On Avenatti....

[pbmus]

Link to tweet

[11cents]

1. He's deflecting to Wohl's obvious bullshit...

...to give the impression that the Wohl claim and the inaccurate TMZ report is the entirety of the allegation. That is not the case. The girlfriend who made the charge has now come forward. To clear himself he has to show that she set him up and/or is just lying, not that Wohl babbled on Twitter or that TMZ got facts wrong. If he continues to go on about Wohl and TMZ, it will suggest that the allegation is true.

[Kaleva]

2. It's comical that Avenattii has put himself in the same class as Mueller.

My guess is tha Mueller would never want to work with or have work for him someone like Avenantti.

[Wintryjade]

3. I see a pattern with Avenatti. He threatens boldly. That is it.

I have yet to see any results.

Am I off?

[Kaleva]

7. Well, his cleient Stormy Daniels now owes Trump a lot of money.

So, there is that.

"Stormy Daniels Told to Pay Trump’s Legal Fees After Defamation Suit


The money now owed by Ms. Clifford to compensate Mr. Trump’s team of lawyers for their work on the case over nearly six months will not be insignificant. While Charles J. Harder, a lawyer for Mr. Trump, said Monday that the fees had yet to be determined, the case required several lawyers and multiple court filings. At least four lawyers represented the president at a recent court hearing in Los Angeles, and one filing drew on research that cited more than three dozen cases as precedent."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/admin/stormy-daniels-lawsuit-dismissed-trump.html

[Wintryjade]

9. Hm. I guess that says something. Thank you for the information.

[FreeState]

8. Yep your off

last I checked Cohen had flipped and it's become obvious both to the state of New York and most likely Muller that Trump was behind the payment (as Avenatti claimed). Unless something else happened I am unaware of, but last I checked the State of NY was still pursuing this...

[jberryhill]

10. A few corrections

First off, that does not involve the state of New York. Cohen is being prosecuted by FEDERAL prosecutors in the FEDERAL district court for the southern district of New York. Those prosecutors had received a referral from Mieller to pursue that investigation before Avenatti had any business with Daniels. The basic outline of the payoff was published in the WSJ, and complaints were filed by Common Cause in the FEC and DOJ in January.

[FreeState]

13. The State of NY is pursuing Cohens claims

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/22/new-york-investigators-have-issued-subpoena-to-former-trump-lawyer-cohen-as-part-of-trump-foundation-probe-ap-reports.html

"Investigators in New York have subpoenaed President Donald Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen as part of a probe of the Trump Foundation, the Associated Press reported Wednesday."


https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/politics/new-york-tax-investigators-michael-cohen/index.html

New York tax investigators to meet with Cohen's attorney, at odds with federal prosecutors' request

[jberryhill]

16. Neither of which has anything to do with Avenatti

[Wintryjade]

11. Omg. Lol. So, because he said what many of us said, that makes him in some way a success?

Follow thru? This is my point. I am not seeing follow thru. I guess that is where I am coming from. So, thanks for the opportunity to more clearly see my issue with Avenatti.

Edited to add.

[uponit7771]

14. Would it be better if he talked soft and nice and gave them stern warnings with frowning eyebrows?

Sounds like most of the fair critique of Avenatti is form vs substance

He's a thorn in Red Don's side and his good far outweighs the bad, not understand the picture some are trying to draw when it comes to him.

[Wintryjade]

15. For me, they are becoming empty threat. Imo, that is a weak.

[uponit7771]

17. Form, substance is he holds these people accountable more than we've seen out of people with power

[Wintryjade]

18. He threatens and promises a wrath. There is a way to hold people responsible without weakening

self with empty threat. I repeat, I feel it weakens one's position.

[uponit7771]

19. I've not seen him ... NOT ... follow through in most if not all the threats when possible. So I dont

... don't see that he only makes "threats".

I don't care that he makes threats, good ... screw with their heads when possible.

[jberryhill]

26. Follows through with what?

The only thing he’s accomplished thus far is to have a court issue a judgment against Daniels to pay Trump’s legal fees in the defamation case.

Other than harming his own client, he has followed through on nothing.

Where are the “ICE Whistlebowers”?



What’s on this DVD?



