General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary Clinton: Trump is 'part of the coverup' in Khashoggi killing
Hillary Clinton on Tuesday suggested that President Trump is part of the coverup as to what happened in the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.
Clinton, Trumps 2016 presidential campaign rival, kicked off a paid speaking tour in Toronto by hitting the president over his response to the killing of Khashoggi in a Saudi Arabian consulate last month, saying that Trump and those closest to him have their own personal interests.
We have a president who is part of the coverup as to what happened in that consulate or embassy when Mr. Khashoggi was murdered, Clinton said.
And we have a president and those closest to him who have their own personal commercial interests, she added.
the rest:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/418612-clinton-trump-is-part-of-the-coverup-as-to-what-happened-in-khashoggi
raging moderate
(4,308 posts)As the Trumpsters like to say.
marble falls
(57,182 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...SPOT ON! The criminal enterprise also known as the tRump* Presidency is part and parcel of not only the coverup of the Khashoggi murder but, IMHO, through Jar-Jar*, provided intelligence to the Saudis about Khashoggi's movements and actions while in the US, making the tRump* crime family ACCESSORIES to the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,789 posts)He will DEMAND that the AG go after her.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I always thought her best move was to provoke him.
Also what she is saying is telling the truth. Sending our foreign "diplomats" to Saudi Arabia to help craft a story.
malaise
(269,157 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Read over Clinton's statements. They're true. You know they're true. Why can't you say this, too?
raging moderate
(4,308 posts)They mark her as one of those pointy head elite lib'ruls. The people who need to learn these things have short attention spans.
LuvLoogie
(7,027 posts)Not enough of us had her back. But she still has ours.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Why does everything always have to be framed as her problem or her fault?
raging moderate
(4,308 posts)They are ALL PERFECT in every way! Everybody else should TRY HARD to be like them and win their love! Didn't you know?
dlk
(11,575 posts)Seriously? How is dumbing down the conversation a benefit? Playing to the willfully ignorant is a loser.
Basement Beat
(659 posts)Pretty much!
elias7
(4,026 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)raging moderate
(4,308 posts)I am afraid I am a bit of a Luddite, being almost 71 years old and all. I am really more of a twentieth-century person.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Gratuitous, also the conclusions/suspicions of many genuine experts, of whom Hillary is merely one of the latest, that Trump is covering up. At extreme length in every type of news media. After all, how do WE know about it?
Btw, almost all news and other information is available only in print form, and the boob tube is mostly geared to news as entertainment, not fulfilling its constitutionally protected press role. But by far most of the best subscription-only journals allow nonsubscribers to access several free articles each month, making it easy to browse and see what's being reported.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But so much of it has been couched in the most anodyne, "both sides" language with plenty of wiggle room for the True Believers to run back to the safety and security of the latest rage tweets from Needy Amin or the soothing lies of Fox News.
A non-Trump example just played out with the picture of those students giving the nazi salute and flashing the white power hand sign. In spite of the uncontradicted statement by one of the students from the photo (who wasn't saluting) that it was indeed a nazi/white power thing, all the coverage I saw couched the salute in the language of "appears to be" or "apparently." This gave just enough space for the school district to say that there would be no further discipline or investigation of those nice young men (lest they be embarrassed by being made to answer for their actions, apparently). The same dynamic plays out again and again while the atrocities, embarrassments, lies, and the rest keep piling up and piling up. The media hardly treat one scandal with kid gloves before another one is perpetrated and the previous one is lost.
Jamal Khashoggi's disappearance wasn't even two months ago, and the media have lost a lot of their interest in the "apparent" murder of a fellow journalist. Both President Trump and National Security Adviser Bolton have acknowledged the existence of an audio recording of the torture and murder of Khashoggi, but deny having heard it or having any desire to hear it. The media have faithfully reported those despicable statements but haven't called the administration out for its feckless handling (or more appropriately, non-handling) of the Khashoggi affair. Trump has been able to skate away from any responsibility first by saying that it's no concern of the United States because Washington Post reporter Khashoggi wasn't a U.S. citizen, and then that the U.S.'s financial relationship with Saudi Arabia was more important than a man's torture and murder.
