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Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:16 PM

Show of hands, how many adults here enjoy comics...

... and at the same time are well adjusted, progressive and relatively intelligent?

This is in reference to the silly Bill Maher statement and the associated thread here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11442370


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Reply Show of hands, how many adults here enjoy comics... (Original post)
edhopper Nov 2018 OP
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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:17 PM

1. Me me!

 

And I enjoy Maher.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:19 PM

3. I generally like him

but don't always agree with him. Nor should we. It's not like he is a voice for liberals. He's a comedian and often has worthwhile things to say.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:24 AM

113. I like Mad and others--daughter is a Marvel fan. Not enough to get our panties in a bunch over it.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:18 PM

2. Comics were my remedial reading as a child.

It bolstered my reading ability and I loved the artwork. I graduated from Dennis the Menace to Superman to Creepy to Mad Magazine.

I still am pissed at my father for making me throw them out.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:20 PM

4. Comics are a great way to foster

the love of reading.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:21 PM

5. I used comics for a couple of students

with low reading ability. It kept them engaged and it worked.

Later, I tried it as a literacy volunteer. It worked with the right sort of student.

I read comics all the way through grad school, and into my late twenties. I did it as an escape.

I haven't read any comics lately. Maybe I should.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:39 PM

15. There is a lot of content out there

and not just super hero stuff.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:23 PM

6. Anything kids like to read is okay with me.

If that extends further in their life great.

Just keep reading.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:23 PM

7. Lots of snobbery in that thread.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:47 PM

19. Absolutely

Seems to me, maybe Mr Maher should step back, and make sure he's as self-aware as he thinks he is.

There are more than a few people that feel exactly the same way about television that he feels about comic books.

Also, they guy intentionally had sex with Ann Coulter.....Nuff Said.

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:54 AM

51. Now I need to scrub my brain with brillo

Dipped in Clorox concentrate.

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:39 AM

59. Ewww...

Yuck. No. She’s so hateful! Why would anyone willingly do that? (Rhetorical question. I really don’t want to know.)

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:56 AM

70. Some of it really surprising to me

Not just, oh, not my thing, but really snarky and judgemental.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:25 PM

8. Ooh big bad Bill Maher picking on comic books

This needed a second thread.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:27 PM

11. Because internet bandwidth is such a precious and nonrenewable commodity?

If you're not interested in the thread, don't post in it.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:34 PM

13. I am interested insofar as I think its a rather ridiculous reason to villify Bill Maher

Bill Maher gives a voice at times to some pretty shitty characters like milo yiannopoulos because he's stuck on his political incorrectness thing... for that sort of thing he deserves pretty scathing critisism in my opinion. He's also a pretty strong progressive voice on some issues and reaches a lot of people. I think crying because he made fun of adults reading comic books sort of reinforces his point.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:45 PM

18. Who is crying?

And I'm sorry but Stan Lee was a stronger progressive voice than Bill Maher will ever be and reached a far larger audience. XMen sold over 270 million copies and that doesn't include the audiences for the films. Real Time has an audience of about 2 million. Stan Lee was writing comic books about inclusion, tolerance and the dangers of fascism back in the 60s when Bill Maher was still a snot-nosed kid trying to get a peek up the hot teacher's skirt.

To attack Stan Lee and his fans on the occasion of his death with some poorly reasoned, easily disproven bullshit linking comic book enthusiasm with the decline in reading habits and the election of Trump is irresponsible dickishness and absolutely Maher deserves to be called out on it with as many threads as DU sees fit.

At least Maher is doing it for the publicity. What's your excuse for defending him?

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:09 AM

54. Bravo!

I’m 70 years old and a college graduate who has read the classics. I am bilingual having lived in another country as an American citizen for over 25 years. I appreciate the subtle differences in the two distinct cultures I was brought up in and I consider myself a world citizen and I know the cultural importance of comic books in countries where illiteracy is high. I also know how important
it is to read something you’re interested in and how it helps your literacy abilities. I was happy when my kids read comic books.

And Stan Lee ALWAYS preached and promoted the highest human qualities and the noblest ones too. Super heroes were always the good guys. Always.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:57 AM

52. So you agree with him

That’s pretty evident.

Do you feel superior now?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #52)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:18 AM

57. feel superior?