What, of tangible consequence, has he accomplished for anyone?

[uponit7771]

29. Everything! and I said "most" in my post to head of expectation of the false expectation of perfect

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The tangible consequence so far is he's getting under Benedict Donald's skin, I'm fine with that.

I'm not expecting Basta Man to frog march Red Don's family to a well and drop them in.

[jberryhill]

31. "Everything!"

Lol... good one.

I thought at least you would come up with his personal deportation of an asylum-seeker at his own expense, thus saving the government money.

The challenge is pretty simple - name one person for whom he has accomplished a tangible positive result. Just one name.

[uponit7771]

32. Me, he's gotten under Red Don's skin so your "challenge" has been meet. In regards to his

... law procedures we all know those are WIPs and deadlines weren't set at the time of claim.

If he's working on it I'm fine

This is the same shit folk did with Obama in regards to his promises; if he didn't have them done at the time they wanted them done then he is breaking the promise vs having them WIP.

Good try though, it's a bullcrap bar

[jberryhill]

33. He's gotten Red Don an award of attorney's fees

That's what he's done.

If the bar is "getting under Trump's skin", then tell me who hasn't? The man is notoriously thin-skinned.

The defamation case is not a WIP. It is over. Avenatti lost, and the only thing in dispute is the amount that Daniels has to pay.

The next hearing in the contract case is December 3 on the motions - requested by the judge - dismissing the case for mootness. In that case, the only thing that Avenatti is attempting to accomplish is to have the court declare the "hush" contract invalid so that Daniels can refund the $130k. That is the only goal left, since Avenatti withdrew the defamation claim against Cohen after realizing that Daniels could end up paying for that one too. The problem is that the defendants have already agreed to that outcome, so there is literally nothing to litigate.

You don't even know what the works in progress ARE.

[uponit7771]

34. Again, the bar of perfect was set by others is a BS bar that's why I said "most" when it comes

... to hit or misses.

Avenatti doesn't need to be perfect to be successful, that's not realistic.

There are a number of situations Avenatti is litigating that are WIP and I don't expect perfect out of those either.

There will be times he gets drop kicked, o well ... that's going to happen the office of the presidency is a mutha.

That doesn't mean he's failed overall, there's been no evidence of that.

You don't even know what the works in progress ARE.

I know what false expectations are and when it comes to Avenatti it seems those are being set, similar to Obama, to claim that there's failure when we ... BOTH ... know there are multiple items that are WIP.

[jberryhill]

35. "Abject Failure" is not comparable to expecting "perfection"

The defamation case is not a work in progress. It is over, done, kaput, decided. The only remaining "work" in that case is getting the judge to sign off on how much Daniels owes. The nice thing about legal work is that it may be complicated, but figuring out whether someone "won" or "lost" is not hard.

There are not "multiple items" that are WIP. The ONLY thing remaining in any of the Trump litigation being pursued by Avenatti is the contract recission claim. Whether that can go forward is the subject of a hearing on December 3, and the end of that road will be shortly thereafter if not from the bench on that day.

You do not know what "false expectations" here are, because you have not demonstrated any grasp of what Avenatti is even AIMING to accomplish in the remaining piece of the Daniels contract case.

Comparing him to Obama is pretty amazing. Avenatti hasn't performed a day of public service in his life, and has never received one vote for any office. He is primarily a self-aggrandizing publicity machine to the detriment of his own client.

[uponit7771]

36. Again the reason I said "most" I'm heading off the false expectation of perfect. I've not seen ...

... abject failure in ... ALL ... of the WIPs.

There ... ARE ... multiple items that are WIP ( one of them being the immigration case) its YOU who are narrowing the WIPs directly to Red Don only.

If you have any proof of ALL or most of the WIPs claimed publicly failing I'd like to know cause I've not seen them as mentioned in the parent thread.

Otherwise it looks like I'm asking for evidence of something then you change the scope and don't address the questions.

Thx in advance.

[jberryhill]

37. "one of them being the immigration case"

Oh?

He has an immigration case pending?

Where? For whom?

He made a big show of volunteering to deport one kid back to wherever, but hasn't done jack else.

