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Nancy Pelosi is FANTASTIC and just orchestrated, with much help of course, the LARGEST (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 OP
Who attacks her because of women winnng elections? wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #1
They attack her because she's elderly an ignore her effectiveness. lark Nov 2018 #70
K & R and a thank you. pazzyanne Nov 2018 #74
Many here on DU said that she was the main reason Dems lost the House 2010. ehrnst Nov 2018 #71
Nancy rocks! mcar Nov 2018 #2
And, she will be excited welcoming our young leaders into their roles, and strive for their success. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #3
Yes, it is a given, who she is and what she does. Hortensis Nov 2018 #20
Yeah! Iliyah Nov 2018 #4
I love Nancy and expect she will once again hold the gavel. leftofcool Nov 2018 #5
Who attacked her? It sure as fuck wasn't the newly elected POC Autumn Nov 2018 #6
Why do you bring her, specifically, into this discussion? George II Nov 2018 #8
Why? You missed part of my post, it's really self explanatory. Autumn Nov 2018 #11
I didn't miss it, and still am wondering. George II Nov 2018 #13
You are? Please don't lose any sleep wondering about it. I can't make it any clearer. Autumn Nov 2018 #17
Yes you can. Eliot was referencing the flip of dozens of House seats, not singling out any. Yet.... George II Nov 2018 #48
It's a mystery for the ages! Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #64
It is. I was thinking if I diagram the sentences it might help but I haven't done Autumn Nov 2018 #67
Time for a break! pazzyanne Nov 2018 #75
I wish I could get a break. Autumn Nov 2018 #76
The break comes from yourself, not others. pazzyanne Nov 2018 #78
Really? Go for that mountain, I don't plan on dying on a hill or a mountain. Autumn Nov 2018 #79
Thank you for sharing your wisdom, dear! pazzyanne Nov 2018 #81
Wisdom/sarcasm. Six of one, half dozen of the other. Autumn Nov 2018 #82
I rest my case, Autumn. pazzyanne Nov 2018 #84
So you say my friend. I disagree. Autumn Nov 2018 #85
I can't think of a single other Congressperson, man or woman, that I'd like to see as Speaker. George II Nov 2018 #7
Who is attacking her? SubjectTrip Nov 2018 #9
Go to the upper left, click on "General Discussion", and scan the titles of the discussion threads.. George II Nov 2018 #15
Well, for one, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez participated in a sit-in yesterday outside Nancy''s office, pnwmom Nov 2018 #21
According to Politico,... LudwigPastorius Nov 2018 #44
Interesting SubjectTrip Nov 2018 #49
Because he is NOT attacking Pelosi. He's in line for a DIFFERENT JOB. pnwmom Nov 2018 #52
No, he has the support he needs to remain MAJORITY LEADER. That''s not the same thing pnwmom Nov 2018 #51
Sorry, my bad. LudwigPastorius Nov 2018 #56
No problem. I had to read the article to make sure. But whatever's causing you pnwmom Nov 2018 #58
Thanks. LudwigPastorius Nov 2018 #60
AOC and Pelosi have a cordial and respectful relationship SubjectTrip Nov 2018 #47
And Ms. Cortez hasn't even been sworn in yet, either. George II Nov 2018 #50
I was gonna add more to certain stuff but not worth it. No point. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #97
These 4 Me. Nov 2018 #27
They need to realize that the reason that the GOP is terrified of Nancy is the reason GemDigger Nov 2018 #29
Me too. ffr Nov 2018 #10
You simply couldn't Resist ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #23
The best thing about Nancy is that it pisses off the right Drahthaardogs Nov 2018 #12
Repugs hate her because she's boss who doesn't take shit. brush Nov 2018 #28
Tough as nails. Lefta Dissenter Nov 2018 #14
She is the best person for the job at this time. ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #16
At this juncture in American history, we cannot afford to hand over the most critical responsibility Mr. Ected Nov 2018 #18
Agreed. Some may not realize that there will be an unoccupied... brush Nov 2018 #32