What in the hell are you talking about? I had no idea what a sensitive issue this was obviously. Enjoy.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:24 AM

81. He brought up something

And it got people disagreeing but that is not vilification.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:23 AM

79. I'm interested when enough DUers are interested

In posting multiple thread that gets others to complain about it.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:40 PM

17. The thread

was in reaction to the DUers who agreed with Maher about comic readers somehow having stunted mental growth.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:57 AM

71. +1

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 11:34 PM

43. Okay, that's enough.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:03 PM

107. yeah, as a KID

but not superheroes. i liked richie rich, little audrey, wendy, little dot, little lotta, archie and veronica, etc. as a young kid/tween. i didn't collect them though. But I was/still am an inveterate reader of everything.

Bill Maher's remarks about comics didn't bother me, but his slagging off of the couple with the rare facial deformity (moebius syndrome) did. He didn't get a lot of positive response for it either.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:26 PM

9. I'm a progressive today because of Calvin & Hobbes and Doonesbury.

I'm not a huge comic book fan but I can appreciate what Stan Lee has done for the progressive zeitgeist. I do also like video games, fantasy novels, Star Trek and lots of other things that the self-righteous of the world might decide are not sufficiently "grown up"... while they piss their time away drinking, watching sports, shopping for useless crap, recreational grooming and complaining about their terrible relationships.

Also have two masters degrees, a good job and read at least a book a week.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:26 PM

10. Me, absolutely. And I'm a writer and retired therapist.

I don’t say that to say how cool I am but those professions both respect comics a great deal. Comics are archetypal stories. I learned about a lot of kids via hearing about their comic book heroes. Adults too sometimes. As numerous people have said about Stan Lee, he made the “weird kids” feel special. That was Marvel’s genius. It was about people. Good stories are about people.

And as I said about Bill Maher, “Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is a dick.”

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:29 PM

12. I have three words to say to Bill Maher

CALVIN AND HOBBES

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Response to brettdale (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:15 AM

62. Aaaand the discussion could end right here.



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Response to Beartracks (Reply #62)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:08 PM

101. One word: DOONESBURY

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:36 PM

14. Liked 'em as a kid

And don't have any problem with those who make a hobby out of reading/collecting/creating them.

They're pretty much an art-meets-literature form IMHO.

Chill out, Bill Maher -- no need to make this political! If you don't like 'em, then don't read 'em...

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:40 PM

16. Comics inspired me to blow up the Earth

they must be a bad influence :p

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:52 PM

20. Anyone going to the comics forum will know my posts

I post Monday thru Friday. Come on over and have fun!

BTW I'm 55

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Response to Javaman (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:05 PM

21. I will come over and say hi

Didn't know we had one.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:08 PM

22. Mostly a handful of independent and manga titles now...

...but yes.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:13 PM

23. My dad read the comics every day until he got dementia.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:30 PM

24. I was a huge Marvel fan from 1961 right up to a few years ago...

...and as a kid, Stan Lee saved my sanity more than once. He was the one adult who really understood me. I finally gave up Marvel because I felt they were, and are, deliberately trying to alienate their old fans, and I felt disrespected. But I still read things like Maus, and From Hell, and Watchmen...

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:34 PM

25. I stopped with

Marvel and DC a while ago too. Having grown up on them like you.
But there is still a lot excellent graphic literature out there.

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 09:41 AM

76. I hung in until virtually every Marvel artist became a clone of Jim Lee

I read all of the John Byrne stuff, but it hasn't aged well. Plus, in "real life," Byrne is beyond curmudgeonly and insensitive (he shared some thoughts on Christopher Reeve's passing that I won't share here).

But Jim Lee, and all of his clones, pretty much killed off my interest in Marvel. I enjoyed Lee's work initially...some pretty amazing stuff...but when everyone adopted that style, it bored the hell out of me.

I was "in" from Fantastic Four #1 onward. My favorite artists were Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, John Buscema, and Gene Colan.

Once those artists started backing off and Marvel became the house of Byrne and Lee, I'd had enough.

But I still love the old books. I have 1731 digital comics on my laptop...pretty much all of the favorites I named above.

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Response to Miles Archer (Reply #76)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:31 AM

84. But the medium continued to grow

I agree with you about the older marvel artist. But now there are many worthwhile non-superhero comics being published.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:37 PM

26. I enjoy non-fiction, but, I can appreciate a comic books right to exist, and the role they've

play'd in Americana. Got to be in the mood for one. Older ones are preferred.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:38 PM

27. During high school years I was a big fan of comics

That was many moons ago, I think the series I liked was called Jiggs?
Going back to middle school years I loved peter pan & roy rogers comics.

