they expected more from letting them down.

It was in their voices and written all over their faces.

I had to bite back on the snark. I thought it better to just let them talk with me listening.

[ailsagirl]

123. Definitely better

That is very sad

[DeminPennswoods]

85. MSNBC showed a poll yesterday that had Trump approve/disapprove

from the military split about 48/48 approve/disapprove.

[Solly Mack]

90. I can believe that. I only talked with a few but I run across many others

who don't support him.

I also come across Trump true believers. I try to avoid them.

I actually try to avoid a lot of people in this very small rural southern city.

[Squinch]

115. Polls tend to lag. I bet that disapproval grows by next week.

[mucifer]

153. for a republican president that's awful

[flibbitygiblets]

87. Also please remind them of the time Rump accepted a Purple Heart that a vet gave him

without a trace of shame or irony, and even said "I always wanted one of these". Just unbelievable from a guy with numerous deferments for "bone spurs"; a guy who'd recently disrespected a gold star family while on the campaign trail.

Where were your neighbors' outraged voices then?

[Solly Mack]

92. Didn't ask. Just happened to be around a group of soldiers yesterday.

[ailsagirl]

95. Oh yeah-- almost forgot that

[flibbitygiblets]

119. So many indignities... hard to remember them all

[ailsagirl]

124. "indignities"-- perfect word for it

also ignominy, mortification

[jon k]

97. But, but, the RAIN!!!

[Solly Mack]

100. lol! Yeah, that excuse got a lot of laughter and derision.

[area51]

152. Yeah,

from a guy who claimed that he'd had run into a school without a weapon in order to save kids.

[eleny]

99. In the end it's better that they understand him as quickly as possible

But my heart aches for those who serve during this administration. I hope they know that we don't forget their service, challenges and sacrifice.

[Solly Mack]

102. I was happy that they were speaking out against how he behaved.

Every little bit that chips away at Trump's support is a good thing.

When the subject first came up I braced myself for people defending Trump but no one did. They were all angry.

[eleny]

106. I'm glad that they were ticked off

Jumping right over sad to being irate is so much better. He's only been in office for two years and now they know about him.

I see him as someone who fears everyone including his family and the military. That leads right into resentment towards everyone. Nobody is exempt. So taking the House has given us, like Howard Zinn used to say, a ledge to stand on from which we can begin to make necessary change.

[Solly Mack]

107. A ledge is good. I miss Zinn.

[eleny]

108. Me, too! I would love to have heard his commentary these past two years

[keithbvadu2]

101. Military expert Donald knows more than the generals.

Military expert Donald knows more than the generals.

Trump... Cadet Bone Spurs' Military Medal

Trump’s Neatness and Order Medal.

https://popularmilitary.com/donald-trump-says-going-to-military-academy-is-like-serving-in-the-military/



the medal





std's

Actually, Donald did get a Purple Heart...

[Solly Mack]

103. Mister "I Alone" can fix it gets defeated by drizzle.

He'd lie about his own death if he could.

[suffragette]

110. He only attends events where he's the center of attention. Can't take a moment to honor others'

sacrifices. Respecting others and shifting the spotlight from himself is not in him.

[Solly Mack]

112. He really thought he'd have a Bastille Day repeat.

Then when it finally got through that thick layer of stupid, he pitched a fit.

[suffragette]

116. Yes. House take back, then no parade. He's in full tantrum mode, with a side helping of sulking.

His sullen interactions with Macron demonstrated that.

[Solly Mack]

117. And he's firing people.

He's truly pathetic.

[suffragette]

122. Again? Who is he firing now?

[Solly Mack]

125. More like rumors of who is to go next - so more like gearing up to fire people.

I think he makes him feel better to fire people and then blame them for everything.


There is that person Melania is supposed to have wanted out. The Bolton deputy. She was fired today. Mira Ricardel.

I wonder if Trump wanted to strike a blow at Bolton and Melania is providing cover.

Though I can believe Trump allowing his wife or daughter or sons to fire people.

I would use the plural (daughters) but I'm not convinced Trump even likes Tiffany.

[suffragette]

137. So fitting that his tag line was "You're fired" rather than 'You're hired." All about negative power

Interesting that this might be a passive aggressive action against Bolton.
The only people he seems to be happy about are his kids (minus Tiffany and maybe Eric) and Putin.
It was striking that the smile he beamed at Putin seemed to be one of the few genuine ones he’s flashed.

[Solly Mack]

141. Empowering others isn't a Trump thing, so power for him would be all negative

and all flowing outward. No chance for anyone else to be anything but a follower. You're right - it is fitting. And sad.

I'd feel pity for him if he wasn't causing so much suffering for others.

[spiderpig]

111. V for Vendetta is a fantasic film that i watch every November 5

"People shouldn't be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of the people.'

Awesome film/

[Solly Mack]

113. I enjoy that movie too.

Especially the explosion.

[Ferrets are Cool]

118. Your post is encouraging, but if they ONLY NOW started being

stunned, then something is badly wrong with them.