Stenny Hoyer, currently Assistant Minority Leader will easily become yellowdogintexas Nov 2018 #100
This bears repeating. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2018 #19
K & R x 1000 pazzyanne Nov 2018 #80
So much this eom littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #98
Democrat YES... Dolly123Jimmy Nov 2018 #22
This infighting bullshittery has to stop now! ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #24
Tell that to Elliot -- the bullshittery that is. KPN Nov 2018 #94
She orchestrated? SCantiGOP Nov 2018 #25
Why are you picking out ONE of the many to say that Nancy really didnt do all that much? Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #33
I picked out the race I was directly involved in SCantiGOP Nov 2018 #36
See, Eliot, Pelosi gets criticized here when Democrats lose mcar Nov 2018 #69
Some of the millions she raised probably when into that race. brush Nov 2018 #34
How about the other 40 seats that flipped last Tuesday? Funny how when Democrats LOST... George II Nov 2018 #38
This one kinda goes both ways zipplewrath Nov 2018 #86
Some fear her. lpbk2713 Nov 2018 #26
My Congresswoman is the best man for the job! We have a lot of icebergs up ahead, and she's the one NBachers Nov 2018 #30
Thank You! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2018 #31
love her AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #35
She got help from Trump Le Gaucher Nov 2018 #37
Nancy Pelosi deserves a lot of credit.. of course Cha Nov 2018 #41
Its pretty stupid to think we wouldn't pick our current majority leader to be our speaker... phleshdef Nov 2018 #39
In another post I stated I was ok with Hoyer LostinRed Nov 2018 #40
It said Hoyer wasn't running for Cha Nov 2018 #42
Right. Speaker of the House and Majority Leader are two different jobs. pnwmom Nov 2018 #53
Thanks, pnwmom! Cha Nov 2018 #54
My mistake need a civics lesson LostinRed Nov 2018 #63
It was confusing.. Cha Nov 2018 #65
Emily's List is also partly responsible for so many great female candidates. BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #43
Elijah Cummings on Nancy Pelosi.. Cha Nov 2018 #45
How come DownriverDem Nov 2018 #46
Face time, publicity, and........................ George II Nov 2018 #57
Actually I believe only one did so. The others were probably at their orientation sessions. George II Nov 2018 #90
Nancy may be fantastic, but her national approval rating is 35% AdamGG Nov 2018 #55
Speaker of the House isn't a popularity contest. Tip O'Neill did a great job as speaker pnwmom Nov 2018 #59
Actually, Tip O'Neill was Speaker for 10 years, from 1977-1987 AdamGG Nov 2018 #61
The only reason her popularity is low is because DT has demonized her. Why should we pnwmom Nov 2018 #62
Speaker of the House is not a national office workinclasszero Nov 2018 #99
It's not a "figurehead" job. It's 3rd in line. annabanana Nov 2018 #103
And, these guys are fighting to take down Nancy Cha Nov 2018 #66
She raised tons of $$ for Democratic election efforts mcar Nov 2018 #68
I like Nancy as Speaker but I certainly don't credit her with the Dems victory Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #72
The popular DU opinion when we've lost is that it isn't the Speaker's fault. MadDAsHell Nov 2018 #73
before 2020 as speaker feasible she could become first female potus (acting potus, not elected) nt wiggs Nov 2018 #77
Lame. aikoaiko Nov 2018 #83
Repigs in Congress or whatever you bdamomma Nov 2018 #87
This is not the time for "on the job training" karin_sj Nov 2018 #88
Pelosi has said herself that . . . peggysue2 Nov 2018 #89
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2018 #91
Love Nancy NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #92
I really like and support Pelosi. KPN Nov 2018 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #95
Hear hear! Dennis Donovan Nov 2018 #96
We're in the middle of a battle Ciaphas Cain Nov 2018 #101
Going after nancy right now is like firing a coach after her team wins the Super Bowl. ☺ Sloumeau Nov 2018 #102
Excellent analogy! NurseJackie Nov 2018 #104