Now as a senior, I do not read comics.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:48 PM

28. I never got into them,

but a good friend with a very bright little boy allowed him to 'read' comics when before he'd been TAUGHT to read, and he taught himself, with COMICS! (This 35+ years ago.)

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:49 PM

29. I can't

believe of all this shit Maher says, this is what makes people lose their shit.

I've read some graphic novels. It's not a regular thing. I can enjoy them, but I'm not passionate about them.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:54 PM

30. Nope.

 

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:03 PM

31. I certainly read them when I was young.

I've had little interest in reading them in decades.

I enjoyed some of the movies that came from comic books.

My interests were elsewhere.

Trying to link comic book reading to some grade of politics is a bizarre leap.

It is an outlet. So is golf, romance books, astronomy, gardening, music, art, etc, etc.

I've enjoyed the odd Maher 'new rule' or joke but this commentary of his is off the mark.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:08 PM

32. No thank you.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:16 PM

33. I let my very last newspaper subscription lapse

 

after Bill Watterson quit contributing.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:41 PM

34. All my comics were

 

pre 1955. Wow,kid brother said I had about a thousand,every Cowboy and Cartoon Character known at the time. Used to trade the Kids in my small town,when you trade one new one for ten already read ones,what a deal. Kid Brother gave all of these Comics to the School Library in the early sixties.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:44 PM

35. Adult "comics" are a superb genre. We have Maus, In the Shadow of No Towers, & Persepolis....

Have not yet picked up John Lewis' books about the civil rights era. We also have Doonesbury 40th Anniversary and the Calvin & Hobbes collection 3 volume collection in hardcover.

Sometimes the combination of art and text deepens the experience enormously.

I have not warmed to either Neil Gaiman's Sandman nor Jim Butcher's Dresden Files. I am a fan of Gaiman's books in text form -- same with the Dresden Files.

I used to like 10c comics when I was a little kid, but a dime was a lot of money at that age, so I read the neighbor-kid's stash. MAD was transgressive and fun, throwing in enough adult references to keep me engaged. When I moved on it was to science fiction written for adults. I was an early and fluent reader -- all comic books were certainly more engaging than Dick and Jane, which bored me to tears.

As an adult I have met several people who came to the US as kids who spoke no English, but instead French, Dutch, or Spanish, and they all credited comic books and afternoon cartoons for their ability to learn English quickly and fluently. All college grads, like me.


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Response to Hekate (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:23 AM

48. Yaaassssss! Persepolis!!!!!

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Response to JHan (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:06 PM

100. Nice to meet a fellow fan

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:47 PM

36. Unapologetic fan here.

Bill Maher is a pseudo intellectual trying to sound smart.

Fail.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:23 AM

49. And his new rules segment last show was hypocritical as fuck.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:49 PM

37. I appreciate the art and the stories, read them as a kid, have a couple of digital versions now...

but I am not a fan that collects.

Maher is being a d*ck.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:52 PM

38. Hand raised. n/t

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 11:12 PM

39. Me....

Well written comic books can use both art and words to express emotions, as well as the standard tropes to be found in every good bit of literature out there.
For many people who are more visually oriented, comic books can be as mentally expansive as any classic story out there.

Haele

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 11:20 PM

40. Oh, hell yeah!

Grew up on Mad, Sick, Cracked, Crazy, CarToons, SurfToons. Eventually graduated to the National Lampoon,The Realist, and a few others.

Wound up with a pretty good collection of Fritz the Cat, The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, Zap!, Bijou, and even Howard the Duck (man, talk about something *subversive*!!!)

These were the influences that shaped my rather warped sense of reality...which, in this age of tRump, turns out to be a pretty good place to live!

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 11:31 PM

41. Not me. But I enjoy the people who do more than the people who hate them for it.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 11:34 PM

42. I like comics. I've read them on and off almost my entire life.

My first comic book was Wonder Woman. My mother bought it for me when I was four. We were in the train station in Chicago in the middle of the night. It was snowing. I couldn't read it but it was a comfort and diversion on a scary night.

Bill Maher is an ass. That is all.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:44 AM

50. I was an Archie, Betty, and Veronica fan..

That's quite a memory you have of your first comic book, Wonder Woman!

Netflix has 2 seasons of "Riverdale" available.. it's based on the Archie series. It's quite good.. according to me.

So I still enjoy it only on the screen these days.

yardwork

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Response to Cha (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:24 AM

58. Me too Cha and my love for Brenda Starr will never cease..LOL. n/t

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Response to Cha (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:24 AM

80. Watched both seasons of Riverdale! Loved it.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #80)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:06 PM

110. See!

I've seen them twice.. waiting for the 3rd season.

