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Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:44 AM

Your thoughts here. Would it be to our advantage to impeach RUMP

Right before 2020 election? (if he's still there) Would this help us win votes? (THIS would force REPUBS in the senate to take a stand)

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Reply Your thoughts here. Would it be to our advantage to impeach RUMP (Original post)
bluestarone Nov 2018 OP
agingdem Nov 2018 #1
bluestarone Nov 2018 #2
manor321 Nov 2018 #3
sellitman Nov 2018 #4
bluestarone Nov 2018 #5
old guy Nov 2018 #11
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #27
wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #6
Garrett78 Nov 2018 #16
wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #43
Renew Deal Nov 2018 #7
tblue37 Nov 2018 #8
IphengeniaBlumgarten Nov 2018 #9
Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #24
lindysalsagal Nov 2018 #10
bluestarone Nov 2018 #12
elocs Nov 2018 #13
djg21 Nov 2018 #14
dawg day Nov 2018 #29
sagesnow Nov 2018 #15
shockey80 Nov 2018 #17
bluestarone Nov 2018 #18
Blue_true Nov 2018 #19
Poiuyt Nov 2018 #20
Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #21
TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #22
Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #23
RichardRay Nov 2018 #25
Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #26
dawg day Nov 2018 #28
kentuck Nov 2018 #30
COLGATE4 Nov 2018 #31
beachbum bob Nov 2018 #32
JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2018 #33
marylandblue Nov 2018 #34
pwb Nov 2018 #35
kentuck Nov 2018 #36
pwb Nov 2018 #37
kentuck Nov 2018 #38
bluestarone Nov 2018 #40
Initech Nov 2018 #39
Bayard Nov 2018 #41
brooklynite Nov 2018 #42

Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:46 AM

1. no advantage..

want a sea of subpoenas, investigations, public congressional testimony...

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Response to agingdem (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:47 AM

2. THAT too for sure!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:52 AM

3. It's not a political question, it's a moral one

 

If impeachable offenses are discovered, the Congress has a duty to carry through with impeachment. Period.

This isn't difficult.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:54 AM

4. +1 N/T

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Response to manor321 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:56 AM

5. Agree with this

BUT closer to 2020 would be best time in my thoughts!

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Response to manor321 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:48 AM

11. IMO this is the correct answer.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:13 PM

27. NO...waste of time and money unless they can get rid of him.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:05 AM

6. Yes. I think Repubs will turn on trump. He is useless to them now.

 

Nothing will get past both the Senate and House so Repubs have no agenda.

The Dems will investigate everything giving Repubs the choice of sticking with trump or acting independent of him.

Repubs will have to run someone against trump in 2020. Pence could be their pick. Giving Pence a few months in office before the election is in their favor.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:34 PM

16. Turning on Trump would completely doom them in 2020.

Trump's base would be outraged. Turnout for Pence would be abysmal. The Republican Party is better off suffering losses in the short-term until they come up with a more savvy and charismatic demagogue. That's why the only Republicans who challenge Trump are the ones retiring from Congress.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 09:41 PM

43. I think that was true for 2018 but I think

 

2019 and 2020 will be different

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:06 AM

7. Nothing can happen until the Mueller investigation is done

Anything prior to their determination ends up being a waste.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:08 AM

8. No. nt

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:09 AM

9. No. Not at all.

Unless the Republicans turn against Trump and will vote with the Democrats to convict, impeachment will be seen as political grandstanding and divisive and will probably loose us the election.

You want to win an election? Then we need to try to advance legislation that helps people or the environment or does something else constructive.

You want moral? In politics? Ha.

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Response to IphengeniaBlumgarten (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:01 PM

24. Agreed. This actually is a moral question, though:

Is it moral to help re-elect Donald Trump and the rest of his GOP minions? I'm gonna go with "no" on this one. Not the hardest moral question I'll face before lunch.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:45 AM

10. Yes, even if it doesn't get the senate votes: It puts him on total defence and everyone on notice.

It shows that dems can fight back and drain the swamp. People who went for frump said "All politicians are the same." This would taint frump as the problem and the dems as the solution. It would mean the gop would own everything bad about trump.

So, I say, impeach the bastad!

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:55 AM

12. YEP

At least get the REPUBS on record JUST BEFORE 2020 election!! (I think this would be a plus for the election) It also depends on what happens BETWEEN now and then. Will be a long 2years!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:00 PM

13. No. The GOP would love to see House Democrats impeach Trump.

There is so much else to do that needs to be done, so there's no point in playing into their hands. Impeachment does not remove a president from office, just ask Bill Clinton.
How many would like to see Trump impeached even if it helps him to get reelected?

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Response to elocs (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:28 PM

14. Agree.

 

And in the unlikely event that the Senate convicts and Trump is removed from office, we will be left with President Pence, which would be an even worse nightmare. I’d rather have the bumbling idiot remain in office for the reminder of his single term and get nothing done. I would like to see Trump indicted, tried, convicted and imprisoned after he leaves office. We just have to cross our fingers that there are no more vacancies on SCOTUS.

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Response to djg21 (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:28 PM

29. Good point-- If Trump runs and loses in 2020, Pence will be gone.

That won't happen with impeachment.

