The Mueller Report

[SHRED]

I predict it will be so damaging that even Repubs in the Senate will have no choice but to go along with impeachment removal from office for 45.

I also predict that Pence will also be so compromised that he won't be able to assume the role of President.

President Pelosi anyone?

[Ohiogal]

1. A dream come true!

[TEB]

13. That would make Fox News meltdown

[machoneman]

27. 2X to that dream! Go Mueller!!!!

[Funtatlaguy]

2. That happens and there will be riots in the corn 🌽 fields

And cattle ranches across the nation.

[machoneman]

28. Ha! But who will know? If a bear....

shits in the woods, who know?

Good one!

[PJMcK]

52. Off-topic but funny

We have a mountain house in the Catskills and when I mow the "lawn" I often see deer droppings. Once in awhile, I'll see a rather larger specimen that obviously came from the bears that live up the hill. It disproves the adage that bears shit in the woods. They actually shit on my front lawn!

[arithia]

3. wouldnt be surprised

also wouldn't be surprised if that's part of the reason there is such pushback against Pelosi. Some grabby shitbags smell their chance at power they wouldn't stand a chance in Hell at otherwise.

[MLAA]

4. Might explain some of recent repug Pelosi hate 🤔

[vlyons]

5. Pence will be able to get sworn in, unless

he is also impeached -- probably in a separate trial. Both of them impeached would be a very long shot. However, a Prez Pence would be extremely weak - basically nothing but a space holder. Not able to get nominated, but the another reason for Republican "let's rebuild the GOP from the ground up." Rebuilding the GOP will be a decades-long effort. Personally, I don't think that it can be done. Way too much bad stinky baggage for the "New Republican Party" to emerge. But who knows? I could be wrong.

[machoneman]

31. Guess who is in line to be prez in the Dotard AND Pence get indicted?

Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, for the WIN! Game-set-match!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

[kentuck]

6. Or they would pull a "Gerald Ford-type" to stand in until the next election?

As they did after Watergate.

[louis-t]

34. Uh, Gerald Ford was picked to replace Agnew when he resigned in '73.

He then replaced Nixon after he resigned the following year. Only president to serve as president and vice-president without being elected.

[kentuck]

37. Where did Nelson Rockefeller fit in there?

[Persondem]

38. IIRC Ford appointed Rockefeller to be VP. Not sure though. nt.

[kentuck]

47. Yes, Ford picked Rockefeller as his VP after Nixon resigned...

Ford was chosen to be Nixon's VP after Agnew resigned, as some have stated. That was a lot of change to go through!

[gopiscrap]

55. yes that is what happened

[libdem4life]

7. I have also heard/read...

that hundreds of people are going down as the rats desert. Everyone, to save their own skin, will "rat out" all they know. Anyone left at least knows something...which can make them an accomplice. Or if interviewed formerly, perjury. Especially when they early on begin to suspect that Mueller already knows the answer, or has had other similar versions. Tends to inspire the truth and flipping appropriately. Or short sentences vs. long sentences.

And Pence...referred for VP by Manafort...sayonara, Baby.

[kentuck]

12. Well-written

How much more can you tell us about Roger Stone?

[davsand]

17. Post was removed? Can you give a quick summary of it?

One of the things I dislike most here is this exact situation. I understand removing a post for violation of terms of service, but I really wish they would say why it was removed. "It was insulting/personal attack." or "It was factually inaccurate." for example, would be nice.

I trust you to give the two cent summary, kentuck!



Laura

[kentuck]

36. He was making reference somehow to his connection to Roger Stone?

That was the most I could get from it.

[marble falls]

40. He was redirecting to his own websire, promoting his own cmmercial venture. Spamming.

[Maeve]

9. From your mouse....to God's inbox eom

[Garrett78]

10. I think the most likely scenario is that Trump-Pence loses in 2020.

The 2nd most likely scenario is Trump is forced to resign and Pence (with a new VP) becomes POTUS until getting his ass kicked in 2020.