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Response to Cha (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:46 PM

104. I also loved Archie, Betty and Veronica, Cha!

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #104)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:09 PM

111. Hola Lunamagica!

If you have Netflix and the time.. you should check out the series "Riverdale".. it's well written and it has Archie, Betty and Veronica!

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Response to Cha (Reply #111)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 03:34 AM

112. Thanks for the tip! I'll check it out!

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 11:43 PM

44. Not a huge fan but I like some titles...

 

Love the Sandman books by Gaiman.

I admit to reading a lot of Star Wars comics (Star Wars is MY childish thing)

But not into the superhero genre, really.

I'm a 52 year old married with kid systems engineer with a Masters degree so I seem to be "adulting" just fine.

And ya know what? I still play D&D occasionally. Of the 7 players, 4 have PhD's, 2 have Masters, and one a BS. All gainfully employed with families and own our own homes. HOW do we do it??

I have no patience for snobs.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:12 AM

45. Here

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:14 AM

46. I am a fan of Bill but he is so god damn ignorant on this.

 

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:50 AM

47. Never liked them. Nt

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:57 AM

53. Maher's a jerk.

And yes, I am an adult who enjoys comics.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:12 AM

55. I have read comics from 3rd grade on

I collected them with my dad. I don't collect anymore, but I still read through the library. My daughter doesn't read them, but she enjoys seeing the movies with me. I just gave my nephew 10 bankers boxes of 70s and 80s comics. I probably could have made some cash on them, but he likes to read them, and it is like handing off a legacy. I am 55. An engineer with 2 Masters degrees, and I read about 8 fiction and two non-fiction books a month.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:14 AM

56. Is Mad Magazine is considered a comic?

I went straight form Mad Magazine to underground comix, and never really got into the conventional comic scene.

R Crumb was the bomb.

Oh, when I was stationed overseas, I discovered Asterix. I hoofed it down to an English bookstore every month to purchase the next installment.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:33 AM

86. Yes, definitely

especially since it emerges from the great EC legacy.

And European comics are great as well.

We are talking about graphic story telling, not just Marvel and DC superheroes.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:43 AM

60. Yes, I do!

Comics are fun to read. I’m not obsessed, but I’ll buy a series if the story is good.

My dyslexic daughter discovered that reading comic books is fun, and that helped her decide that reading “real” books can be worth the effort. I’m definitely grateful for that.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:01 AM

61. Why are some people so upset that Maher has an opinion?

So what. I live in Japan and I HATE manga and animation. Hate it. Guess I'm an asshole too, because I have an opinion.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:58 AM

64. The people responding to Maher's opinions are sharing their opinions.

Personally it doesn't even crack the list of top 25 worst things Maher has said.

If he said comic books are kid stuff and left it alone would be one thing but he goes on to blame it on society's ills and Trump on comics. A lot of people compared him to

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #64)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:11 AM

65. "We're using our smarts on stupid stuff."

This is true.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #65)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:23 AM

66. His last line

“I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to suggest that Donald Trump could only get elected in a country that thinks comic books are important.”

You mention Japan I hear comic books are important. So US and Japan are the only 2 countries Trump could get elected because of comic books? If he left out that last line it would still be a silly OP-ed but inserting Trump into his point made a huge hole in his logic.

Besides he was picking on some poor person's reddit post that was expressing their favorable opinion of Stan Lee.

Edit: the post I'm responding to here originally said this "How does he blame society's ills and Trump on comics?"

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #66)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 08:13 AM

73. Nope.

Japan is ruled by conservatives, the LDP, and it has nothing to do with manga. What are you even talking about?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #73)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 08:44 AM

74. Bill Maher

“I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to suggest that Donald Trump could only get elected in a country that thinks comic books are important.”

Comic books are important in Japan right? Maher thinks Trump can only get elected in a country that thinks comic books are important. Are comic books important in Japan? Could Trump get elected in Japan?

If you don't understand what I'm talking about it is because Im using Maher's logic.

Maybe Trump ruling the US has nothing to do with comic books.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #66)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:32 AM

85. That they are important to

Americans is debatable. The relationship to the election of an idiot to the presidency is laughable.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #65)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:29 AM

82. I think that's an inaccurate assessment of some comics.

There's a lot more than manga. Read Maus, for instance.

Mad magazine just ran a devastatingly on-target strip about school shootings.