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Response to elocs (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:30 PM

15. Agreed. Impeachment will gain tRump more sympathy

from his supporters and Democrats do not have enough votes to remove him from office. Nothing will be gained.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:36 PM

17. No one knows the answer. What we are about to witness will be unbelievable.

 

Both the Democrats and Republicans in congress will have to make the toughest decisions of their lives.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:43 PM

18. Good answer

makes me think hard about our situation for sure!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:52 PM

19. Unless there is ironclad evidence against him, we are better off avoiding impeachment.

Or even talking about it. It is better to let public airing of Trump's crimes weigh him and republicans down in 2020.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:58 PM

20. Everyone wants to compare a Trump impeachment with Clinton's impeachment

But they're different situations. I think people will be able to see the difference between conspiring against the U.S. and lying about a blow job.

Sometimes, impeachment is just the right thing to do.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:30 PM

21. If he has committed impeachable offenses

then he must be impeached. If he hasn’t then he shouldn’t be impeached.

So which do you think the situation is?

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:36 PM

22. No. The Clinton impeachment was seen as a stunt and actually improved his numbers...

Nixon was re-elected with one of the highest margins ever, but faced impeachment when the public became outraged and Republicans in Congress had to drop him.

Impeaching Trump will happen if, and only if, the outrage reaches Nixonian levels. Otherwise, he'll just whine about how he's being treated and too many people will accept it.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:53 PM

23. Wouldn't it be simpler to just have the DNC write the GOP a check?

I'm not sure how may million dollars would be an equivalent gift, but doing this kind of damage to the nation would be inexcusable whatever the actual mechanism of trying to help Trump and the rest of his party.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:06 PM

25. No, unless

Unless there is evidence such that even *this* Senate would convict him on the first vote, then no. Just trounce him at the polls and send him home to NYC.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:10 PM

26. No...and I think it would be immoral to do something that might give Trump another term....

so for those who say must be principle and moral ...I say no winning is imperative.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:26 PM

28. I think it's too late to get an impeachment going-

Even if Mueller comes out with impeccable evidence, there will never be enough GOP senators to vote to convict. Better to concentrate on humiliating him electorally.


Let him run and be defeated, taking with him GOP senators.
That will also clear out more plausible GOP candidates, as Cruz et al aren't brave enough to challenge him. We'll have the way clear then for a real Dem majority.

That's not to say the Dems in the House should avoid confrontation. They should hold hearings all the time, drive home the idea of the criminality of the entire administration. That actually wouldn't come out in an impeachment trial, as there isn't enough time for all the evidence to be presented.

Shame him in House hearings, then humiliate him at the polls.



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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:28 PM

30. Maybe ?

It depends on how unpopular Trump is at that time .

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:30 PM

31. Impeaching without having the votes in the Senate to

convict is a fool's errand. The only thing that would be accomplished would be to even galvanize the mouth-breathers who adore him even further, and give the rest of the cowardly rethugs cover to snipe at the 'cowardly political assassin DemocRATS'. Let the House do its job with subpoenas and investigations while Muller's investigation plays out. With any luck at all, his findings will be so devastating that any Rethug lawmaker with an I.Q. higher than water's freezing point will bail on him in self-preservation.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:38 PM

32. Depends....if his crimes ruse to the level, this it's our duty to...

 

And it can planned for spring of 2020 with impeachment hearings...take 3 months on TV...then pass the articles of impeachment to senate in July/sept. McConnel has to do the trial.let GOP defend the crook

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:51 PM

33. No. It would be a big expense of time, money, political capital. And, ...

... a "win" means we get President Pence.

Nope, just leave him in place. Investigate, expose, show him for the shit he is. If prosecution needs to happen, jail Kushner, Ivanka, Uday and Qusay. Jail Bannon, Miller.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:20 PM

34. You cannot defeat a demagogue with impeachment

Demagogues use the politics of division and resentment to make themselves the focal point of every action. Direct attacks on the demagogue become equivalent to attacks on his supporters and distract from the fact that the demagogue has not solved any problems.

They way to fight the demagogue is through policy. Democrats need to focus on passing good legislation. If we pass a bill to improve healthcare, the Republicans have to go along with it or come up with something better. If they do, great. If they don't, it's an issue for 2020.

On edit: We should still investigate. If there is enough to turn Republicans against him, then we can impeach him. But I don't foresee this happening now. The base is too brainwashed.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:22 PM

35. Republicans would if it was a democrat, but no.

I would however enjoy the show very much.

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Response to pwb (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:28 PM

36. Is it conceivable that he could become so unpopular that the majority of Republicans ....?

...would want to impeach him?

Should Democrats still refuse to impeach?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:38 PM

37. I guess if two thirds of the senate was for it? Then yes.

Like I said i would really enjoy the show. Its just so unlikely that 15 or 20 rebukes would put country first? Honored I got your attention with my reply Kentuck, I really enjoy your posts. Peace.

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Response to pwb (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:41 PM

38. ....

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Response to kentuck (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:46 PM

40. That's kinda my point

If there is enough damage done in the next two years, THEN RIGHT BEFORE the 2020 election could we take the advantage and force REPUG senators to make a choice? Would we win this fight then?

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:44 PM

39. No it's more fun watching him squirm.

We kicked his ass this year and we'll do it again in 2020. I'd rather just stay on the path that we're on. Impeachment would only be a colossal mess.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:20 PM

41. Kind of torn...

On one hand, the Dems could be seen as vindictive and power mad just in time for 2020 (Irony, thy name is Republican). On the other hand, every day he stays in office, he's killing our environment, our laws, and our standing around the world.

Things could look a lot different in the next several months, either way.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:42 PM

42. Nope

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