So, should we ditch the "Problem Solvers" and accept SHITLER's votes for Nancy?

[UTUSN]

What's the difference between being held hostage by DINOs and votes by outright Repukes?!1

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Charles P. Pierce @CharlesPPierce 2h

I would respect the Problem Solvers Caucus if it ever had, y'know, solved a single problem.

Joan Walsh Retweeted
Dean Steitz @theminorchords 20h

You can primary half the conservative Dems challenging Pelosi, including Jim Cooper, Jim Costa, Bill Foster, Vicente Gonzalez, Dan Lipinski, Stephen Lynch, Seth Moulton, Ed Perlmutter, Kathleen Rice, Tim Ryan, Linda Sanchez, Darren Soto, and Filemon Vela. The districts are blue.

Joan Walsh Retweeted
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @Ocasio2018 21h

9 Dems are choosing to hold the entire 220+ caucus hostage if we don’t accept their GOP-friendly rules that will hamstring healthcare efforts from the get-go. People sent us here to get things done, not “negotiate” with an admin that jails children and guts people’s healthcare.

POLITICO @politico

Democratic members of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus are warning Nancy Pelosi she won't win their votes for speaker if she doesn’t back their proposals
(link: https://politi.co/2R3WrYN) politi.co/2R3WrYN

https://nypost.com/2018/11/23/more-house-democrats-are-threatening-to-bail-on-pelosi/

More House Democrats are threatening to bail on Pelosi

.... The signers, including Reps. Tom Suozzi of Long Island and Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, want Pelosi to agree to proposals that will make it easier for bipartisan legislation and amendments to get a vote.

An aide to Pelosi said discussions with the group is continuing. The Democratic caucus is slated to vote on Pelosi’s nomination on Wednesday, while a floor vote is set for early January. ....

But Gottheimer said the changes aren’t pro-GOP, but pro-governing.

“The country wants us to work together again. They don’t want us to obstruct for the sake of it. They want us to try to find common ground,” Gottheimer told The Post Friday. “We still have to deal with the reality that we need to reach ideas together that will pass the Senate and the White House. We don’t control every branch of government here.” ....

Other signers are Reps. Tom O’Halleran of Arizona, Jim Costa of California, Vicente Gonzalez of Texas, Daniel Lipinksi of Illinois, Kurt Schrader of Oregon and Florida Reps. Stephanie Murphy and Darren Soto.

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[DURHAM D]

1. They are apparently funded by GOP dark money.

Don't have a source.

Anyone have a good source?

ETA: Joe Lieberman is National Chairman.

[MattP]

3. I remember the GOP side all bowing down for the tax bill

[potone]

4. If Joe Lieberman...

the man who killed the single-payer option, is involved, this is not a group of people that anyone should cater to.

[UTUSN]

10. Here's the excellent DU thread with the article from TruthDig:

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211453614#post17

Who's Really Leading the Democratic Rebellion Against Pelosi? Hint, its not the left. read on...

"It’s impossible to understand the Democratic rebellion against Nancy Pelosi without understanding the way power works in the House of Representatives. To understand the self-serving men behind this rebellion, heed the words of the late screenwriter William Goldman: Follow the money.

There is discontent with Pelosi’s ideology on the left, and that’s understandable. But ideology is not driving this campaign, and this is no populist rebellion. In fact, its leaders have no discernible ideology at all.

That’s how corporate money rolls in the Democratic Party. It lays low, hides its true colors, and pretends it only wants to “get things done.”

The anti-Pelosi insurgency is not a movement. It’s a cabal, ..."

From the following article:


https://www.truthdig.com/articles/whos-really-leading-the-democratic-rebellion-against-pelosi/

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[Squinch]

2. But 9 are not enough to make a difference. I continue to not understand the issue here.

If it's 9, they're just spitting into the wind and lighting their own asses on fire.

9 is not enough to "hold the entire 220+ caucus hostage."

This is Rupert Murdoch - owner of the NY Post - trying to stir shit among Democrats.

[UTUSN]

5. + Pierce. + AOC. + WALSH. + Politico. + multiple reports. + the previous 16 DINO turkeys.

[Renew Deal]

11. There is overlap in the two groups

Ryan, Rice, and some others.

[Demsrule86]

12. Nancy has the votes and no one else stepped forward...some will vote present...this

non-issue is over. And it was about moving right not left.

[UTUSN]

14. "non-issue" and "right not left" - It would help more to know your count of the votes proving it

rather than a blanket dismissal of the "issue". And who said it was about blaming the Left? The quotes in the o.p. and Post #10 were all about identifying the DINOs. I gladly accept corrections of fact while asserting the right to post opinions, and aim all gibes at wingnuts not fellow DUers.

[Demsrule86]

16. I wasn't correcting you merely stating my objection to having a rightward move of the speaker...and

a speaker from a red of purple state is a very bad idea...I will say it again...by my count there are less than 10 and it looks like we took 40 seats so she should be OK...and you can't vote against her without another candidate or you risk putting McCarthy in which I do not believe will happen...I tried but no one else came forward...blah blah...vote present and done.

[Squinch]

25. I'm not her biggest fan, but AOC has been clear from the get go that she's voting for Nancy.

And the 16 never put up a name of someone they would prefer other than Fudge. But Fudge and many others of them have now committed to Nancy. The remainder are the same as the 9...

