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I don't understand this at all. They still have to learn how the House functions. The have to understand that body's complicated andn often senseless rules. They have to learn how to introduce a bill. They have to learn how to sponsor legislation. They have to learn how to get along with their fellow members.
Being Speaker of the House requires an extensive knowledge of House rules and procedures. It demands a thorough understanding of the nuances that can make the difference between adoption and rejection of bills. It's not an honorary position. It'd hard, grueling work that requires experience, knowledge and wit.
I don't get it.
LakeArenal
(28,729 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)became President through that line of succession. That would be the least of my concerns, really.
In It to Win It
(8,143 posts)All bets are off
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)as long as the Senate has a GOP majority. And, even if he were, there's Mike Pence, drooling over the possibility of becoming President, something he could never do by being elected.
3Hotdogs
(12,209 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)DownriverDem
(6,206 posts)We need Nancy as Speaker for the next 2 years. It's going to be pure hell with trump and the repubs. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain naive. We don't need an inexperienced newbie to take on trump. Wake up.
In It to Win It
(8,143 posts)Im #TeamNancy
PatSeg
(46,798 posts)Takes a lot of hubris to feel one is qualified for a leadership role before you've even started. Perhaps some newbies are trying to get some press, but it doesn't look very good.
4du
(56 posts)But I am aware several pledged not to vote for Nancy so that they could win their election.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)Now they feel like they have to "show the reciepts" on it but it's just going to wind up causing a mess we shouldn't need to have to deal with.
4du
(56 posts)Nancy is hated in parts of this country more than Donald is.
C Moon
(12,188 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)I just don't get certain parts of the country- where being a socially progressive liberal just trying to do good and help people gets so horribly villified for ?????? and yet they seem to have no problem with a 70 year old crass and boorish and buffoonish and woefully incompetent President gets heralded.
I just don't get it.
4du
(56 posts)which produce different viewpoints
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Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)but some viewpoints are mindblowingly crazy and idiotic
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)This isn't choosing a chair for the publicity committee of the local Our Revolution chapter, this is the United States Congress.
A huge battle is underway for the soul and direction of our nation. Our future lives and wellbeing depend, some literally, on the success of House Democrats.
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erpowers
(9,350 posts)The fact that the Speaker of the House is third in line to the Presidency is not mentioned enough. I think that contributes to people not really caring who becomes Speaker of the House. Nowadays it is very unlikely that the Speaker of the House would become President, but if something catastrophic happens you would want someone who understand how the government works moving into the Presidency.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)Narcissists and the People who Enable Them.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,539 posts)Why doesn't she just go back to modeling? It seems to be where she's most comfortable.
BTW, here's the headline that accompanied that picture, submitted without comment:
Melania Trump says she might be most bullied person in the world
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)I know this is shitty to say, but for a person that was a model for so many years, she doesn't seem to have many modelling pictures.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)By the way, you actually dont even have to be a sitting Congress person to be voted speaker.
demmiblue
(36,746 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)I'm not aware of any at the moment.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)LOL, an interesting twist to REALLY piss off all the Pelosi haters on the right would be to bring back President Obama and install him as speaker, or Hillary!
All the talking heads on the right would start spinning and spewing like extra's from The Exorcist.
(yes, yes, I know it's not gonna happen, but damn funny to ponder)
LiberalFighter
(50,501 posts)Because he would not be eligible to be President again by that procedure. So it would go to the next person in line. Hillary would work better but there may be other things happening.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I haven't really looked at the Speaker position in particular for line of succession, but there's been a lot of articles and discussions about an ex-POTUS returning as VP. There's nothing actually preventing the sitting of the position, but would be subject to court challenge should something occur causing succession to go into effect. Most that I've read on it suggest it shouldn't be a problem since the specific language of "elected" in the 22nd.
I'd assume all the debate around an ex-2 term- POTUS sitting as VP would apply just as much for the position of Speaker.
Although, with our current SCOTUS membership, it's probably safe to say that if it happens to a Republican, it'd probably be allowed, but not for a Democratic Party POTUS.
4du
(56 posts)Hillary for Speaker. Trump would have a heart attack and die. Pence would be raptured and float away. And the stolen election of two years ago would be corrected and Hillary becomes the POTUS
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hlthe2b
(101,716 posts)DownFromTheMountain
(226 posts)First is to get rated "able" as a congress-person, then start helping out sweeping the stall. Don't you just love it when no experience wants to take over right away?
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)thinks he or she knows what is needed to make things work. Getting over that phase is the first challenge.
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(28,073 posts).
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MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I started working for myself in 1974, and never went back. I started, grew, and closed several businesses. It's been fun!