lark

(23,073 posts)
70. They attack her because she's elderly an ignore her effectiveness.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:17 AM
Nov 2018

Shallow people. Yes, we need new blood, but right now we need to hang together more and so we need the greatest vote counter and fund raiser for the next 2 years. During that time she can develop new people, saw a suggestion of her appointing a deputy to make announcements and groom that person. I think that's an awesome suggestion, very effective in lots of ways. I hate this ageism against women that doesn't seem to apply if it's a guy.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
71. Many here on DU said that she was the main reason Dems lost the House 2010.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:22 AM
Nov 2018

So, it's appropriate that she also be given credit then, when we win.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
3. And, she will be excited welcoming our young leaders into their roles, and strive for their success.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:34 PM
Nov 2018

I am sure. It is a given.

Autumn

(45,006 posts)
6. Who attacked her? It sure as fuck wasn't the newly elected POC
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:42 PM
Nov 2018

Congresswoman Ocasia-Cortez like Fox news is implying.

George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Why do you bring her, specifically, into this discussion?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:46 PM
Nov 2018

I don't think Eliot's comment was specific or directed toward anyone in particular.

Autumn

(45,006 posts)
17. You are? Please don't lose any sleep wondering about it. I can't make it any clearer.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:04 PM
Nov 2018
Who attacked her? It sure as fuck wasn't the newly elected POC
Congresswoman Ocasia-Cortez like Fox news is implying.

George II

(67,782 posts)
48. Yes you can. Eliot was referencing the flip of dozens of House seats, not singling out any. Yet....
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:52 PM
Nov 2018

.......you zero in on only one. Also, there were 40 newly elected Democrats in the House/Senate, 18 of which are POC.

I don't understand why only one of them drew your attention.

Autumn

(45,006 posts)
67. It is. I was thinking if I diagram the sentences it might help but I haven't done
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:01 AM
Nov 2018

that in well over half a century. If I screw it up I can only imagine the angst it would cause.

pazzyanne

(6,546 posts)
78. The break comes from yourself, not others.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:56 AM
Nov 2018

When you start a bruhaha, be sure it is a hill you want to die on. I prefer to die on mountains. That may just be me, however.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. I can't think of a single other Congressperson, man or woman, that I'd like to see as Speaker.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:44 PM
Nov 2018

She really knows how to get things done, and done the right way.

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. Go to the upper left, click on "General Discussion", and scan the titles of the discussion threads..
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:01 PM
Nov 2018

....for a page or two.

You'll get your answer.

pnwmom

(108,963 posts)
21. Well, for one, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez participated in a sit-in yesterday outside Nancy''s office,
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:25 PM
Nov 2018

protesting about climate change.

Even though Nancy is NOT YET SPEAKER and she's already announced it will be a priority when she is.

 

SubjectTrip

(79 posts)
49. Interesting
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:54 PM
Nov 2018

Why is there not a ~300 reply thread about how Steny is ATTACKING Pelosi?

Can't possibly be because he's not a young woman of color, right? Right?

pnwmom

(108,963 posts)
52. Because he is NOT attacking Pelosi. He's in line for a DIFFERENT JOB.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:02 PM
Nov 2018

There are two separate positions: Speaker of the House. (Speaks for the whole House). And majority leader -- leads the Democrats in the House.

pnwmom

(108,963 posts)
51. No, he has the support he needs to remain MAJORITY LEADER. That''s not the same thing
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:00 PM
Nov 2018

as Speaker of the House. He will remain the leader of the Democratic (now majority) party. She's the Speaker for the whole House.

LudwigPastorius

(9,117 posts)
56. Sorry, my bad.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:26 PM
Nov 2018

I wondered why it wasn’t being talked about here.

