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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,966 posts)
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 04:12 PM Nov 2018

Kelly and Nielsen opposed border order in fiery West Wing debate

President Donald Trump this week presided over an explosive meeting on a new Cabinet order granting the troops deployed at the southern border the right to use lethal force to defend border patrol agents.

Several White House aides and external advisers who have supported the president’s hawkish immigration agenda attended the Monday meeting, which devolved into a melee pitting two of Trump’s embattled aides, White House chief of staff John Kelly and Department of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, against other attendees, according to three people briefed on the exchange.

Kelly and Nielsen argued against signing the declaration, which granted the military broad authority at the border, telling the president that the move was beyond his constitutional powers. They were vocally opposed by, among others, senior policy adviser Stephen Miller; Chris Crane, president of the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council; and Brandon Judd, president of the border patrol union. Also present was Vice President Mike Pence, who did not take a stand on the issue, according to one of the people briefed on the debate.

The bitter dispute ended Tuesday evening when Kelly, on Trump’s orders, signed a Cabinet declaration granting the military the disputed authority. The move ran afoul of the guidance offered by the White House counsel, Emmet Flood, who cautioned that it was likely to run into constitutional roadblocks, according to a second source familiar with the conversations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kelly-and-nielsen-opposed-border-order-in-fiery-west-wing-debate/ar-BBPZ46V?li=BBnb7Kz

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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
5. Bone-spurs guy really likes shooting at people
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 06:30 PM
Nov 2018

They are so brave when its not them holding the line. Anyone can give orders, it doesn't take courage to do that because its not you or any of your kids in the mess...such cowards these assholes! I understand Kelly is a military person, but he is a coward too.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
6. So he's firing them...and ultimately backtracking and doing what they advised.
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 06:32 PM
Nov 2018

Typical Imbecillic Activity. What can one say?????

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
8. Kelly is a useless POS
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 06:47 PM
Nov 2018

I thought he initially didn't want the job of Chief of Staff. Now it appears he'll do anything to keep it. Even break the law.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
10. i wonder if this means Kelly and nielsen are one their way out so they are leaking things to make
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 10:40 PM
Nov 2018

them appear better than they are.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
11. Pence is milquetoast.
Thu Nov 22, 2018, 10:51 PM
Nov 2018

At least, when anyone makes what he knows is a valid argument to IQ45, he backs down and takes no side. POS.

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