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Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 08:17 PM Nov 2018

Reagan, JFK, Sinatra and our parents and grandparents.

I was standing out in the cold last night at our weekly protest of the nazi traitor fascist in the WH, specifically him and Whitaker and was speaking to some friends about how many of our family members went left or right, politically.

Sinatra was a JFK fan, and most of my relatives were Sinatra fans.

Sinatra built a WING onto his Palm Springs home to house JFK while president for a weekend visit. This was a BIG FUCKING DEAL to have a PRESIDENT stay at your house.

In 1962 President Kennedy planned a weekend trip to Palm Springs, California, where he would stay at the residence of Frank Sinatra from March 24-26. As the weekend approached, Bobby Kennedy, the President's brother and attorney general, became concerned about Sinatra's extensive links to organized crime. He persuaded the President to cancel his stay with Sinatra, and Peter Lawford was given the assignment of informing Sinatra.
The Rat PackLawford (to the right of Dean Martin in photo) was both a member of Sinatra's Rat Pack and a Kennedy relative by marriage. When Bobby asked Lawford to inform Sinatra of the President's change in plans, Peter pleaded with Bobby to reconsider. The attorney general was adamant, however, that the President could not stay at the house of a man who also played host to hoodlums.

Lawford told Sinatra biographer Kitty Kelley: "It fell to me to break the news to Frank, and I was frankly scared. When I rang the President I said that Frank expected him to stay at the Sinatra compound, and anything less than his presence there was going to be tough to explain. It had been kind of a running joke with all of us in the family that Frank was building up his Palm Springs house for just such a trip by the President, adding cottages for Jack and the Secret Service, putting in 25 extra phone lines, installing enough cable to accommodate teletype facilities, plus a switchboard and building a heliport. He even erected a flagpole for the Presidential flag after he saw the one flying over the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport. No one asked Frank to do any of this, but he really expected his place to be the President's Western White House."

"When Jack called me, he said that as President he just couldn't stay at Frank's and sleep in the same bed that [Sam] Giancana or any other hood had slept in. 'You can handle it, Petah,' he said to me."


But, he was talked out of going and Ole Blue Eyes was PISSED!


Fast forward, after this snub, and Sinatra is endorsing one of the worst presidents of all time, Ronnie. Some of my relatives followed right along.

And now I wonder, if they were alive, sure if you told them about rump and NOT that he has an R after his name, they would hate him, but what if they knew he was an R ?? Would they hate him the way we ASSUME Ronnie would? I dont know, maybe best they arent around to find out. but that sucks too.
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Reagan, JFK, Sinatra and our parents and grandparents. (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 OP
I read that Sinatra was really hurt by this. BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #1
He was very pissed. It had to be part of his reasoning for switching, Frank wasnt known for Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #2
Here's the extra rub: no_hypocrisy Nov 2018 #3
i know Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #5
And Crosby was a Republican. kskiska Nov 2018 #6
Be ever mindful of the shortcomings of desire's rewards. vlyons Nov 2018 #4


(51,573 posts)
1. I read that Sinatra was really hurt by this.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 08:23 PM
Nov 2018

He had personally hooked Kennedy up with a lot of his Hollywood pals and arranged a lot of the election and inauguration star studded festivities himself. I can understand why he would be pissed off but I don't see why he would change political parties over it.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
2. He was very pissed. It had to be part of his reasoning for switching, Frank wasnt known for
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 08:25 PM
Nov 2018

his in-depth political analysis.

He went with his gut on most stuff I think and in this case he just never got over being pissed.

Reagan himself was a Democrat, it took a new wife and that wife's sick twisted father to turn him.


(46,052 posts)
3. Here's the extra rub:
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 08:35 PM
Nov 2018

JFK stayed at the home of Bing Crosby that week-end, instead of Sinatra.

That had to burn . . . . . . . .


(27,045 posts)
6. And Crosby was a Republican.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:59 PM
Nov 2018

Prior to all this, Frank put in a lot of time and energy to campaign for Kennedy and enlisted the entire Rat Pack, and produced the Inaugural Gala the night before the Inauguration. Then the Kennedys stiffed him. He never spoke to Peter Lawford again.

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