[Solly Mack]

120. I think it was a case of one more thing. But this really bothered them. A lot.

This was a case of something so obvious to them - the CinC performs certain duties - they just do. But Trump didn't.

Lots of people in the military do not support Trump. I just never know who does and doesn't at first glance.

There are true believers, of course. Too many.

I was pleased to hear them though. Surprised at the complete agreement on Trump.

I usually avoid soldiers in a gathering because I'm not exactly subtle. You may have noticed.

But this time I just listened - probably because I was so surprised.

[Ferrets are Cool]

121. +1

[Crowman2009]

126. Well this veteran (among many others) never liked the orange shitgibbon to begin with.

I knew he was a self-serving egotistical asshole a long time ago. Anyone who a has read about him in the media over the past few decades, or is from the New York metro area would tell you the same thing.

I was hating Drumpfy-dumpy before it was the cool thing to do.

[Solly Mack]

127. I never liked him either. Never got the fascination.

And now I truly loathe the fucker.

[world wide wally]

130. face it vets and GI's...

He doesn't give a fuck about you either.

[Solly Mack]

132. A lot of them know that already. Hopefully, more will realize it too.

[marehare]

131. trump disrespect of service people and Vets.

Since dotard took office, he's cut child care aid for military families, is working on privatizing the VA and plans to cut Military pensions. He also wouldn't get off his butt to honor our vets at Arlington or in France. More reasons that show he's unfit to lead. I hope more military both active and past will wake up and realize trump could care less about them, and the GOP by staying silent support his disrespect also.

[Solly Mack]

133. I hope so too.

[yardwork]

134. Good. It's good that they are waking up to the truth about Trump.

[Solly Mack]

138. I think so. Maybe more and more will.

[Cha]

136. I was saying yesterday when Lt Colonel

Ralph Peters gave his explanation for trump bailing on the Memorials.. that I hoped the rest of the military realized this very important fact.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11421178

Thank You for this report, Solly Mack.. There should be blowback on trump for his despicable display of disrespect.

[Solly Mack]

139. If what I heard was happening on posts and bases all over, then maybe more

and more are seeing Trump for what he really is - and isn't.

I like thinking that others were having the same talk throughout the military.

Maybe they were.

Thanks, Cha.

[Cha]

140. Thank You, Solly..

[Small-Axe]

145. Soldiers and Veterans are not happy and locally (CA) those who are very grateful to firefighters...

are also steamed.

This includes people in Trump's "base."

His undoing will be in making too many enemies.

[Solly Mack]

155. Lot of reasons for people to despise the man.

He seems to be angering more and more people.

A good thing.

That people are getting mad, that is.

[Honeycombe8]

147. That really was beyond the pale, even for Trump. He's usu. big on pomp & photo ops.

He was a no show at Arlington Memorial here, too.

[Solly Mack]

154. That is so true. He never passes up the chance to preen.

Until now.

[keithbvadu2]

156. Trump does honor some military members

Trump does honor some military members

[Solly Mack]

158. Excellent point!

[A HERETIC I AM]

167. It occurs to me that the hat reminds me of something

[Demonaut]

157. and we had no warning.................John MCain

I knew it as soon as I heard him diss John and his service

[Solly Mack]

159. So true.

[Takket]

160. i wish the media would be more outspoken about his hatred of the troops

Obama received far more scrutiny for saluting with a cup than drumpf has.

But at least the soldiers are getting the picture.

would be nice to see some polling in the military. if he loses them, most of his base might go with them.

[Solly Mack]

164. Me, too! It's obvious with many examples for the press to talk about.

[ecstatic]

161. The Cali remarks really hurt him as well

Apparently a lot of the people affected by the fires were in republican strongholds.

Looks like trump has dropped all pretenses, even with regard to his base.

[Solly Mack]

163. They should be pissed at him for his comments.

His ignorance could doom us all.

[samplegirl]

165. Another self centered gesture

that should not be left silent. Media should of run with this. These soldiers should be interviewed!

[Solly Mack]

168. Unless the rules have changed active duty require permission to talk to journalists.

And we both can imagine how Trump would treat an active duty soldier who did speak out against him to the press. ("enemy of the people" )

His ego wouldn't be able to stand it.

I'm just happy the conversation went the way it did. It's something - that collective anger at Trump. A small something, but something.

Hope all is well with you!

[Nitram]

170. If that didn't make conservative service members and retired vets sit up and take stock, nothing

will.

[Solly Mack]

172. I agree wholeheartedly.

[spanone]

171. didn't these folks see him shit on McCain and the Gold Star Family?

[Solly Mack]

173. Yes, but this was seen as an insult to them more so than the other.

People are strange.

[spanone]

174. I am happy for their awareness.....it was just a matter of time till he got to them personally

[Nitram]

175. Good observation. Give Trump enough time and he will eventually alienate EVERYBODY, from

his worst enemies to his strongest supporters .