I'll be pleasantly shocked if both Trump and Pence are forced out of office before 2020.

[byronius]

11. I agree with your analysis. What's already public knowledge is so utterly damning.

[onetexan]

14. President Pelosi - has a damm nice ring to it

Now that would be something wouldn't it - the RW's worst nightmare, a liberal woman with a spine as tough as steel

[global1]

25. Pres. Pelosi Picks Hillary As VP Then....

resigns and we get Pres. Hillary.

[Baltimike]

15. I disagree. Moscow Mitch will HAVE to avoid it at all costs. Treason is punishable by death

and their very lives are on the line...

[librechik]

16. Republicans will find it possible to pretend it doesn't matter. You'll see.

They are thoroughly invested in the Trump.

[Hoyt]

18. Apparently Mueller hasn't found anything that damaging yet.

Would be nice, but if Mueller had that kind of evidence, it’s past time to release it. I doubt he’s holding out to allow Pelosi to assume speakership.

[dameatball]

20. Not sure about your first sentence, but I do agree with the second.

[Poiuyt]

44. We don't know that Mueller hasn't found anything damaging yet

He may be just lining up all the ducks before releasing the report. That's my guess as to what's happening.

[Hoyt]

45. Possibly, and he might be pulling a Fitzgerald too. But, if he has damaging evidence,

it’s time to go after trump just like he’s an armed murderer or any other terrorist. If he hasn’t found such evidence yet, not likely he will with another 6 months, year, two years, . . . .

[madville]

19. My pessimistic prediction

I expect the Mueller investigation to conclude and there to not be an obstruction charge. I'm still of the opinion that Mueller was never seriously investigating obstruction because Rosenstein never recused himself, he would have been heavily involved in any obstruction case since he wrote the recommendation to fire Comey.

Trump and Pence will not be removed before 2020, they could be impeached by the House but will never be removed by the Senate. They will most likely lose the 2020 election and then that's where I think things get crazy.

Between losing the election and the January inauguration Trump will pardon everyone convicted and also issue blanket pardons to everyone in his administration. He will then resign his last week in office and Pence (now president) will pardon Trump for everything under the sun. Sure a state may try to bring a case against him for something but he's pretty much untouchable at the federal level.

[Grasswire2]

21. Hell, a real pessimist would predict..

...that Trump will go full Mussolini before January.

That's sorta what Chris Hedges fears. This is the most dangerous time for democracy, before Dems assume power.

Trump is attacking every entity that can check him.

[Honeycombe8]

23. I agree with some of your predictions, but not the pardons. He will not pardon those who flipped.

He holds grudges. No way he will pardon anyone who even MAY have said anything that caused him any grief.

[BamaRefugee]

29. Thinking along the same lines. Since when has a rock-ribbed lifelong Republican done anything to

help out Progressives? Since when is the DOJ and the FBI great buddies with us????


I can't help being a bit jaded, I came up in the 60s, getting my head bashed by cops in protests, and learning very well that conservatives help conservatives, PERIOD.

YES, pleased and proud of the indictments and convictions so far, but these are more like Mob cases.

[politicaljunkie41910]

39. Why would Pence pardon Trump for "everything under the sun" with only a week remaining in office?

Pence would then have no job since your premise is based on their losing the 2020 election, and he will have pardoned Trump whom at that point, the whole world would all know the full extent of Trump's "high crimes and misdemeanors". Pence would still be a fairly young man with a family to support, and no hope for regaining his 'good name' or his 'reputation'. Therefore, I disagree with your 'pessimistic prediction'.

The two men don't seem to spend a lot of time together, and don't seem to have a lot in common. I think Pence would throw Trump under the bus in a heartbeat because his wife and kids would insist upon it. They won't want him to go down with the Trump's sinking ship and tarnish their family's 'good name' for all prosperity.