My brain is fried. I haven’t been getting more than 5 hours of sleep for about three weeks now.

As Emily Litella used to say, “Nevermind”.

pnwmom

(108,963 posts)
58. No problem. I had to read the article to make sure. But whatever's causing you
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:32 PM
Nov 2018

to get so little sleep lately, I hope you can fix it!

 

SubjectTrip

(79 posts)
47. AOC and Pelosi have a cordial and respectful relationship
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:51 PM
Nov 2018

If you see her actions as an attack that's because you want to see them that way.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
97. I was gonna add more to certain stuff but not worth it. No point.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:53 PM
Nov 2018


Said I am a Democrat and was attacked for saying it on Democratic Underground.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
27. These 4
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:50 PM
Nov 2018

Abigail Spanberger (Va.), Jason Crow (Colo.), Joe Cunningham (S.C.) and Max Rose (N.Y.). are making it plain they will vote to give the GOP and Trump what they really, really want. No more Nancy.

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
29. They need to realize that the reason that the GOP is terrified of Nancy is the reason
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:54 PM
Nov 2018

that they need her. Country over party!

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
12. The best thing about Nancy is that it pisses off the right
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:58 PM
Nov 2018

Plus she is Italian American and embraces her ethnicity. I get so tired of the mafia references to every person with a name that ends in a vowel.

brush

(53,751 posts)
28. Repugs hate her because she's boss who doesn't take shit.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:50 PM
Nov 2018

Also because she a Democrat from that left-leaning City by the Bay. Fuck them.

As to why some on the left are going after I'll never get. She raised millions, more than any other Dem, during this election cycle which helped elect some of the ones who are now saying they don't know if they will support her.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
14. Tough as nails.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:01 PM
Nov 2018

I think she’s under-appreciated because so much of her work is behind the scenes. I admire her strength, courage and tenacity.

ismnotwasm

(41,970 posts)
16. She is the best person for the job at this time.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:03 PM
Nov 2018

I would her to mentor another young woman of color specifically, and as she’s a great mentor, I’m sure this will happen. People forget Nancy Pelosi was the first female speaker of the house, and we can also look forward to the first African American of either sex to finally, become speaker of the house.

We, Democrats, are making a lot of things happen in these few decades, a lot of firsts going on, or are on the edge. Republicans can cause horrific damage to the emerging social structure, but they can’t stop it.

Nancy Pelosi, being one of the firsts is an invaluable resource.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
18. At this juncture in American history, we cannot afford to hand over the most critical responsibility
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:08 PM
Nov 2018

To a newbie.

Period.

Nancy Pelosi is the right Congresswoman at the right time. It is her destiny to lead us out of this quagmire. If not Nancy, who the hell else?

brush

(53,751 posts)
32. Agreed. Some may not realize that there will be an unoccupied...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:00 PM
Nov 2018

leadership position second to the Speaker—the majority leader.

Let's see if this spot is filled by a new, younger person elevated into a leadership position. Or maybe Hoyer will move up and his whip position will be open for a newbie learning the ropes of leadership.



yellowdogintexas

(22,235 posts)
100. Stenny Hoyer, currently Assistant Minority Leader will easily become
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:22 PM
Nov 2018

House Majority Leader. Stenny's current post will be where someone newer will be. Not brand new but someone who has the potential plus in this job the ability to round up the votes; brand new members are going to be learning how to do the jobs they were elected to do by their constituents. Speaker Wright used to say it took a full term to really get it going.

There will be plenty of mentoring and opportunities for rising in the House organization. Not just by Nancy either; there are a number of formidable members of the House who can and will spot the raw talent and help them move along.

We do not need: an inexperienced person in any of the top leadership positions. We do not need: internal strife and bickering in the party. We do need a united front, our votes locked down and members who can pull in someone from the opposition if needed. We do need the strongest, toughest, most experienced person we can get as Speaker. Her name is Nancy Pelosi.