[uponit7771]

41. Here's ... ONE ... of them (link) Took more time to load the page than to look for the results

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-avenatti-stormy-daniels-release-detained-guatemalan-boy-us-zero-tolerance-policy-a8492801.html

The lawyer taking on US president Donald Trump over his alleged affair with an adult film actress has secured the release of a nine-year-old boy from Guatemala at an immigration court.

A judge had initially denied Michael Avenatti’s request to dismiss the removal case against the boy, whose mother was deported in June.

Mr Avenatti and another lawyer had offered to take the boy from court to the airport and fly him to Guatemala.

Does thou protest too much?

tia

[jberryhill]

43. I had referred to his voluntary deportation of an asylum seeker

You are calling that a "win"?

The judge denied Avenatti's motion to dismiss the deportation case, and allowed Avenatti to deport the kid himself.

The point of them coming to the US was not to get a flight back to Guatemala.

He secured the release of the child on the condition that Avenatti see to it that the kid was kicked out of the US.

Well, yeah, if Avenatti promises to send them all back where they came from, the immigration court would turn them all over to him.

So, coming up empty-handed on any work-in-progress on that front? Or you think this surrender of that kid's asylum claim is a "win"? He can agree to deport as many as want him to do that for them. Mostly, they didn't come here to get deported.

[uponit7771]

44. WOW !! Lets just put you in the "I'd smash Avenatti in the minerals if I could" category to call

... joining a kid with his mother a "loss".

Well OK, here's another ... this one took less time than the previous WIN**

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2018/06/21/stormy-daniels-attorney-michael-avenatti-meets-immigrant-children-phoenix-shelter/721629002/

"There's 128 children presently inside gates with the vast majority of them being separated from their parents," he said, gesturing at the facility behind him. "It’s inexcusable that these children have been transported around the nation, shipped like cargo."

“This is a disgrace. It has no place in the world, let alone in the United States of America.

** To those who'd intimate they'd like to smash Avenatti in the minerals: Rejoining mother and a state kidnapped child ... IS ... a good thing and a step TOWARDS progress.

OBTW I do notice the goal post move, your request was - " He has an immigration case pending? Where? For whom? " I show one that's progressed positively and your response was it wasn't positive enough :rolleyes:

Come on man, you don't like him and I've shown were at least one of your claims about him is false (that he doesn't have more than one immigration case that's a WIP) ...

Anything else

[jberryhill]

45. Bizarre

" He has an immigration case pending? Where? For whom? "

You have yet to identify a pending case. You can name the parties, the docket number, or any other indication of a pending case. He hasn't been to Arizona since that trip, so it's not as if he's litigating anything there for anyone.

I had already referred to the voluntary deportation of that kid, after Avenatti lost the motion to avoid deportation.

Both of them could have stayed in Guatemala and reached the same result, but my impression was that they are intended to immigrate, and not take a grueling round trip for nothing.

[uponit7771]

46. NICE Strawman there !! I said "one of them being the immigration case" you slipped in pending into

... the conversation where I never did.

Pretty slick Jberry but I got cha ... :clicking_eyewink:

You a lawyer?

Either way, lets summarize ...

My claim

There ... ARE ... multiple items that are WIP ( one of them being the immigration case) its YOU who are narrowing the WIPs directly to Red Don only.

I have at least proven one case where the outcome was more positive with Avenatti being involved than not and another in the second WIP is he is representing 5 clients at one of Red Don's concentration camp for brown kids.

I'm sure there are more Avenatti WIPs when it comes to items (my word) ... I'm sure you're going to ignore doing a simple search

Both of them could have stayed in Guatemala and reached the same result, but my impression was that they are intended to immigrate, and not take a grueling round trip for nothing.

Yeah, you're right ... lets ignore the FACT that the child was kidnapped from his mother by Red Don's admin and Avenatti putting them together was a positive thing. :rolleyes:

[jberryhill]

47. So, to be clear

When you say "work in progress" - you don't mean "pending". Your use of "work in progress" is inclusive of things which are completed and no longer in progress.

Okay.

Do you have any idea how many cases actual litigators who are not TV personalities handle in a year?

[uponit7771]

48. WIP doesn't have to be pending and "items" don't have to be cases. No I don't know how many cases

... they litigate a year but I narrowed Avenatti's WIPs to "claimed public" so it's not everything he's got.

