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Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:09 PM

Bill Nelson deserved better from the people of Florida

This former Floridian thanks you for your service

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Reply Bill Nelson deserved better from the people of Florida (Original post)
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2018 OP
NightWatcher Nov 2018 #1
Progressive Jones Nov 2018 #2
Vinca Nov 2018 #3
atreides1 Nov 2018 #4
mcar Nov 2018 #5
PeeJ52 Nov 2018 #6
JCMach1 Nov 2018 #7
Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #8
UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #10
Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #13
UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #15
Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #32
radius777 Nov 2018 #11
Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #14
Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #25
Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #31
UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #9
Roland99 Nov 2018 #16
UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #18
Roland99 Nov 2018 #19
LBM20 Nov 2018 #22
peekaloo Nov 2018 #33
Sunsky Nov 2018 #29
lpbk2713 Nov 2018 #12
Stidham8 Nov 2018 #17
LBM20 Nov 2018 #21
rockfordfile Nov 2018 #20
LBM20 Nov 2018 #23
FL_Jerry Nov 2018 #24
In It to Win It Nov 2018 #36
Turbineguy Nov 2018 #26
Scurrilous Nov 2018 #27
Takket Nov 2018 #28
peekaloo Nov 2018 #35
JI7 Nov 2018 #30
In It to Win It Nov 2018 #37
peekaloo Nov 2018 #34

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:12 PM

1. Maybe we try as hard to secure the vote as repukes have tried to deny the vote?

I'm Florida Man and I vote D anytime there's an election.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:15 PM

2. This nation deserves better than Florida, period. nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:15 PM

3. Wasn't this most likely a ballot design issue? It sounds like the race for Senate

was beneath the instructions for filling out the ballot and was easily missed. Add to that what appears to be incredibly incompetent people running the voting and it's a wonder it was so close. I feel sorry for the people of Florida being stuck with Scott for 6 years.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:15 PM

4. Yes he did!!

But at least the rest of us now know that the majority of voters in Florida are supporters of racism and have sent a thief who stole from them to the US Senate!!

And as long as the Republicans control the state every election is going to be a giant shitshow...and we all know that the Republicans aren't going to fix the system!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:12 PM

5. Yes, he did

Now we're stuck with Gov DeRacist and Sen Voldemort.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:48 PM

6. I've lived in Florida for 40+ years...

 

and I give up. I think Nelson didn't run a very good race, but still can't see how Floridians can vote for a known crook that swindled Medicare and got 64 million dollars richer since he's been governor of Florida. He turned down money for rail that would have been a boon to the economy. He was the major fighter against Obamacare. If Nelson would have run any kind of campaign, Scott shouldn't have had a chance. Like I said... I give up... I'm taking my social security check to Canada where I don't have to worry about crazy rednecks shooting up grocery stores...

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Response to PeeJ52 (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:20 PM

7. He was outspent at least 3-1 last figures I saw...

Probably much more when black money is factored in...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:23 PM

8. It's hard to ignore the facts: Florida has taken a hard right turn

They seem to have decided they want to be Texas.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:26 PM

10. He lost by 10K votes. It's neck and neck. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:34 PM

13. Look at the bigger picture though

Yes, Obama won Florida twice. However, they haven't had a Democratic governor since Lawton Chiles (16 years), Marco Rubio won reelection, and Scott (who was horribly unpopular just six years ago) won the seat held by a very long-term Senator. In a seat we likely should have won, Brian Mast defeated Lauren Baer. Yes, Shalala picked up Ros-Leithenen's old seat in Miami, but bottom line is that the state is red and getting redder.

Is it insurmountable? No, but we may need to wait for demographics to shift some more.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:47 PM

15. I'm not giving up on Florida..........yet............nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 12:49 AM

32. I'd never say give up

But the Party needs to change its approach.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:29 PM

11. I don't agree, it was a razor thin race.

If Dems get their act together in the state, ie properly target/turn out our voters, fight voter suppression, make it easier to vote (that confusing ballot in Broward is the fault of Dems) we could imo easily turn FL light blue.

Obama won FL twice, despite the incompetence and weakness of the FL Dem party.

TX itself has moved in a blue direction, Hillary only lost by 9 and Beto by 3.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:37 PM

14. You'll get no argument from me that the FL party needs better leadership

I thought, and still think, that Gillum was a great candidate.

I'd love to see Buddy Dyer run for the Senate against Rubio, but the next shot will be 2022, and IIRC he will be 64.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:57 PM

25. You post this repeatedly and you are wrong every time

 

Ideology is the variable, not flawed subjectivity.

The ideology in Florida has not changed further to the right. The state has 36-39% conservatives every time, depending on whether it is a presidential year or midterm. States like Texas and North Carolina and even Georgia always have 42% conservatives or higher.

It was 39% conservatives this time because older voters showed up in greater frequency than young voters. Big shock. If we had a 2016 electorate this year with 36% conservatives and 25% liberals in Florida, and 60% of the electorate aged 45+ instead of 75% aged 45+ like this year, then both Gillum and Nelson would have won. Independents slanting our way would have been more than enough.

Florida is a difficult state to maximize and Republicans recently have figured out a way to boost rural turnout and percentage, while also limiting losses in Miami-Dade County. That is what is going on. We have favorable trends in Duval (Jacksonville) and Orange (Orlando) but need to do a better job in the Tampa area.

Bottom line, Florida is like a good college football team in a very good conference...ending up with one frustrating tight loss after another. Anyone who knows anything about power ratings knows that teams like that can maintain very high power ratings despite the won/loss record, and are hardly a lost cause.