Howard Zinn published a comics version of his History of the U.S., making important historical facts that are usually whitewashed in schools highly accessible to many readers who would not have read his entire book.

And Maher's remarks were in the context of disrespecting somebody who had just died.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:50 AM

68. His opinion is based on painful ignorance.

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:30 AM

83. An opinion on comics

Vs an opinion on people. You did not judge the people who like them with your statement.

Bill Maher will live. He knows he stirred up shit and loves it.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:37 AM

87. No

But if you said those that do read and like them are mentally stunted you would be.

(I know you are not saying that, but Maher did)

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Response to betsuni (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:52 PM

99. No, just *that* opinion.

Also bringing it up in response to someone dying.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:23 AM

63. ElfQuest

Wendy Pini’s ElfQuest helped me through a dark time when I was struggling with my sexuality and gender, with its message of inclusion and acceptance.

From there I discovered comics like Hellblazer, Sandman, and Transmetrpolitan, and a few other titles that didn’t use LGBT people for cheap laughs. That was less common than you think in the 80s and 90s.

I still read comics, but I don’t have time or physical space to deal with long boxes. I get them all digitally on my Kindle.

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Response to cagefreesoylentgreen (Reply #63)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:49 PM

94. Last June,

during the protest against child detention, I stood next to Wendy Pini (Well, she stood; I was on a scooter,).

I not only read comics, I'm friends with many of their creators. I attended the funerals of Jack Kirby and Len Wein (even though by then, I'd moved over 1000 miles away from L.A., and my wife add I had to drive 1000 miles overnight to attend).

Some of this shit from Maher reminds me of when Johnny Carson did a week-long bit about 3D, which culminated in Johnny coming onstage wearing 3D glasses. At the desk, Johnny looked at the glasses he'd been given, which were a promo for a 3D comic Jack Kirby had produced. They used the phrase "Jack Kirby: King of the Comics." Well, as far as Carson as concerned he was King of the Comics. So Johnny launched into a tirade "'Jack Kirby: King of the Comics'? They should call him King of the Con-men" and proceeded to use the phrase "Jack Kirby: King of the "Con -men" several times that show.

(He apologized profusely on his next show after being corrected).

Bill Maher can be funny at times, but also has a long history of bad-mouthing those who disagree with him. I stopped watching because I got tired of his "all religions are bad but Islam is especially evil" shtick. If someone wants to believe for their own purposes, I don't care, as long as they don't make me follow their views (which also applies to Maher's militant atheism).

If I want to enjoy comics, and miss Stan, Jack, and my friend Len (whose death not only "broke" the Internet, it "swamped" Forest Lawn, who didn't have enough room for all the cars), who does it hurt? These men all helped bring light and joy into the world, which will never be said about Maher.

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Response to MurrayDelph (Reply #94)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:06 PM

95. Bill Maher is a racist

His Asian “jokes” aren’t jokes, and whitesplaining them is not in any way helpful. He’s a part of those would get outraged over similar jokes directed at blacks and Hispanics, but Asians are fair game.

I’m Chinese American, fwiw.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:49 AM

67. I used to like them a lot. Now, I just look at Dilbert once a week.

Does that mean I'm less well-adjusted, progressive, and relatively intelligent? I think I'm still progressive.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:40 AM

88. You can be those things

without reading comics as well. But it helps.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:55 AM

69. ME! My nerdom is less comic-centric than it was about ten years ago, but

I still read them, and very much other forms of media stemming from comics/graphic novels.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 08:12 AM

72. As a young girl, I read everything in sight including comics

Back in the 70's a cousin's wife (who was an academic in a Communications' Institute) gave me a book written by two Chileans called How to Read Donald Duck. It changed my thinking. I always hated Tarzan, but as someone in a developing country I became more aware at the subtle and not so subtle messages.

I read the comics with purpose after that and found Stan Lee's characters refreshingly progressive.
Maher is an insensitive moron. I rarely watch his show.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 09:27 AM

75. It isn't just the comic books

It's the movies, too. I haven't picked up a comic in years, but I've seen all the Marvel and most of the DC movies, watching for Stan Lee's cameo in the Marvel ones (will miss him) and hitting the superhero section at Universal parks....

No one is going to make a ride dedicated to the Bill Maher experience, I'll tell you that

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:16 AM

77. I outgrew them.

Even as a child, I preferred books.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #77)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:44 AM

90. See this is the problem

it's fine if you don't want to read them. But to consider them something to "outgrow" diminished the medium.