DinahMoeHum

(21,781 posts)
19. This bears repeating. . .
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:18 PM
Nov 2018

The Speaker of the House is the 2nd in line of succession to the POTUS position
POTUS
VPOTUS (1st in succession)
Speaker of the House (2nd in succession)

So Democrats better make damn sure they have someone who is qualified for that possibility,
and that possibility may not be that far-fetched.

Remember, we are not living in normal times right now.

Just sayin'.

Dolly123Jimmy

(26 posts)
22. Democrat YES...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:26 PM
Nov 2018

Lets stay together....

So many of the newly elected have said ...No to Pelosi

We need to stay together

Yes to Nancy

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
24. This infighting bullshittery has to stop now!
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:29 PM
Nov 2018

Nancy knows strategy. Nancy knows how to get things done. Hurray for Nancy!

SCantiGOP

(13,867 posts)
25. She orchestrated?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:39 PM
Nov 2018

Hyperbole much?
We turned a seat in SC Democratic for the first time in 40 years.
The winner stated during the campaign that he would not vote for Pelosi. Don’t think she gets credit for that seat.

Politics is still local.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
33. Why are you picking out ONE of the many to say that Nancy really didnt do all that much?
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:03 PM
Nov 2018

I am guilty of hyperbole?

REALLY?

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

You are right, what was I THINKING supporting our LEADER on Democratic Underground

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

SCantiGOP

(13,867 posts)
36. I picked out the race I was directly involved in
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:10 PM
Nov 2018

Was not really making any comment on her as potential Speaker, just saying that it is preposterous to say that she “orchestrated” the nationwide campaign.
There were dozens of races where anti-Pelosi was the main tactic of the GOP candidate, and they won many of those.

She is not “our leader,” that honorific goes to President Obama.

Didn’t mean to make you grrrrrrrr.

mcar

(42,283 posts)
69. See, Eliot, Pelosi gets criticized here when Democrats lose
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:12 AM
Nov 2018

but isn't allowed to get credit when we win.

She made it very clear that she wanted Democratic candidates to do what they needed to do to win in their districts. It didn't bother her when some said they wouldn't support her.

brush

(53,751 posts)
34. Some of the millions she raised probably when into that race.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:04 PM
Nov 2018

People need to chill on getting rid of such an experience, qualified leader.

And think about this, the slot just under the Speaker, the House Majority Leader, will be vacant once Nancy Pelosi regains her Speakership. Install a young, newbie in that spot to learn the ropes of leadership.

George II

(67,782 posts)
38. How about the other 40 seats that flipped last Tuesday? Funny how when Democrats LOST...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:13 PM
Nov 2018

....seats in the House over the last several years it was Pelosi's fault. Now we've GAINED seats and Pelosi had nothing to do with it.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
86. This one kinda goes both ways
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 11:23 AM
Nov 2018

When I mentioned that the democratic party was in the worst shape since reconstruction after the 2016 election, I was told Nancy had nothing to do with that, even though she had been in one leadership position or another for at least 10 years. So now after one election that the democrats have earned a large number of seats in the House, but lost them in the Senate, this is supposed to be evidence of Nancy's power and influence? Which is it?

FWIW, the GOP's number one concern was that they don't have a fund raising vehicle like Act Blue.

NBachers

(17,095 posts)
30. My Congresswoman is the best man for the job! We have a lot of icebergs up ahead, and she's the one
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:54 PM
Nov 2018

who can best navigate them.

Proud to live in Nancy Pelosi's district, and to vote for her every time.

 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
37. She got help from Trump
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:11 PM
Nov 2018

Not saying she had no positive contribution to the tally. But in statistics there is something called confounding where more than one factor drives the dependent variable.

There is no way for us measure the impact of each.. We would need a counterfactual - ie what if someone else was the president ( and possibly a Democratic president) But considerthe following

A large number women tossed their hat in the ring/marched/organized either because of Trump or the Me too movement. I personally know a few of them. I dont know of a single case who was inspired by Pelosi.