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)MBAs with no real understanding of financial software engineering. They'll fire senior engineers heading up big dollar projects to save $100k, not bothering to find out if anyone else can really pick up the slack. They may increase their bottom line by $75k, but the have a really pissed off customer (another big firm) who remembers the engineer and asks for him by name. Oops.
TheBlackAdder
(28,073 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Need change right now (or better yet, yesterday)?
I agree with you. A freshman congress member needs to learn the rules, establish connections, and get some legislation under their belt. What worries me in this instance is that a freshman congress person doesn't seem to grasp this and still made it to congress.
unblock
(51,974 posts)pelosi will still have the vast majority of democrats behind her, but someone else can deprive her of the 218 needed to win outright.
then i presume there would be some negotiation, and the candidate with only thirty or so supporters agrees to drop the bid for the speaker role in exchange for some juicy committee assignment or whatever.
if it starts to look like pelosi is actually vulnerable, i would have to think more experienced members would throw their hat in the ring as well.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)It's just as foolish, though.
stopbush
(24,376 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)dlk
(11,435 posts)Bettie
(15,998 posts)said they are running for speaker?
I suspect Pelosi will still win, but I'm equally certain that there are other congresspersons with the knowledge to be speaker.
And I've heard nothing of a newly elected person saying they will run.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)against Pelosi, based on no knowledge of what the Speaker actually does or needs to be able to do.
Pelosi will be the Speaker. No worries.
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)only think will happen?
what is the point of this thread?
I think it would be a shame if monkeys would feel qualified to fly out of my ass. Give it time.
watoos
(7,142 posts)that will appeal to Russian trolls and bots. Anyone who challenges Pelosi will get tremendous backing from St. Petersburg to make the election of Speaker look tumultuous.
Nancy Pelosi has been a great Speaker, she will get the job, everything else is just noise meant to make Democrats look bad.
I still say if we want an injection of new blood no one says we have to give Steny Hoyer the job of majority leader.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)No incoming congress person has the smarts or knowledge to do the job.
So it's all ego
Celerity
(42,655 posts)I really must have missed something.
Much of the actual, (meaning elected members) anti-Pelosi sentiment is coming from the centrists. Some of the new ones who ran on an openly anti-Pelosi stance, then the so-called #5WhiteGuys group.
See this for example (from the Blue Dog Lieberman-backed, bi-partisanship-pushing, Problem Solvers types)
Stephanie Murphy, 8 other Democrats want promises from Nancy Pelosi in exchange for speaker votes
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/os-ne-nancy-pelosi-speaker-votes-washington-post-1114-story.html
Nine centrist House Democrats are throwing another hurdle in the path of top party leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) as she sprints toward the speakers gavel.
Its not an unexpected obstacle: The nine are members of the Problem Solvers Caucus, a group formed to promote bipartisanship whose members agreed in September to condition their votes for any speaker candidate on support for a package of rules changes meant to improve how the House operates.
In a letter sent to Pelosi on Tuesday, the nine Democrats reiterated that their speaker votes are on the line and asked for a written, public commitment to their proposals by Friday.
Our constituents and our democracy deserve better, they wrote. Put simply, they want us to govern again.
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Signing the letter are Reps. Josh Gottheimer (N.J.), Tom OHalleran (Ariz.), Jim Costa (Calif.), Kurt Schrader (Ore.), Daniel Lipinski (Ill.), Darren Soto (Fla.), Stephanie Murphy (Fla.), Tom Suozzi (N.Y.) and Vicente Gonzalez (Tex.).
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watoos
(7,142 posts)Celerity
(42,655 posts)Autumn
(44,755 posts)Thanks for that.
KPN
(15,587 posts)discussing the possibility of running for Speaker.
Do you have other info or are you just messing with us MM?
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)for the fun of it, I guess.
SixString
(1,057 posts)That's his schtick.
I can't believe people here constantly fall for it.
Check out the recs. Unbelievable
But it's probably just a veiled attack of AOC.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)All I'm saying is that Nancy Pelosi is the right voice and the right woman for the job. We need her and I stand with her.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Pelosi was a great Speaker in the past. Republicans just ran against her in this past election and they lost miserably. When Pelosi called for a vote on a Bill, it passed.
My favorite, Republicans have spent millions of dollars demonizing the name Nancy Pelosi, they flat out hate her which tells me they are afraid of her.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Cummings said there would be younger ones in Leadership to be trained. It is called transition.
But they need to learn the ropes first. Nancy is experienced, we need that right now. I was not sure at first, but it is common sense.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though he had already been a Senator.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)to Ms Fudge...
We all need to do it in an effort to crash the "What the American People Want" line that Moulton (one of the five-white-guys) kept repeating during a CNN interview.
If enough "American People" tweet Mrs Fudge, then they may get the message of what the "American People" really want, and it is for them to sit in a corner and stop the dividing efforts that only benefit republicans.