There are many comics and graphic novels that are not geared to young people and as fully adult in their content as other media.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:21 AM

78. I don't generally readthem

But can enjoy them. I read kids books that kids in my family read. I read several mangas that my nieces had a couple weekends ago.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:41 AM

89. Used to love newspaper comics like Doonesbury/Bloom County and others.

Bill Maher likes being a dick. He enjoys getting a rise out of people.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:10 PM

91. I enjoyed comics when I was a kid, but haven't read them for decades.

When Spiderman and the Fantastic Four came out, that was in the heyday of my comic book collecting. I'm sure I once had the first Spiderman comic but sometime in my teen years all of my comics disappeared. Thanks mom!

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:44 PM

92. Occasionally

Not a superfan, but I love “Hellblazer” “Sandman” “Bitch” “Saga” and of course, “Preacher” I tend to like comics with a beginning and end, so I’m planning on reading “Black Panther”. A few others. The worlds of superheroes makes me feel like I’d have to start at the beginning so I actually did this with “Swamp Thing”, didn’t get too far though.

Suggestions welcome

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #92)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:10 PM

96. Y: The Last Man

FX is currently filming a live-action adaptation with Bryan K. Vaughn directly involved. If you liked Saga, you may like Vaughn’s earlier work in Y.

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Response to cagefreesoylentgreen (Reply #96)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:19 PM

97. Cool! Thanks!

There are so many to choose from, and as a relative late comer I get a little lost

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:46 PM

93. Apparently "The Walking Dead" was a comic book and we enjoy that show very much...

... so I can certainly see how "comics" would be enjoyable by adults.

Is Bill Maher under some impression that all "comics" are the same as Richie Rich, or Archie and Jughead?

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:21 PM

98. Oh, The Invisibles is my favorite!

The Invisibles is a comic book series that was published by the Vertigo imprint of DC Comics from 1994 to 2000. It was created and scripted by Scottish writer Grant Morrison, and drawn by various artists throughout its publication.[1]

The series loosely follows the doings of a single cell of The Invisible College, a secret organization battling against physical and psychic oppression using time travel, magic, meditation, and physical violence.[2]

For most of the series, the team includes leader King Mob; Lord Fanny, a transgender Brazilian shaman; Boy, a former member of the NYPD; Ragged Robin, a telepath with a mysterious past; and Jack Frost, a young hooligan from Liverpool who may be the next Buddha. Their enemies are the Archons of the Outer Church, interdimensional alien gods who have already enslaved most of the human race without their knowledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisibles

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:15 PM

102. I enjoy comics and Bill Maher

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:16 PM

103. Used to love Mad Magazine, if that qualifies.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #103)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:50 PM

105. It kinda does.

I loved Mad Magazine. And basically, that was back when I enjoyed Marvel comics, too.

I don't begrudge anyone for their continued or newfound love of something I thoroughly enjoyed for many years.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:51 PM

106. From the days before I could read

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:57 PM

108. Bill Mahr, always eager to share his ignorance with a larger audience. I love comics, as does my

wife and most of our friends. No disputing Stan Lee's importance to the craft, art form, and comics industry.

We are not particular fans of Marvel comics, favoring writers like Neil Gaiman, Warren Ellis, Garth Ennis, Elaine Lee.

There are many great writers and artists out there writing and drawing some amazing "sequential art" to use Will Eisner ( The Spirit and namesake of "the Eisner" award for comics.)

Mr. Mahr is amusing but I've found on subjects such as religion his ignorance is his guiding light. To make the ignorant claim he has made about comics and comic fans reveals how little he knows about this subject. He is not alone.

For many years I tried to get my oldest friend, a college professor, to read The Sandman series by Neil Gaiman. My friend takes an even dimmer, more ignorant view of comics than Bill Mahr. One day a few years ago he called cross country to tell me about a "marvelously inventive writer and his book "Neverwhere" At which point I directed him to the writer's works list and to the listing for Sandman. He's seen the error of his way there but it nearly didn't happen.


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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:49 PM

109. I was never reallly into comic books, just preferred books with more words.

 

That said, I had often wondered why Hollywood hadn't gone with some great stories that had already been story boarded for them. I enjoy the Marvel and DC movies and series. IMO, Marvel has done much better with movies and DC much better with series.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 11:39 AM

114. Stopped buying comics after my cancer diagnoses to save money

But I enjoy reading and collecting comics.

Bill Maher can be clueless at times. I think Obama enjoyed comics as well.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 07:55 PM

116. I se to.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:50 PM

117. Zap comics.........

back in 1969-1970.

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