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 12:48 AM

31. You say I'm wrong, but yet Scott is in the Senate and DeSantis is in the Governor's Mansion.

The Republicans have won the Governorship 4 straight times

The outgoing Republican Governor knocked off a three-term Senator (this rarely happens, regardless of party), and did so in a year in which that outgoing governor is taking a lot of heat for the water management policies that exacerbated the Red Tide.

We picked up a whopping two Congressional districts, and one was via the retirement of Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, who (by Republican standards) is pretty moderate (not that I'm not happy for Donna Shalala). And while I'm thrilled Mucarsel-Powell squeaked by Curbelo, it was by less than a point in an election with the President's popularity running consistently around 40% nationally.

Bottom line, Florida is like a good college football team in a very good conference...ending up with one frustrating tight loss after another. Anyone who knows anything about power ratings knows that teams like that can maintain very high power ratings despite the won/loss record, and are hardly a lost cause.


If a college team squeaks by 12 opponents, but wins every game by a point, then they are an undefeated team. They will go to a bowl game or a playoff. If a college team loses close games by 1 point to 12 opponents, the team is 0-12, and most likely the coach gets fired. There are no "good losses." We aren't 0-12 in Florida, and they aren't 12-0, but they consistently win key races.They hold both Senate seats; they hold the Governor's Mansion; and despite picking up two seats, they still hold a majority of the Congressional districts in Florida. I'd point out that we picked up no seats in districts Trump won - even where he won by a small margin.

And I've yet to see a standard bearer emerge in Florida. We've seen a string of failures (in no particular order and for no particular race) - Buddy Dyer, Bette Castor, Alex Sink, Bill McBride, Kendrick Meek, and now Gillum. Who is going to challenge DeSantis? Who is going to challenge Marco Rubio? Right now, I'm not seeing it. Sorry.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:25 PM

9. Bill Nelson lost because of ballot design...a stupid, foolish and proven flawed ballot was used

 

anyway!

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 08:24 PM

16. And a poorly run campaign. He joined the fray way too late

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 08:49 PM

18. It was ballot design 100% ....proof is that the Dem AG got more votes than Nelson...the Dem

 

AG ballot position was prominent and at the top. Bill's was under instructions and at the bottom. When you see the ballot it's obvious that is the reason why he lost. That was the reason for the undervote. Nelson really did win.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 09:37 PM

19. The point is it shouldn't have come to that. What I said stands. And I called this defeat months ago

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:06 PM

22. You knew it there was going to be a shitty ballot? Crystal ball?

 

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:13 AM

33. No, Roland99 was sounding the alarm for months due to the lack of response from

Nelson's team on Scott's early commercial deluge.

Nelson was playing from behind the entire race.









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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 12:32 AM

29. I agree. We need a recall election for Brenda Snipes.

She should not be our SOE for the 2020 election.
The Republicans will always win in close statewide elections if Broward elections are ineptly run.
As I've stated before, the Panhandle's vote can't supersede the vote from the heavily populated tri-county Democratic stronghold. Republicans know they can't rely solely on the Panhandle to win Florida. It is for this reason the Republicans will always find ways to suppress the vote in Broward, Miami-dade and Palm Beach counties. So yes Brenda, of course the state officials would have agreed to your ballot design . Democrats need to open our eyes.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:32 PM

12. We will probably be stuck with Snott for a long time.




Because Florida voters consistently vote against their own interests.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 08:27 PM

17. It's scary to think about 2020 now

 

Florida will be critical as usual. The entire state is now Red and it'll be tough to flip it back in 2020.

We have struggled winning Florida aside from Obama. I don't know if we have a potential candidate with the charisma he had to put us over the top there again.

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Response to Stidham8 (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:06 PM

21. Almost just won it. Razor close. EVERYONE on our side needs to VOTE!

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:04 PM

20. You will have to win Florida to win the Presidency

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:07 PM

23. No. Hillary's wins plus PA, MI, and WI wins it.

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:10 PM

24. It's the panhandle

Of Florida, 75 percent sometimes higher R vote. We need to get it down to high 60s at least, or suppress the vote with targeted negative barrages. Its lower Alabama, so I'm not sure what the strategy should be, but ignoring it isn't working.

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Response to FL_Jerry (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:02 AM

36. It's also the South Florida counties

Turnout is still piss poor. If turnout wasn’t so poor in the liberal parts of the state, Democrats would win.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:58 PM

26. Indeed he did.

But sometimes the Romans vote for the Visgoths.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:34 PM

27. I take solace in the fact that Miami Dade flipped two house seats.

State wise it was disappointing...again.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:51 PM

28. Fear not, Florida..............

Despite the DISASTER this election was in florida, you DID pass prop 4 which restores voting rights to a LOT of people that were unfairly disenfranchised after serving their time. And I'm willing to bet those people are pretty damn angry at the rethugs that did this to them to supress he vote.

The Dems need to be reaching out and making sure all these persons get registered before 2020, and vote blue. We can flip this state back with the new demographics.

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Response to Takket (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:25 AM

35. Well

Alex Sink was on a local radio station recently and wasn't so optimistic. The Board that oversees this restoration includes the Governor, Attorney General and AG Commissioner (undetermined?) and a couple of others to which I'm experiencing a brain fart at the moment. The point being most, if not all, of these spots will be filled by candidates who opposed the language of that amendment as being "too liberal".

The voters also approved medical marijuana a cycle or two ago and the Legislature not only dragged their feet but did their best to water it down.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 12:38 AM

30. so fucking disgusting. really makes me so turned off to Florida

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Response to JI7 (Reply #30)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:03 AM

37. Dont give up on us yet 😞

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:16 AM

34. Bill Nelson was a tireless advocate for the people of his state.

Easily accessible and accommodating usually on issues of VA service, SS and Medicare/Medicaid.

Rick Scott will further enrich himself and his cronies.

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