If Hillary had been the president, going by past elections, Democrats would have lost seats.

Many Republicans in my town voted for Democratic Malinowski - because they wanted a congress to check Trump. I highly doubt Pelosi figured much in their calculations.


So as I said Pelosi maybe a net positive - but to lay all the gains in this election at her feet is going a bit far.

Oh and by the way - I am a Democrat too. I am an elected Democratic committee member of my district.

Cha

(296,958 posts)
41. Nancy Pelosi deserves a lot of credit.. of course
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:26 PM
Nov 2018

she didn't do it by herself..



Amanpour interviews Congressman-elect Tom Malinowski (D flipped seat that was R since '81)

snip//

I want to play something that maybe speaker, certainly Leader Pelosi said to me in September because a lot of people said well you know what, the Democrats don't really have a message to complete with Make America Great Again.

There's no slogan, there's no clear strategy but this is where she laid out in September.

What we're about in our campaign is that we are for the people, for lower health care costs, lowering prescription drug prices.

We're for raising pay checks, lowering healthcare costs, increasing paychecks by building the infrastructure of America and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the people's interest, not the special interests are served here in the United States Capitol.

So there she was laying out a strategy and one that clearly is a winning strategy

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/congressman-elect-tom-malinowski/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11406195

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
39. Its pretty stupid to think we wouldn't pick our current majority leader to be our speaker...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:13 PM
Nov 2018

...after just winning the house.

I kinda think she has alluded to the notion that she might step aside after we have all our ducks in a row. Thats her decision either way. Currently, she is the best equipped and most common sense choice.

LostinRed

(840 posts)
40. In another post I stated I was ok with Hoyer
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:19 PM
Nov 2018

I take that back. Nancy Pelosi deserves the post back she did a great job last time we in the Democratic Party let Republicans scare us. They make Nancy Pelosi a boogeyman. Well they’re going to do that anyway the best person for the job is Pelosi.

Cha

(296,958 posts)
42. It said Hoyer wasn't running for
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:29 PM
Nov 2018

Nancy's job.. The Leader not the Speaker.

That's the way I understood it.

pnwmom

(108,963 posts)
53. Right. Speaker of the House and Majority Leader are two different jobs.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:04 PM
Nov 2018

And the third major job in leadership would be the majority whip.

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
46. How come
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:33 PM
Nov 2018

the new women reps protested at Nancy's office about climate change? Nancy supports climate change. I don't get it.

AdamGG

(1,287 posts)
55. Nancy may be fantastic, but her national approval rating is 35%
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:23 PM
Nov 2018
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/nancy_pelosi_favorableunfavorable-6673.html

I've always liked Nancy Pelosi, but I'm strongly in favor of anything that maximizes Democrats' chances of securing the greatest number of seats in national/state elections in 2020, to be able to reverse gerrymandering to the greatest degree after the 2020 census.

For PR purposes, I don't think it's unreasonable to have a new figurehead. Twelve years is a long tenure. She's more underwater in approval polls than Trump is and he's going to try to run against her like he did with Hillary. She's very good at her job, but she could do a lot of it as the Whip.

pnwmom

(108,963 posts)
59. Speaker of the House isn't a popularity contest. Tip O'Neill did a great job as speaker
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:37 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:40 AM - Edit history (1)

because he knew the rules and how to get bills passed. But I bet his national popularity was never higher than Nancy's.

Your use of the word "figurehead" is telling. The job is anything but a figurehead. It's not about branding. It's about working with hundreds of House members and with the Senate to get legislation passed. It requires intricate knowledge of arcane rules, and experience negotiating with hundreds of people. No newbie will arrive with that knowledge or experience.

