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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYour thoughts here. Would it be to our advantage to impeach RUMP
Right before 2020 election? (if he's still there) Would this help us win votes? (THIS would force REPUBS in the senate to take a stand)
agingdem
(7,849 posts)want a sea of subpoenas, investigations, public congressional testimony...
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)manor321
(3,344 posts)If impeachable offenses are discovered, the Congress has a duty to carry through with impeachment. Period.
This isn't difficult.
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)BUT closer to 2020 would be best time in my thoughts!
old guy
(3,283 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Nothing will get past both the Senate and House so Repubs have no agenda.
The Dems will investigate everything giving Repubs the choice of sticking with trump or acting independent of him.
Repubs will have to run someone against trump in 2020. Pence could be their pick. Giving Pence a few months in office before the election is in their favor.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Trump's base would be outraged. Turnout for Pence would be abysmal. The Republican Party is better off suffering losses in the short-term until they come up with a more savvy and charismatic demagogue. That's why the only Republicans who challenge Trump are the ones retiring from Congress.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)2019 and 2020 will be different
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Anything prior to their determination ends up being a waste.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)IphengeniaBlumgarten
(328 posts)Unless the Republicans turn against Trump and will vote with the Democrats to convict, impeachment will be seen as political grandstanding and divisive and will probably loose us the election.
You want to win an election? Then we need to try to advance legislation that helps people or the environment or does something else constructive.
You want moral? In politics? Ha.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Is it moral to help re-elect Donald Trump and the rest of his GOP minions? I'm gonna go with "no" on this one. Not the hardest moral question I'll face before lunch.
lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)It shows that dems can fight back and drain the swamp. People who went for frump said "All politicians are the same." This would taint frump as the problem and the dems as the solution. It would mean the gop would own everything bad about trump.
So, I say, impeach the bastad!
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)At least get the REPUBS on record JUST BEFORE 2020 election!! (I think this would be a plus for the election) It also depends on what happens BETWEEN now and then. Will be a long 2years!!
elocs
(22,571 posts)There is so much else to do that needs to be done, so there's no point in playing into their hands. Impeachment does not remove a president from office, just ask Bill Clinton.
How many would like to see Trump impeached even if it helps him to get reelected?
And in the unlikely event that the Senate convicts and Trump is removed from office, we will be left with President Pence, which would be an even worse nightmare. Id rather have the bumbling idiot remain in office for the reminder of his single term and get nothing done. I would like to see Trump indicted, tried, convicted and imprisoned after he leaves office. We just have to cross our fingers that there are no more vacancies on SCOTUS.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)That won't happen with impeachment.
sagesnow
(2,824 posts)from his supporters and Democrats do not have enough votes to remove him from office. Nothing will be gained.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Both the Democrats and Republicans in congress will have to make the toughest decisions of their lives.
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)makes me think hard about our situation for sure!!!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Or even talking about it. It is better to let public airing of Trump's crimes weigh him and republicans down in 2020.
Poiuyt
(18,123 posts)But they're different situations. I think people will be able to see the difference between conspiring against the U.S. and lying about a blow job.
Sometimes, impeachment is just the right thing to do.
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)then he must be impeached. If he hasnt then he shouldnt be impeached.
So which do you think the situation is?
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Nixon was re-elected with one of the highest margins ever, but faced impeachment when the public became outraged and Republicans in Congress had to drop him.
Impeaching Trump will happen if, and only if, the outrage reaches Nixonian levels. Otherwise, he'll just whine about how he's being treated and too many people will accept it.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)I'm not sure how may million dollars would be an equivalent gift, but doing this kind of damage to the nation would be inexcusable whatever the actual mechanism of trying to help Trump and the rest of his party.
RichardRay
(2,611 posts)Unless there is evidence such that even *this* Senate would convict him on the first vote, then no. Just trounce him at the polls and send him home to NYC.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)so for those who say must be principle and moral ...I say no winning is imperative.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Even if Mueller comes out with impeccable evidence, there will never be enough GOP senators to vote to convict. Better to concentrate on humiliating him electorally.
Let him run and be defeated, taking with him GOP senators.
That will also clear out more plausible GOP candidates, as Cruz et al aren't brave enough to challenge him. We'll have the way clear then for a real Dem majority.
That's not to say the Dems in the House should avoid confrontation. They should hold hearings all the time, drive home the idea of the criminality of the entire administration. That actually wouldn't come out in an impeachment trial, as there isn't enough time for all the evidence to be presented.
Shame him in House hearings, then humiliate him at the polls.
kentuck
(111,090 posts)It depends on how unpopular Trump is at that time .
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)convict is a fool's errand. The only thing that would be accomplished would be to even galvanize the mouth-breathers who adore him even further, and give the rest of the cowardly rethugs cover to snipe at the 'cowardly political assassin DemocRATS'. Let the House do its job with subpoenas and investigations while Muller's investigation plays out. With any luck at all, his findings will be so devastating that any Rethug lawmaker with an I.Q. higher than water's freezing point will bail on him in self-preservation.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)And it can planned for spring of 2020 with impeachment hearings...take 3 months on TV...then pass the articles of impeachment to senate in July/sept. McConnel has to do the trial.let GOP defend the crook
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)... a "win" means we get President Pence.
Nope, just leave him in place. Investigate, expose, show him for the shit he is. If prosecution needs to happen, jail Kushner, Ivanka, Uday and Qusay. Jail Bannon, Miller.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Demagogues use the politics of division and resentment to make themselves the focal point of every action. Direct attacks on the demagogue become equivalent to attacks on his supporters and distract from the fact that the demagogue has not solved any problems.
They way to fight the demagogue is through policy. Democrats need to focus on passing good legislation. If we pass a bill to improve healthcare, the Republicans have to go along with it or come up with something better. If they do, great. If they don't, it's an issue for 2020.
On edit: We should still investigate. If there is enough to turn Republicans against him, then we can impeach him. But I don't foresee this happening now. The base is too brainwashed.
pwb
(11,261 posts)I would however enjoy the show very much.
kentuck
(111,090 posts)...would want to impeach him?
Should Democrats still refuse to impeach?
pwb
(11,261 posts)Like I said i would really enjoy the show. Its just so unlikely that 15 or 20 rebukes would put country first? Honored I got your attention with my reply Kentuck, I really enjoy your posts. Peace.
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)If there is enough damage done in the next two years, THEN RIGHT BEFORE the 2020 election could we take the advantage and force REPUG senators to make a choice? Would we win this fight then?
Initech
(100,068 posts)We kicked his ass this year and we'll do it again in 2020. I'd rather just stay on the path that we're on. Impeachment would only be a colossal mess.
Bayard
(22,063 posts)On one hand, the Dems could be seen as vindictive and power mad just in time for 2020 (Irony, thy name is Republican). On the other hand, every day he stays in office, he's killing our environment, our laws, and our standing around the world.
Things could look a lot different in the next several months, either way.