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. What is the total now, 234-200 - one undecided?

Yes that is not enough. I will be honest and if I was wrong will say so, I thought this kind of bullshit was going to come from the other side of our party.

If that does NOT happen, I will be glad and happily admit I was wrong.

[Me.]

32. Don't Forget The Gang Of 15

though there are crossovers like Schraeder, so the number is rather obscure at this time

[Garrett78]

6. "They don't want us to obstruct for the sake of it." Shut the fuck up, Gottheimer.

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

[denbot]

9. Primary every fucker in a blue district

And figure a way to punish the rest.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. I have a couple of quick questions.

1. Of those who say they won't vote for Pelosi, how many are freshmen?
2. Have they put forth any names of those they would vote for?

[JCanete]

15. oh my, advocating primary challenges to sitting dems? The scandal....

oh right, it depends on who's advocating for it and in support of whom...rather than for what policies.

[UTUSN]

17. I can only speak for myself so, could you let *me* (as opposed to "us") in on who and whom are? Tnks

[UTUSN]

22. Welcome aboard. I had to look up "IDC" - and yep, sounds like the same type crowd.

from Wiki: "The Independent Democratic Conference (IDC) was a group of Democratic members of the New York State Senate that caucused separately from other Democratic members of the State Senate. At the time of its dissolution in April 2018, the IDC included eight members: Leader Jeffrey D. Klein and Senators Marisol Alcantara, Tony Avella, David Carlucci, Jesse Hamilton, Jose Peralta, Diane Savino, and David Valesky. "Independent Democrat" is not a recognized political party in New York State; members of the conference have appeared on the ballot as Democrats. Formed in 2011, the IDC allied itself with Senate Republicans throughout its existence. During the 2013-2014 legislative session, the IDC and the Senate Republican Conference controlled the Senate jointly, as the Senate Republicans did not have sufficient numbers to form a governing majority on their own.

"On April 4, 2018, the IDC announced that it would dissolve, that its members would rejoin the Senate Democratic Conference, and that Klein would become the Deputy Democratic Conference Leader.[1] On April 16, the IDC was dissolved.[2] In the subsequent September 13, 2018 Democratic primaries, six of the eight former IDC members were defeated; only Carlucci and Savino won their respective primary contests.[3][4]"

[workinclasszero]

19. Is this another move from the conservadem right?

Because it sounds like it. What ‘problem’ are these people trying to solve?

A progressive democratic House?

[UTUSN]

21. It certainly seems that these DINOs regard, really, *all* Dems as their problem, esp. Progressives.

[workinclasszero]

20. Who here voted to find common ground with the Trump cult?

I sure as hell didn’t!

[pecosbob]

23. More bullshit from undercover Reaganistas

financed by the wealthy trying to force the party platform to the right...happens every new Congress.

[Iggo]

24. Accept Republican support and start attacking Democrats?

Not a fucking chance, bud.

[UTUSN]

30. "start attacking Democrats" - are you attributing this to me & am I the "bud" you're addressing?

Not to mention the loose f-bomb.

[pwb]

26. More so called democratic division from republican players?

Politico and The Hill can't help themselves. Please Ignore these two and try not to kick up any posts with them as sources.

[gtar100]

27. What the heck is Ed Perlmutter's name doing there.

I had thought he was better than this. Damn.

[TheBlackAdder]

28. Let Trump put his money where his mouth is. I bet almost none of the Republicans vote for her.

.


I posted this last week:



The other day, President Trump offered an olive branch, by stating support for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker.

Instead of the Speakership coming down to Ds versus Rs, it would be nice to see 100% House support.


Tonight, Ali Velshi reported that Nancy Pelosi faced more negative advertisement than Pres. Trump did--
with no advertisement defending her. This indicates the Republicans actually fear her--conflicting Trump.



Straight from Soviet State Television, as proof of this promise (It is Russian media, after all):

https://media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2018/11/17/694940094001_5968358694001_5968358074001.mp4

President Donald Trump said Saturday morning that some Democrats are "harassing" Rep. Nancy Pelosi over her bid to once again be elected House Speaker.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) has seen a growing number of Democrats oppose her bid for the speakership, with at least 17 House Democrats, including incumbents and incoming members, signing on to a document saying they will not support her.

Speaking to reporters before heading to California to survey the wildfire damage in parts of the state, Trump said that he'd "help" Pelosi "if she needed some votes."

"I will perform a wonderful service for her," he said. "I like her. Can you believe it? I like Nancy Pelosi."


I can get Nancy Pelosi as many votes as she wants in order for her to be Speaker of the House. She deserves this victory, she has earned it - but there are those in her party who are trying to take it away. She will win! @TomReedCongress

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 17, 2018


In all fairness, Nancy Pelosi deserves to be chosen Speaker of the House by the Democrats. If they give her a hard time, perhaps we will add some Republican votes. She has earned this great honor!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2018

Click on the following link, at your own peril: http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/64089


President Trump, your offer is very nice, and should not be proffered under a request from Nancy Pelosi, but support should be thrown to her without any solicitation on her part. Send word to have House Republicans go on record supporting her.

.

[Me.]

31. KR