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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt kills me to write this but I won't vote for Hillary Clinton in 2020
in our primaries. I voted for her in 2008, and again enthusiastically in 2016. But given the fact that the press hates all things Clinton and shows no sign at all of changing that behavior, I can't vote for her in 2020. Ever since Bill Clinton came on the scene the press has had one set of rules when covering Clinton and a different set for the rest of Democrats, and a highly generous different set for pretty much every Republican. I think part of Clinton's negative coverage in both 2008 and 2016 was rank sexism and would have affected coverage of any female candidate but there was a non trivial aspect of Clinton rules that came into play.
To take one example. The NYT editorial page ran an excerpt of a book, called Clinton Cash by an author who wrote one other book, an anti Clinton screed that was rife with lies. They ran this excerpt with no editing of their own and shock of shocks it was rife with lies. It is literally unimaginable that any paper would have done this to any other politician. The NYT, and no other paper, would publish any part of David Kay Johnson's book on Trump for example despite his history as a tax reporter.
It is vitally important we win in 2020 and Clinton can't win as the press won't let her. We still hear, even now, about the Clinton Foundation as if it were some nefarious plot from the same sources that have refused to investigate the Trump Foundation until after he won the White House. I think sexism, while still a huge problem, will not infect the coverage as much as it did with her. Many of the worst offenders have been cashiered from their jobs and replaced in many cases by women. The rest won't want to look bad in the era of metoo. But the Clinton rules are like a cockroach. It will survive nuclear war. I literally believe Trump could start nuclear war tomorrow and a huge part of the press would start talking about Clinton selling uranium to the Russians. It honestly is that bad.
It is a true shame. A qualified women, who wasn't nice enough, and married a man named Clinton was destroyed by a spiteful, sexist, hateful, press corps and they would do it again in a minute. And no, I am not talking about the Coulters of this world. I am talking about the Times, the Post, MSNBC, CNN, and pretty much all of the press. There was literally no road too low for them to take if it was in service of attacking a Clinton.
onenote
(42,761 posts)She's not going to be running. You can take that to the bank.
dsc
(52,166 posts)but it still sucks that the press gets to act this way with no punishment at all.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)as an OP no less, maybe assume it may be resurrected whenever masochistic tendencies rise again.
When my less than admirable feelings rise, instead of trying to bury her I want to run HRC and vote for her again just to make others eat it.
Btw, I'm only 95% sure she won't run again. She'd also make one hell of an involved VP. We have a whole lot of unfinished and unstarted business to do.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)Trueblue Texan
(2,440 posts)...but I don't care if the Democratic candidate is Mickey Mouse, I'll vote for them. Yes, it is THAT bad.
dsc
(52,166 posts)but in the primaries different story.
In It to Win It
(8,283 posts)Were the base. Well vote for 2020 Democratic nominee Mickey Mouse. Were the blue, no matter who people. Anyone else will literally sit out the election because theyre not excited about either candidate at a time where we desperately need them to turn out.
However, our nominee will need to have come crossover appeal. Some people will have to fall in love with the candidate or feel enthused by the candidate in order to vote for them... sadly.
I also think some of us will have to suspend the conventional thinking until Trump is defeated. I would run Tom Hanks or Oprah or Mufasa if it means we ultimately win. Im exaggerating but it literally cant get any worse. We cant be drowned by our own conventional rules and conventional boxes we create for ourselves.
GoCubsGo
(32,093 posts)She said she is not running. Jeezus.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)which makes this a discussion about what?
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #8)
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MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Ive been here since 2006.
And even if I joined yesterday, I would still speak my mind. This OP is navel gazing.
Fix The Stupid
(948 posts)Polly Hennessey
(6,804 posts)Ive been here since 2003. Leave Hillary alone. She is not running. I will, however, vote for our nominee. No matter the person. I am the Blue Base. By the way, MrsCoffee, I am going to enjoy some now as the sun rises.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Long time DU tradition lol. That one is a classic.
FSogol
(45,526 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Right now, I dont care if it actually will be the yellow dog of lore. Given the situation, its VOTE DEMOCRATIC or a face a painful descent into a complete right-wing oligarchy. (Were halfway there already.)
leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)We have to put aside differences and run someone that will win.
In It to Win It
(8,283 posts)Either way, it needs to be someone else. She had her bite at the apple. I think she would have been a great President.
Too many people believed the GOP hype. Thats the only thing theyre competent in is creating a villain and stoking fear. They did a great job creating a Hillary Clinton villian... and it worked.
dsc
(52,166 posts)it was the press as a whole.
In It to Win It
(8,283 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I was one of her most stalwart supporters on this board but I believe it will be best if she chooses not to run. Hillary Clinton would have made a fine president though. America's loss.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)Multiple volumes of history will be composed, covering the volatile period between today and the 2020 election. Your take on Hillary Clinton---complete with all the CYA boo-hoo regrets---is wildly premature, just the sort of divisive crap we can do without. Spare us, OK? It's way too early for the circular firing squads, even for DU.
Thekaspervote
(32,793 posts)jcgoldie
(11,646 posts)EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)Tired of this nonsense.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)where I walked away when Sanders who I liked lost.
I came back but missed several weeks licking my wounds.
i'm not a gigantic Hillary fan. Never was. Never will be. But if she is who Democrats pick, she will get my support. Period. Because anything else I might do helps the Republicans. Quite frankly, that's how Trump got elected in the first place - the anti-Hillary vote in the Rust Belt tipped the electoral college.
tblue37
(65,488 posts)wouldn't vote for her in the GE if she were nominated.
Raven
(13,900 posts)I will never not vote or vote for the other side or vote for some 3rd party candidate who has no chance of winning.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)if she ran and won the nomination, I'd vote for her over Trump or any other Republican.
tblue37
(65,488 posts)By Jonathan Allen
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The Clinton rules are driven by reporters' and editors' desire to score the ultimate prize in contemporary journalism: the scoop that brings down Hillary Clinton and her family's political empire. At least in that way, Republicans and the media have a common interest.
. . . I wanted to sell books, of course. But the easier way to do that proven over time is to write as though the Clintons are the purest form of evil. The same holds for daily reporting. Want to drive traffic to a website? Write something nasty about a Clinton, particularly Hillary. As a reporter, I get sucked into playing by the Clinton rules. This is what I've seen in my colleagues, and in myself.
1) Everything, no matter how ludicrous-sounding, is worthy of a full investigation by federal agencies, Congress, the "vast right-wing conspiracy," and mainstream media outlets.
Snip
3) The media assumes that Clinton is acting in bad faith until there's hard evidence otherwise.
Snip
There are 3 other such "rules," plus detailed explanations of how each player out in the way Hillary was abused by the media. Everyone should read the whole thing.
https://www.vox.com/2015/7/6/8900143/hillary-clinton-reporting-rules
tblue37
(65,488 posts)own post:
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)I understand. Im not voting for ANY white male in the primaries. I want someone of color, or a woman.