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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 05:54 PM Nov 2018

Kim Kardashian's Private Firefighters Expose America's Fault Lines

(So maybe the wealthy believe, at least some of them, their money will help them fight the consequences of climate change.)

“Rich people don’t get their own ‘better’ firefighters, or at least they aren’t supposed to.”
Alexis C. Madrigal
Nov 14, 2018

As multiple devastating wildfires raged across California, a private firefighting crew reportedly helped save Kanye West and Kim Kardashian’s home in Calabasas, TMZ reported this week. The successful defense of the $50 million mansion is the most prominent example of a trend that’s begun to receive national attention: for-hire firefighters protecting homes, usually on the payroll of an insurance company with a lot at risk.

The insurance companies AIG and Chubb have publicly talked about their private wildfire teams. AIG has its own “Wildfire Protection Unit,” while Chubb—and up to a dozen other insurers—contract with Wildfire Defense Systems, a Montana company that claims to have made 550 “wildfire responses on behalf of insurers,” including 255 in just the past two years. Right now in California, the company has 53 engines working to protect close to 1,000 homes.

The TMZ story feels uniquely 2018—financial capitalism, inequality, KimYe, the fires of Armageddon—and it is, for Americans at least.

“If the idea of private firefighting strikes us as an oddity nowadays, it should,” Benjamin Carp, a historian at Brooklyn College CUNY, told me. “While other societies throughout history have relied on private firefighting companies to protect the property of the upper classes … for the most part, we … have accepted the idea that fighting fire ought to be a public good.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/11/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-history-private-firefighting/575887/?fbclid=IwAR3kAByn3-VQ-7Q7Zup262js8KnVsd_4ROdfBHPfXOdUi2rEaMo2W7T0Xh4

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Kim Kardashian's Private Firefighters Expose America's Fault Lines (Original Post) BeckyDem Nov 2018 OP
Instead of fighting fire, why don't we try negotiating with it? jberryhill Nov 2018 #1
lol +1 BeckyDem Nov 2018 #2
More Evidence We've Become an Oligarchy dlk Nov 2018 #3
This bothers me. GemDigger Nov 2018 #4
Me too. BeckyDem Nov 2018 #9
not much different handmade34 Nov 2018 #5
Private fire insurance firefighters used to be common. Adrahil Nov 2018 #6
i'm fine if they hire their own. uncle ray Nov 2018 #7
I know you're referring to local taxes. Doremus Nov 2018 #8
As long as they do not take resources away from public firefighting capabilities. keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #10
What if they set fires to backburn, and it destroys Ilsa Nov 2018 #11
Excellent point... probably some others keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #12
Of course, the reason firefighting became part of "the commons" Ilsa Nov 2018 #13
I am ok with it because of insurance rates marlakay Nov 2018 #14

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
5. not much different
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:37 PM
Nov 2018

than rich people getting better doctors, better security, better ______...…. what's new?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
6. Private fire insurance firefighters used to be common.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:37 PM
Nov 2018

My dad had a collection of placards from them.

There is a reason we moved away from that model.

uncle ray

(3,156 posts)
7. i'm fine if they hire their own.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:25 PM
Nov 2018

it can help keep firefighting resources available for the rest of us who cannot afford a private firefighting team. now if the talk turns to cutting their taxes so that we can cut the socialized firefighting crews, then we have a problem.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
8. I know you're referring to local taxes.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:42 PM
Nov 2018

Cause their fed taxes were cut, and considerably so. But not the taxing authority that pays for firefighters, at least not that I know of.

For-profit fire protection. Laissez faire economics at work. Gotta love that neoliberalism.

keithbvadu2

(36,803 posts)
10. As long as they do not take resources away from public firefighting capabilities.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 10:56 PM
Nov 2018

As long as they do not take resources away from public firefighting capabilities.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
11. What if they set fires to backburn, and it destroys
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:12 PM
Nov 2018

Someone else's property? I suppose that isn't likely, but possible.

keithbvadu2

(36,803 posts)
12. Excellent point... probably some others
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:30 PM
Nov 2018

Excellent point... probably some others

Heckuva lawsuit.

Might they be expected to fight that fire?

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
13. Of course, the reason firefighting became part of "the commons"
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:40 PM
Nov 2018

was even those who had private firefighting contracts got their houses burned down by neighbors that didn't. It simply makes sense, because of the nature of fire, that everyone have coverage.

marlakay

(11,465 posts)
14. I am ok with it because of insurance rates
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:41 PM
Nov 2018

They divide out all claims of the whole U.S. for national insurance companies. So the more my company can save the less my rates go up.

Last year I was told rates went up because of the hurricanes.

I am with Farmers.

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