Jolly on MSNBC saying it is time for change regarding Speaker position.

[LiberalFighter]

The problem with that argument is that the definition of change was not about the Democrats changing their leadership or the positions they hold. It is about changing the direction that Trump wants to take this country.

The voters were not voting to change the leadership of the Democratic Party. They were voting on health care, the economy, against Trump, control of Congress. They were voting against the Republican Party. That is the change they were voting against.

[rzemanfl]

1. Jolly is a Republican. n/t

[LiberalFighter]

2. I know. There are Democrats that are pulling the same line too.

[rzemanfl]

3. People here (or claiming to be) are stirring the pot too. n/t

[pnwmom]

33. And a lot of them want to move the party to Pelosi's right, which Jolly

would like, too.

They criticize her for being a "San Francisco liberal" -- which isn't surprising. What I can't figure out is why some progressives are also trying to get rid of her.

[octoberlib]

10. Well, technically he quit the Republican party and registered as in Independent.

He's one of the saner ones but I don't agree with him on this.

[rzemanfl]

13. I don't believe in redemption. n/t

[barbiegeek]

20. Reps hate Pelosi cuz she gets the job done. To heck w/ what Rep think

Nancy for Speaker!!

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

31. +1 And HRC for Prez.

[Grasswire2]

26. not any more.

He's a registered Independent and proud of it.

[lapucelle]

4. Wasn't he a Republican up until a few weeks ago? N/T

[BigmanPigman]

11. I watched it and he said he is an Independant now.

I do not trust or value his opinion on this issue. Pelosi herself said that all but one or two reps who signed a letter for new leadership are men. That says a lot to me (and apparently her too).

[octoberlib]

14. It's coming together

Black caucus members back Pelosi for speaker over their former chair

Lawmakers in the Congressional Black Caucus back Nancy Pelosi for speaker over one of their own members, Rep. Marcia Fudge — a bad sign for the former CBC chair who’s considering a challenge to the California Democrat.

The CBC has been spoiling to elevate a group member into one of the top two positions in Democratic leadership for years, with current CBC Chairman Cedric Richmond writing as recently as two weeks ago that having a black speaker or majority leader was a top priority.


But in interviews with eight CBC members about a potential Fudge bid for speaker, all but two members said they would back Pelosi over Fudge. Other CBC members on Thursday tweeted or put out statements of support for Pelosi, including Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), the most powerful African-American in the House and a close Fudge friend and ally.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/15/black-caucus-pelosi-speaker-994469

[OAITW r.2.0]

30. I think John Lewis is the right person to support Nancy Pelosi.

Make him the whip and unleash the BCC to really push the legislation.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

32. +1 Great House Investigator in Hearings too.

[chillfactor]

5. Jolly can go jump in a lake.

So can Dems who push the same meme.

[ProudLib72]

6. You realize that Pelosi scares the living shit out of the Rs

They know they can't push her around. That's why they are fomenting this bullshittery.

[Baltimike]

7. Republicans don't want to deal with a GLADIATOR. They'd rather have a newb. nt

[NurseJackie]

8. What does a newbie bring to the fight? (Nothing but inexperience.)

Big talk is no substitution for actual experience and alliances. The Pelosi-hatred is being driven by the GOP (and perhaps by some folks who get Pelosi and DWS confused for some reason.)

[LiberalFighter]

9. Like someone first learning how to fly a plane.

Or everyone wants to fly the plane.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

23. If no one ever teaches newbies to fly a plane,

after a while there will be no pilots left.

[LiberalFighter]

27. You still don't put a newbie in a plane to fly.

As far as newbies learning. They have to step up and put in the work. Giving them leadership out of the gate is poor practice. They have to prove themselves.

[EffieBlack]

36. You also don't pluck the pilots out of the flight attendant ranks and make them the captain

None of the people pushing for “change” or considering a run to replace Pelosi have bothered to put in the work in House leadership.

If they want to be Speaker, they should learn the ropes by devoting some time to working in a House leadership position - hard, grueling, unsexy, behind-the-scenes work - just like Pelosi did. But it’s ridiculous to expect to just start at the top because yo think you’re a new face.

[LiberalFighter]

37. Yep!

When they do the work. Their fellow legislators will see it firsthand how they handle it.

What I have learn too there is always someone that prefers to complain and point out mistakes instead of helping make it better. Sounds like there are some in that caucus.

[OnDoutside]

12. And he got immediately put in his place by the Congresswoman.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

15. So the question to all of you who think that the same old same old is the best way to go,

how to you propose the Democrats ever get new leadership in place?

Keep in mind, one reason the Republicans have been so very successful all over the legislative and electoral map, is that they have systematically brought along younger people.

[Garrett78]

16. Pelosi has already said she'll help with the transition to a new leader.

Adam Schiff would be a good choice. In the meantime, Pelosi's skills and expertise are needed in these troubling times.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

18. I will believe that when it happens. So far she has clung tightly to her power.

[Garrett78]

21. I'll be shocked if she runs again in 2020.

[peggysue2]

35. So will I

Pelosi has said she sees herself as a bridge to new leadership. She's been a fearless and indefatigable leader in the House and I see no reason to doubt her now, particularly now, when we need a seasoned Captain to guide the Party into challenging channels of the next 2 years. Her legacy will also be tied to shepherding and mentoring these new Reps for the job ahead. Short of a wholesale catastrophe, I don't see her backing off that.

Fortunately, the Dem majority is beginning to realize (admit) that for the moment Nancy Pelosi, her years of experience and skill of wending through the legislative labyrinth ahead, is exactly what we need if we expect success in 2020. Then we can start talking about passing the baton without cutting ourselves off at the knees.

I'm just damn grateful she's on our side. We should all be.

[brush]

17. Who, turtleman, spineless Ryan? I beg to differ.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

19. How about all the state houses and governors' mansions they control?

They understand that districts are drawn by the state legislatures, and they've done a good job of controlling them when it matters most.

[LiberalFighter]

29. That is not Congress.

[dsc]

22. that is false

the only demo the GOP won was 45 to 64.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

24. It's what they have done for thirty years.

Getting younger people to run. Taking over the state houses and state senates, the county commissions, the city councils. We have ignored those things for too long, and that's why they've gerrymandered the House to the point where they have long term control. If we hang on to the state legislatures through 2022 when the new districts are drawn, there's hope.

[Iggo]

25. Fuck Jolly. (n/t)

[Freethinker65]

28. Hahahahaha. Jolly that

[eleny]

34. Weasel