JB, I got it ... you don't like the guy and that's prolly not all of a bad thing ... no one should get free reign on anything

[csziggy]

4. The woman who is named as Avenatti's accuser looks a lot like the woman in the pic with Wohl!

Mareli Miniutti:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7796160/?ref_=nv_sr_1

(I can't find any photos to link to but there are some at her IMDB.com page above.)

[Kaleva]

5. She's been Avenattii's GF for about a year now.

[csziggy]

6. She still looks a lot like the woman with Wohl

[jberryhill]

20. Carolyn Cass and Mareli Miniutti are two different people

[csziggy]

21. Was it ever proven that the woman in the photo with Jacob Wohl was Carolyn Cass?

I thought there was some question about that.

[jberryhill]

24. Did you try reading the article which Avenatti tweeted?

It’s linked in the OP of this thread.

[csziggy]

27. Yes, I have read that article. No where is the woman pictured with Wolh identified

In that article either as Cass or anyone else.

This DU thread suggests that the woman in the photo with Wohl is not Cass:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100211353926

The original tweet that thread linked to is no longer available.

In addition I never claimed that I thought Avenatti's accuser and Cass were the same person. I just said that they look a lot a like.

[Hoyt]

12. Yeah -- arrest, bail, restraining order, eviction from office, order to pay law partner $4.8 M,

back taxes in 7 figures, client owing trump several hundred thousand in legal fees, hurting Dr. Ford’s case against Kavanaugh, etc., sure make Avenatti sound Presidential. Maybe he should switch to Republican Party.

[jberryhill]

23. Two divorces.

It’s getting to be like the twelve days of Christmas.

...Four closed coffee shops,
Three tax liens,
Two former wives,
And a judgment against his client.

[Hoyt]

25. Worse than I thought. Just read alleged victim got mad because he hasn't been paying her living

expenses.

Avenatti needs a big case to get him out of this financial and personal bind. He'd probably have to pay experienced attorneys to handle that big case. Getting publicity by running for Prez may be his only option.

[jberryhill]

30. Well, that's why he started a PAC

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The quarterly report for the PAC is kind of amusing.

It raised $11,000, spent $4500 on advertising, and the rest are Lyft charges. Really weird.

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00685966/1271629/

Oh, and contributions to candidates? ZERO!

So, yeah, add the "Do-nothing PAC" to your twelve days of Christmas list. Maybe at position 12 for "12 thousand PAC bucks".

[LanternWaste]

38. I dig how you're almost invested in seeing him minimized as you are

I dig how you're almost invested in seeing him minimized as you are telling people they have no idea what they're talking about.

It's worthy of applaud in its form if not in its maturation of ideas or discourse.





(space provided below free of charge for additional irrelevancy for your convenience, and for a partridge in your little pear tree)

[Kingofalldems]

39. I see it too.

[jberryhill]

49. I see a flim flam artist who has found himself a mother lode of marks

[jberryhill]

40. It's fan day!

If you start a thread just about me, then you can put all your personal commentary on me in one convenient place!

[GulfCoast66]

22. Why does anyone on DU care about this guy?

I’ve had it and am going to post replies like this on every Avenatti thread.

He represented a porn start that the president fucked. And he Twitter battles with the White House. Why should any serious person in the Democratic Party care about this guy.

It boggles the mind that some see him as Presidential.

It’s like some of our members have bought into the reality TV aspect of this.

Giving oxygen to guys like this harms our cause while serious public servants like Nancy Pelosi and Adan Schiff try to right our ship of state.

Makes me go huuummmm.

[Oneironaut]

28. Avenatti is basically Trump. It's comical to see a carbon copy of Trump trolling the real Trump.

Avenatti is a trainwreck of a man who loves grandstanding and carnival barking for media attention. I tend to think and hope most people in the Democratic Party don't think he should hold any form of a leadership position.

For some reason, our media absolutely loves people like this. As a result, they tend to get a following. It's fairly annoying.

[MineralMan]

42. There are some DUers who are all in on Avenatti running for President.

That weird idea pops up for many people who suddenly make a name for themselves somehow with a political connection.

Silliness.