Besides, Pence is still a rather young man and presumably an ambitious one. His having been tarnished with the Trump family brush; should Mueller bring an indictment which definitively concludes that there was criminal conduct against Trump, he may not get another job too soon and I can't imagine him wanting his time spent as Trump's VP to be his last harrah. I think he knows his best hope would be to distance himself from anything Trump, as fast as he can.

[California_Republic]

22. Unlikely those events happen together.

New VP would be in place

[Honeycombe8]

24. If only. But that won't happen.

I am slightly more optimistic about the Mueller Report, but not gung ho that it will be what we think the truth is...that Trump conspired with Russia to interfere in our election, and that Trump obstructed justice on more than one occasion.

It's hard to pin the tail on the head donkey. The head is usually protected from being actually involved in actions. Still, this isn't the smartest group of corrupt politicians, so it's possible.

Pelosi won't be President. I haven't heard a name for a possible candidate yet that screams strongly positive...maybe Beto, but we don't know enough about him yet.

[TygrBright]

26. From your keyboard to the Divine Monitor! n/t

[Rizen]

30. Republicans are a cult; they won't turn on Trump

He's going to serve out his first term, then we vote those bastards out.

[duforsure]

32. I agree

But they have to quit acting divided or the Democrats will regret it moving forward. Vote her as the new majority leader or the party will suffer from it.

[Jim__]

33. As of right now, "AG" Whitaker will decide who see's Mueller's report.

As long as that remains the case, Whitaker and Trump are likely the only people (outside of Mueller's team) who will ever see any report.

[Achilleaze]

42. Actually, the KGOP White House decides who sees it, I do believe

As I understand it, the Special Prosecutor and AG hand over the report to the White House. They read it, and then they - Dirty Donny* in particular - decides who sees what. They can release fragments, or none at all if they choose (though that would provoke many a sternly worded letter to be sure).

* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

[Jim__]

48. Here's what abc news has to say.

From abc news:

Under the current special counsel regulation, Mueller is required to provide the attorney general with a “confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel,” but it will be up to the attorney general — or, at the moment, his deputy — whether to release that report to the public.

[Achilleaze]

49. Ahh, so it's up to a KGOP republican stooge named by Dirty Donny* himself

to protect himself. Sad.

* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

[First Speaker]

35. Pelosi would have to appoint a caretaker GOP Veep, and turn the job over to him...

...I don't think she or the Dems could withstand the pressure otherwise. They'd be accused of "stealing the Presidency", and the country would tear itself to pieces. The Repubs would be on night and day openly accusing her of illegitimacy. I'm not saying I'd agree with this assessment; just that the pull of circumstances would make it inevitable she'd have to name someone like, say, Condi Rice, or John Kasich, to "heal the country". Maybe with an understanding that both parties would have to agree on Court picks. I doubt this scenario--Pelosi as President--will happen; but who could have predicted the Ford administration in 1971...?

[oberliner]

41. How confident are you in that prediction?

[brooklynite]

43. Is that prediction based on any actual evidence?

[allgood33]

46. I believe that "blocked" phone call during the Trump Tower meeting is the smoking gun that snags 45.

I believe it was 45 himself calling and that Mueller has not only identified his number but the actual conversation that took place. Mueller has had the info all along but won't use it until he has snagged ALL the others involved in the conspiracy agains the US. I believe Mueller has all he needs against Trump but will take down the entire GOP-Russia cabal and that includes all the House and Senate culprits who have been compromised with Russian money and/or compromising intel.

[CentralMass]

50. That would be the ideal scenario.

[MLAA]

51. Works for me!

[unblock]

53. No, no, no, it really can't ever happen

Well if they both die at the same thing me, sure.

But if it involves removal, it needs republican cooperation.
The mueller report and maybe scandals beyond even that might mean the have to remove both (still not holding my breath, but possibly), but they will *never* be removed *at the same time*, which is what pelosi would need to become president.

A new republican veep would be nominated and confirmed in between the two removals. It would only take an hour.

*zero* chance republicans would remove both in a way that hands the White House over to democrats.

[AJT]

54. If 45 and pence both resign before January, Ryan would be president.