Most democrats want Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the house, she was very effective then, and will be more effective this time because I think she has had enough with republican crap.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)iscooterliberally
(2,849 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What freshman congress member is pushing to be speaker? None?
"I don't get it..."
So you don't get a non-existent, hypothetical argument of your own creation? Well, it's a tough old world sometimes, I guess.
watoos
(7,142 posts)over Nancy Pelosi becoming Speaker is a right wing talking point, bolstered on social media by right wing nuts and Russian trolls and bots.
"A House divided against itself cannot stand." Go get em Nancy.
malthaussen
(17,066 posts)I believe OP is inadvertently spreading the RW narrative by asking this question. I was just reading an article (fumbles for link, can't find it, shrugs shoulders) suggesting that the recent "demonstrations" about climate change outside Nancy Pelosi's office suggest that there is an insurgency of first-term radicals against a Pelosi speakership, despite the fact that the incoming Congresscritters have already stated full support for Pelosi. IIRC, it is pretty much doing their job for legislators to discuss their concerns with the leadership, sometimes quite forcefully. This is not tantamount to saying "Throw the bum out, I'm a better choice to lead."
Ah, another DU poster has said it better (and has the link I was looking for).
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211433272#post15
-- Mal
onenote
(42,374 posts)Not saying there is any 8 year making that claim. But since there aren't any newly elected members of congress claiming to be qualified to be speaker, I figured I should ask.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)as a first-term Senator, and was the greatest President of all time. Qualified is a very relative term.
BamaRefugee
(3,476 posts)Cattledog
(5,897 posts)These are different jobs with different skills required.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)after 2 years as a Senator, who am I to challenge someone wanting to run one body of congress as a freshman/woman?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)long enough to unpack his toothbrush. And he proved that he was qualified but this was still after 4 years in the Senate, as well as other political experience.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)Actually he had the creds to take on most any position in the legislative, judicial or executive body.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)But give it a couple years and you can run the entire country.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)brooklynite
(93,851 posts)Marcia Fudge
Seth Moulton
Tim Ryan
Kathleen Rice
Ed Perlmutter
Kurt Schrader
Filemon Vela Jr.
Bill Foster
Brian Higgins
Stephen Lynch
Linda Sanchez
Jim Cooper
Jeff Van Drew
Joe Cunningham
Max Rose
Anthony Brindisi
Ben McAdams.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
BamaRefugee
(3,476 posts)dalton99a
(81,065 posts)LittleGirl
(8,261 posts)I think that after the legislative session starts, Pelosi should be leader .
If she is mentoring someone, then they can take over later in the term or is that not allowed?
See, even I don't know how that works.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)There are no freshman members running for speaker
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)there is nothing to get. This post is 100% bullshit since there are no Freshman Congress Members saying they are qualified to be Speaker let alone trying to run for Speaker. I can only assume you mowed your lawn yesterday and this morning some kids were standing on it leaving several large divots.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I don't get it.
(eta: Not a personal attack on MM, just trying to demonstrate the lack of basis for his OP)
Gore1FL
(21,030 posts)Here is a question about something that actually happened:
Why did Joan of Arc Feel Qualified to Be the Commander of the French Armies?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)borgesian
(52 posts)Who is doing this? Lots of outrage in this thread, but no names...
Kablooie
(18,571 posts)Besides having knowledge of rules and procedures they have to build up relationships and have a knowledge of priorities, strengths and weaknesses of many others in order to manage effectively.
It's also the third position in line for the presidency so whoever has this position his must not be ill prepared and a hothead like Trump.
Once again, the Speaker can't just order things done like a CEO. This is politics which entails complex human interactions at many levels.
It's beginning to sound like we may have our own Freedom Caucus of the left. I hope not.
To attack issues head on without compromise is a recipe for failure.
Even though climate change is probably the most important issue that needs to be addressed, the only way to get it done is through a complex web of human politics. A simpleminded, direct approach will only cause others to block any progress.
For this next session it would be best for Pelosi to remain to get things up and running.
At some point there might be another viable speaker but I'm not aware of that person yet.
KPN
(15,587 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)KG
(28,749 posts)again.
ornotna
(10,763 posts)With the post.
brooklynite
(93,851 posts)displacedtexan
(15,695 posts)This stinks like the tea party deplorables who destroyed the Republican Party. While I'm glad they did, I sure as hell don't want the same crap in the Dem party.
onenote
(42,374 posts)displacedtexan
(15,695 posts)"The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
No one in this thread, to my knowledge, has implied that new members shouldn't vote. It just seems like a cart before the horse kind of issue before the newly elected have even been sworn in.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I thought there wasn't anyone standing in the wings, which makes it all the more strange.