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See if you can spot the difference between these two NYT headlines: (Original Post) kpete Nov 2018 OP
Damn you, librul media! Cirque du So-What Nov 2018 #1
That's what I said Roland99 Nov 2018 #3
I like the pictures UpInArms Nov 2018 #2
Also, Ivanka is posing like a model in this staged photo, not captured in the middle of deurbano Nov 2018 #25
She's like her mom, she's always posing... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #36
One cast as a victim and one cast as a criminal. Midnight Writer Nov 2018 #59
republicans get a free freaking pass Achilleaze Nov 2018 #4
This is a good example to make note of. calimary Nov 2018 #26
It's now a crime Johnny2X2X Nov 2018 #5
I'm with you Pa-Kid Nov 2018 #6
What was that "phrase that pays" again? calimary Nov 2018 #28
Was there an actual law change passed by Congress and signed by a presdident? 3Hotdogs Nov 2018 #8
records retention act..... getagrip_already Nov 2018 #11
Good. 3Hotdogs Nov 2018 #12
But laws dont apply to the Trumps. you should know that by now!!! 7962 Nov 2018 #47
FOIA Improvement Act of 2016 Johnny2X2X Nov 2018 #18
Ivanka's lawyer claims she didn't break any laws IronLionZion Nov 2018 #13
Heh. Here's another... Roland99 Nov 2018 #7
But that is both sides are equal math surely? For dupes. BSdetect Nov 2018 #10
Yep. Another fine example. calimary Nov 2018 #29
I hope somebody asks Lindsay Graham if he plans to investigate Ivanka's e-mails. GoCubsGo Nov 2018 #9
Ah! Good point! ChiTownDenny Nov 2018 #40
And, when Hillary did it, it was against policy, but not against the law. It is NOW against the law. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #14
The FOIA Improvement Act of 2016 Johnny2X2X Nov 2018 #19
Nasty. ananda Nov 2018 #15
But..but...but.. workinclasszero Nov 2018 #16
They did change the headline dsc Nov 2018 #17
Crap like this is why I stopped reading the NYT. lilactime Nov 2018 #20
Same here Raven123 Nov 2018 #33
Translation... Takket Nov 2018 #21
She unaware of the rules on using a private email? Did she live under a rock or a mushroom? Autumn Nov 2018 #22
Bingo! And that's the basis for the start of her interrogation. JudyM Nov 2018 #38
Yeah "Under a mushroom" just flowed from my fingers Autumn Nov 2018 #39
Oh lord. that took a minute to sink in. Ewwwwwwwwww 7962 Nov 2018 #48
Seriously. When I saw I had typed I washed my fingers in bleach Autumn Nov 2018 #50
Ewww. Control-Z Nov 2018 #57
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #23
Headline at NYTimes.com now jayschool2013 Nov 2018 #24
It's sickening how the NYTimes has become propagandists for Trump Dopers_Greed Nov 2018 #27
T H I S is why we are where we are at Cosmocat Nov 2018 #30
Interesting timing for this: flibbitygiblets Nov 2018 #31
OMG.... IT'S TRUE! PeeJ52 Nov 2018 #32
It's now on their front page. They heard you! 7962 Nov 2018 #49
Why do the mince around the violations where the Czar's family are concerned? Texin Nov 2018 #34
this is the exact reason I no longer subscribe to NYT. lark Nov 2018 #35
The NYTwere assholes to Hillary Clinton on the e-mail story Gothmog Nov 2018 #37
She must have been out shopping during the months that Clinton was attacked. Probably didn't know. Firestorm49 Nov 2018 #41
Did you also see this... Pluvious Nov 2018 #42
This! ffr Nov 2018 #54
It's Always Been the Conservative Media-Why Not Refer to It That Way? dlk Nov 2018 #43
NY Times devolves into corporate mouthpiece Byte606 Nov 2018 #44
The MSM and their fucking equivalence doctrine RainCaster Nov 2018 #45
Schmidt and Haberman are two of the reasons that IDGAD about the NY Times. r/o BlueInRedHell Nov 2018 #46
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Nov 2018 #51
FUCK YOU TOOL, NYT Cha Nov 2018 #52
Michael Schmidt and similar "Correspondents" waste our time on MSNBC also. Ugh. nt Prof.Higgins Nov 2018 #53
NYT is not what it once was. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2018 #55
wow how transparent is that. barbtries Nov 2018 #56
That's because the Clinton version was a paid ad, run by Putin and his rich comrades. C Moon Nov 2018 #58
So Michael thinks True Blue American Nov 2018 #60

UpInArms

(51,282 posts)
2. I like the pictures
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 08:57 AM
Nov 2018

One cast on a dark background and the other showing .... light and flags and ...

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
25. Also, Ivanka is posing like a model in this staged photo, not captured in the middle of
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:46 AM
Nov 2018

gesturing and speaking, which is much more real, but doesn't look as flattering in a photo.

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
36. She's like her mom, she's always posing...
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 11:21 AM
Nov 2018

there is no 'natural' pose for them. They're always trying to be camera ready.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
4. republicans get a free freaking pass
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 08:59 AM
Nov 2018

Shame on the Times, which is making messes & muddles more and more. Do your job.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
26. This is a good example to make note of.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:49 AM
Nov 2018

Keep ‘em coming! They just prove our point. WHAT “liberal media”?

