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rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:57 PM Nov 2018

I am Progressive, white male, Nancy Pelosi is not progressive enough for me

And she should be the next Speaker of the House. She earned it. She can have it for two years, she can take it and transition it.

To add, you do not start off conceding to Repukes and that is exactly how the media and Repukes will categorize anyone else other than Pelosi becomes Speaker.

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. I feel identically ... though there's others I'd also be fine with ...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:01 PM
Nov 2018

But certainly NOT some freshman/woman, however.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. And that transition, that mentoring, should begin immediately after the Congress is in session.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:05 PM
Nov 2018

The next generation might also have some good ideas, and older members can serve as advisors and mentors.

brush

(53,963 posts)
3. IMO Pelosi should continue on. Many are overlooking that the Majority Leader position...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:12 PM
Nov 2018

will now open up when Pelosi becomes Speaker. That's a great spot for the wannabe Speakers to learn the ropes.

They'll probably have to go against Hoyer to get though as nothing is just given to someone no matter how ambitious.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. If wise colleagues feels she's the BEST, that's enough for me.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:44 PM
Nov 2018
You're wise enough for me also, Rufus Dog.

As for ideology, let's remember how the Democratic caucus works. This one will be made up of over 230 members divided into dozens of committees and subcommittees, each under committee leadership, and their various ideologies will have a huge effect on the legislation written.

Republicans top leadership has far stronger control, always has had. The Republican caucuses have always been much more authoritarian and hierarchical, with leadership concentrated at the top and the rest of the caucuses supporting, often signing legislation written by the people at the top without being allowed to read it.

To put it mildly, that's not how Democrats roll.

Btw, here's an analysis of house leader ideology for the 114th congress put together by a political science professor in Florida. I've seen similar in articles and such, so it should be good enough to get a general idea. You of course want more than they tried to/could get passed since 2010, but at least it shows the stories that they are not strongly progressive are all tall tales.

ALL Democratic leaders were almost as far to the left of 0 as Republicans were to the right, with a vast ideological gulf between. Many of us probably can compare these Republicans to those before and after Reagan and realize today's are really hard core in comparison.

John Lewis was evaluated as our most liberal at -0.59, Steny Hoyer the "least" liberal at -0.38, and Nancy in the middle at -0.49. Paul Ryan scored +0.56, and we know him to be a conservative-libertarian extremist compared to what Republicans once were.

http://www.carlislerainey.com/teaching/pols-209/files/leadership-extremity.pdf

dhill926

(16,378 posts)
5. A pwm as well...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:58 PM
Nov 2018

I want an effective and proven leader that can move our agenda thru the House. I think the best person is Pelosi...by far.

LiberalFighter

(51,258 posts)
6. Transitioning is a matter of others stepping up and doing the work.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:18 PM
Nov 2018

I'm sure that has been on going.

IMO those complaining the most have not stepped up where needed and done the work. But they want all the glory.

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