AdamGG

(1,287 posts)
61. Actually, Tip O'Neill was Speaker for 10 years, from 1977-1987
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:08 AM
Nov 2018

And even when Reagan was at his peak, I doubt O'Neill's approval rating was 20+ points underwater. We should appreciate Nancy Pelosi's abilities and all that she has done, but being pragmatic, I don't see why she couldn't perform many of the same tasks from the Whip position.

In today's media, the Speaker has de facto taken on the role of representative of the party, especially when they don't hold the Presidency. Ryan & Boehner were seen as representative of the Republicans to a degree that Dennis Hastert wasn't.

pnwmom

(108,963 posts)
62. The only reason her popularity is low is because DT has demonized her. Why should we
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:42 AM
Nov 2018

reward him for that?

He's demonized her because that's what he does with strong, smart, effective leaders who happen to be women. All the more reason to support her now.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
99. Speaker of the House is not a national office
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:22 PM
Nov 2018

So no worries.

You pick the best democrat for the job which is by a country mile, Nancy Pelosi!

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
103. It's not a "figurehead" job. It's 3rd in line.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:18 PM
Nov 2018

I want experience and political savvy in that job.

Those polls are of the whole populace, subject to relentless hammering by RW talking points. They mean nothing. She will be a wonderful teacher for all the newbies.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
72. I like Nancy as Speaker but I certainly don't credit her with the Dems victory
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:23 AM
Nov 2018

I think that is pretty ridiculous.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
73. The popular DU opinion when we've lost is that it isn't the Speaker's fault.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:37 AM
Nov 2018

I’m not sure why we would reverse that opinion and suddenly give credit just because we won.

I agree with other posters, politics is local. Speaker Pelosi no more deserves credit for the recent win than she deserved any credit for the hundreds of lost seats over the previous 8 years.

aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
83. Lame.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 11:08 AM
Nov 2018


This is lame framing of a serious discussion.

I support Pelosi being speaker for the next 2 years and working on transitional leadership.

I welcome the conversation about leadership because I am a Democrat. And I think you should too.

karin_sj

(808 posts)
88. This is not the time for "on the job training"
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 12:18 PM
Nov 2018

We can't afford to have someone new to lead the House at this point in time. Nancy is experienced, savvy, and strong. The Republicans hate her and would love to see her out because she is an effective leader. This should tell us all we need to know about keeping her at the helm! I wish the Democrats who want her out would STFU. She will retire when after our country is stable again.

peggysue2

(10,825 posts)
89. Pelosi has said herself that . . .
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:03 PM
Nov 2018

she sees her role as a bridge to future Democratic leadership. To reach that future, we need the most experienced, savvy and seasoned leader at the helm in this moment, possibly the most critical time in the country's history. Nancy Pelosi has the knowledge and grit to move us into 2020 and a successful presidential election. Then and only then can I envision her stepping aside and handing the gavel to a new generation of Dems.

But we have to get there first. And as you suggest, she'll retire when the country is on stable ground. To push her out now is suicidal, not merely for the Party but the country as a whole. You don't retire your best player when the contest is as rough as it can be. You retire that player after the win is secure.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
92. Love Nancy
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:30 PM
Nov 2018

I love her because she's smart. I love her because she's dedicated to the Democratic Party. I love her because she's experienced. I love her because she knows the process and the players.

Most of all, I love her because she's a BADASS the Republicans fear.

KPN

(15,641 posts)
93. I really like and support Pelosi.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:30 PM
Nov 2018

Having said and fully meaning that: Oh Brother. This I’m a Democrat crap is arrogant, self righteous and divisive. It pits “real” democrats against real democrats. Sort of like the whole GOP patriots schtick, but that at least puts them against us. Geesh.

Response to KPN (Reply #93)

Ciaphas Cain

(124 posts)
101. We're in the middle of a battle
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:16 PM
Nov 2018

You don't change your commander in the middle of a battle. Especially after she won such a decisive victory.

This would be like firing Washington after the Siege of Yorktown.

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