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
5. It's now a crime
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:04 AM
Nov 2018

The laws were changed. What Hillary did was clearly not illegal, what Ivanka did was.

Headline should have been, “Ivanka caught commiting crime, should be indicted and arrested.”

3Hotdogs

(12,374 posts)
8. Was there an actual law change passed by Congress and signed by a presdident?
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:19 AM
Nov 2018

If so, I missed that.

getagrip_already

(14,742 posts)
11. records retention act.....
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:25 AM
Nov 2018

It's a real law. There are also presidential directives ordering compliance.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
18. FOIA Improvement Act of 2016
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:59 AM
Nov 2018

Signed by President Obama in June of 2016, makes it an actual crime to delete emails of government business. Once she started using her private email for government business she would not have been allowed to delete any emails off that server. Using a private email is against the rules, deleting any emails off that server would be a crime. So her entire email history off that server is accessible to the public via FOIA and if she has been found to have deleted a single email she is guilty of a crime. Even spam, or an email sent to her by mistake, or an old friend sending her a cupcake recipe. Click delete, you've committed a crime.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
13. Ivanka's lawyer claims she didn't break any laws
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:30 AM
Nov 2018

which law covers this? If she broke the law, then she should be prosecuted.

This sounds like it's blatantly wrong but not illegal.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. And, when Hillary did it, it was against policy, but not against the law. It is NOW against the law.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:31 AM
Nov 2018

Congress passed some bill after the Hillary thing, to make it clear that it's against the law or official rules or whatever, to do what she did. Before, it was general policy is all.

I should look up exactly what Congress did...but I don't have time right now. I just recall that they made the email thing official in some way, after the Hillary issue, to make it clear that it's serious & not optional.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
19. The FOIA Improvement Act of 2016
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:02 AM
Nov 2018

And the crime would be deleting any emails off the server after you have used that personal email for government business. This would extend to any emails she received or sent, who doesn't delete emails everyday?

The idea is that you can't delete anything off a government email server so the public can FOIA it. Once you use your private email you've not only violated the rules, but you've committed a crime if you've deleted a single email.

Raven123

(4,830 posts)
33. Same here
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:59 AM
Nov 2018

I cancelled my NYT subscription during the campaign in 2008 for this nonsense. Nothing has changed

Takket

(21,563 posts)
21. Translation...
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:19 AM
Nov 2018

When a Democrat MIGHT have done something wrong, they should be villified. If a rethug does something wrong, it is just an “excuse for Dems to whine even more than usual”.

the double standard is sickening.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
22. She unaware of the rules on using a private email? Did she live under a rock or a mushroom?
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:27 AM
Nov 2018

What the fuck did she think was daddy dearest reasons for the "Lock her up" mantra that gets him off?

JudyM

(29,236 posts)
38. Bingo! And that's the basis for the start of her interrogation.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 01:03 PM
Nov 2018

Have you heard your father calling for locking up HRC? How many times, approximately, including in person and in news coverage?
What did you understand to be the basis for that call?

“Under a mushroom”

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
50. Seriously. When I saw I had typed I washed my fingers in bleach
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 04:58 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Tue Nov 20, 2018, 06:52 PM - Edit history (1)

Response to kpete (Original post)

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
32. OMG.... IT'S TRUE!
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:55 AM
Nov 2018

Fox News .Com does not even have a story about it. Unbelievable... It'S not even news to them or they don't know how to spin it yet.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
49. It's now on their front page. They heard you!
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 04:57 PM
Nov 2018

Had to go look after you said that. Post time is an hour ago though.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
34. Why do the mince around the violations where the Czar's family are concerned?
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 11:11 AM
Nov 2018

And while they're playing the "what about..." game, what about the old expression used by prosecutors and judges: Ignorance of the law (rules) is no defense for violating them. I've been baffled as to why the mainstream media are so hesitant to just flat out state in plain terms what those flagrant violations, broken laws, etc. are being abused in plain terms and not couched in euphemisms equivocations.

lark

(23,097 posts)
35. this is the exact reason I no longer subscribe to NYT.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 11:16 AM
Nov 2018

They have Clinton Derangement Syndrome and I'm so extremely sick of it.

Firestorm49

(4,032 posts)
41. She must have been out shopping during the months that Clinton was attacked. Probably didn't know.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 01:22 PM
Nov 2018

After all, she's a Trump.

Byte606

(11 posts)
44. NY Times devolves into corporate mouthpiece
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 03:04 PM
Nov 2018

Excellent post. The NYTimes is a pathetic shell of its former self.

RainCaster

(10,870 posts)
45. The MSM and their fucking equivalence doctrine
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 03:44 PM
Nov 2018

One is not the same as the other. After DFT and the GOP made such a big damn deal of it in the 2016 election, you would think Ivanka knew better.

BlueInRedHell

(100 posts)
46. Schmidt and Haberman are two of the reasons that IDGAD about the NY Times. r/o
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 04:22 PM
Nov 2018

Their reporting is just *not* relevant.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
60. So Michael thinks
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 03:53 AM
Nov 2018

It was just fine to threaten Hillary with jail as Trump did but it will be Democrats taking revenge investigating Ivanka doing the same?

Yeah, Right!

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