For all their reporting, the media have done a piss poor job of providing context and depth to the depravity of the Trump administration, and have utterly failed to follow through on holding the administration accountable by using their constitutionally privileged position to provide the American people with that information.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)job than you are saying, when they're not subverting our elections, but that's a different sort of malfeasance. They report, but they cannot make people turn off MSNBC or Big Bang Theory reruns to read what they report. I know I don't read even a small fraction of the new information available. There's just too much. Every good, meaty article has links to others.
It sounds as if you want the media to declare guilt definitively, trumpet it from the media rooftops. But without real proof or at least a trial verdict, they don't do that. Not on anything that goes through the editorial process anyway. If you want emphatic declamations of his guilt, check out the opinion and op ed pages. There are always some to be found there.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)You nailed it, "almost all news and other information is available only in print form, and the boob tube is mostly geared to news as entertainment".
I turned on a tv this morning to get a weather report and passed through a CBS station on the way. They were reporting on Mueller and Manafort, so I lingered. Summary of their report: Mueller says Manafort lied. Manafort's lawyers legally talked to Trump's lawyers. Manafort may be anticipating a pardon. When we come back, [puppies or weird gossip or strange heart-tug story, etc.]
Not much missing in that, is there? Build tension while leaving out most of the story, cut to commercials, tease and repeat. I moved on to the NOAA weather map, then turned the tv off.
BootinUp
(47,185 posts)dalton99a
(81,570 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)I want to know when our intelligence told Trump about the danger to Kashoggi. I want to know if Trump told our CIA not to warn him because the CIA is bound by law to tell someone when they are in danger.
What did Trump know and when did he know it? Why is everyone letting that issue go? Everyone quit talking about this. Hey Schiff, come January how about bringing in the CIA and asking some questions?
ScratchCat
(2,002 posts)If THIS is what leads to his exit? If it turns out the CIA was aware of anything about this prior to it happening, and especially if the Trump Admin already had some agreement that they would turn a blind eye ... there's no defending it. The House is going to subpoena the CIA and if they say, "Yep, we told them and they said don't tell him", he's gone. Over. No pardons.
bluestarone
(17,028 posts)Getting under RUMPS skin with the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The truth hurts!!!!
marieo1
(1,402 posts)Is anyone as disillusioned by this administration as I am? It didn't matter what Hillary did or how innocent it was, the reps went after her and claimed it was malicious and wrong!! Trumps do all kinds of scary, hateful, malicious things and then tell lies and more lies and CNN just reports them as factual and soon everyone thinks the lies are the truth!!! I do not get it. Does the media ever fact check lies? They need do hire a full time fact checker!! Where did the media go that told the truth?
Trump turned Kashhoggi over to Saudi Arabia!! What did he get in return? Makes you wonder!!
Racerdog1
(808 posts)Knows he could be next. Please,let it happen.
oldlibdem
(330 posts)Lock him up! Lock him up! ....
gtar100
(4,192 posts)while on a **paid** speaking tour. That's one of the things republicans hate about Hillary, her getting paid for speaking. I wonder if The Hill ever points out when republicans get paid for speaking. Or just Democrats. Or just the Clintons. I find it creepy when right-wing ideology rears its ugly head and tries to look like an innocent fact in what should be an otherwise straightforward news report.
FakeNoose
(32,745 posts)... don't ever kid yourself about that!
The TrumpHumpers pretend they don't know it, but we should always remind them.
SunSeeker
(51,677 posts)Sadly, some progressives fell for the villification of Hillary's speaking fees.
SunSeeker
(51,677 posts)Docreed2003
(16,875 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)No more rope-a-dope. It's fantastic to see Senator Clinton punching hard.
Blue Owl
(50,491 posts)It's like Poe's "The Telltale Heart"
allgood33
(1,584 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,895 posts)Trump, August 2015: I make $40 million, $50 million from Saudi Arabia. I like them a lot.
Link to tweet
?ref_src=
triron
(22,020 posts)Is he implicated in this murder?
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)I really thought that fat fuck would be run out of office as more facts trickled out. Silly me! smfh!