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Connecticut schools ban lunchroom visits from parents
"So many parents had begun attending lunch that principals felt they were affecting the day-to-day running of the elementary schools," said Board of Ed Chairman Tara Ochman.
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DARIEN, Conn. One mother shed tears when she read the superintendent's announcement. Another said it felt like a body blow.
After struggling with growing numbers of parents in school cafeterias, the Darien school system said parents and guardians would no longer be welcome to visit with their children during lunch at the town's elementary schools.
The decision has stirred strong emotions in Darien, a wealthy shoreline community that prides itself on its high-performing public schools. While some parents said it was time to stop a disruptive practice, others have protested at town meetings and in online forums that the change has deprived them of cherished time to check in on their children and model good social behavior.
"It feels like a punch in the gut," parent Jessica Xu, whose oldest child is in first grade, said in an interview. "I chose the town for the schools. I'm so frustrated the schools don't want me there."
Elementary schools generally set their own rules for parent visits, and policies vary widely. Some allow it on children's birthdays or other special occasions. In some areas districts say it's not an issue because parents do not or cannot visit because of work or other obligations.
In a Darien, a town of Colonial-style homes behind stone fences where the median household income exceeds $200,000, so many parents had begun attending lunch that principals felt they were affecting the day-to-day running of the elementary schools, according to Tara Ochman, chairman of the Darien Board of Education. On a typical day, Xu said, six or seven parents were in the cafeteria of her child's school.
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But others who spoke up at the meeting said the midday visits allowed them to see how their children were faring and to help them resolve friction with other children. For the youngest children, they could offer helping opening milk cartons and finding items in the lunchrooms.
Terry Steadman, a parent, told the board she was shocked and driven to tears by the news.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/connecticut-schools-ban-lunchroom-visits-parents-n941216
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:11 PM - Edit history (1)
I don't think I ever saw a parent in a school lunchroom in my entire 12 years as a public school kid. Most kids then would die of embarrassment if their parents showed up to have lunch with them. Lunch period was for throwing food if you could get away with it and complaining about the mystery meat that got plopped on your tray.
underpants
(182,789 posts)but I was there to give a presentation on my job
LBM20
(1,580 posts)xmas74
(29,674 posts)at least once a year. We were required to give advance notice of at least two hours. The idea was that we could eat the same meal, see the cleanliness of the cafeteria, how recess was run, etc.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)on a given day, which means most people are doing it rarely.
It also mentions some Indian and Pakistani parents at another school who wanted to bring in warm food for their kids to eat. Since our food must look odd to them -- and many Indians are vegetarian -- it's hard for me to blame them for that.
brush
(53,776 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:05 PM - Edit history (1)
Ladies who lunch version 2.0.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)brush
(53,776 posts)MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)I went to school and had lunch with my kiddo quite often in elementary school. Its not cool to eat lunch with kids in middle school so I banned myself.
LisaM
(27,808 posts)I'd probably have ducked under the table.
But, speaking more seriously, this seems like an extremely disruptive practice. I worked in childcare for four years (infants to five-year olds). There was one dad who just loved to drop in and hang out with the kids. It really upset the routine. He insisted on coming for story time, which was after lunch and before naptime. Aside from the ridiculousness of having a 30-year old perched on the couch while I read things like "Goodnight Moon", he didn't seem to sense that we were trying to wind the kids down naturally to their nap, and would talk and wiggle, and generally get his daughter riled up instead of letting her drift into her naptime. Then she'd cry when he left, so it upset everybody.
I get that these kids are a little older, but speaking from my own experience, having parents interrupt or interfere with scheduled activities doesn't work.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)It was once a year, and a few other parents did as well. It ended when they went to the Junior High. I was not welcome then.
I would say once every couple of months is not out of line. I think it ma be a state law that we can visit the classroom at anytime once cleared through the office. It is important to have access for accountability.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)the large majority of kids walked home for lunch every day, and somehow we learned to deal with life.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)The last thing kids need is their parents resolving their issues. They got to learn sometime.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)As an elementary school teacher you would not believe 99.9% of the stories I can tell you about overprotective parents and how they try to threaten the school admin if they do not get EVERYTHING that they DEMAND ASAP. It really is unbelievable.
The reasoning for the schools giving in to their ridiculous demands is $$$$$. Parents threaten to change schools and this takes money out of that school's budget....each kid is given a certain amount of money from the state on a daily basis sometimes. Believe me, we teachers applaud when parents like that DO go to another school. This type of person often has a history of this sort of attitude towards all schools (we have the paperwork).
The good parents do not behave this way and know it is not good for the kid and they are smart enough to realize it and act like a responsible parent who sets boundaries.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)According to Zillow
They're known for excellent public schools, but it looks like some parents have too much time on their hands and this became a trendy thing for parents in town to do. I live in an upscale town in Connecticut and never heard of parents eating lunch with their kids unless it was a special occasion, and even with those special occasions, it's typically after lunch or after school not in the middle of the day.
Because it's so close to NYC, it's also been a popular town for celebrities and business execs to live as well.
LisaM
(27,808 posts)really, crying, because your behavior has been identified as disruptive and (without singling anyone out, sounds like) the school politely crafted a policy to deal with it?
OTOH, I scoff, but this could also be a psychological side effect of incidents like Sandy Hook, and I suppose that parents of kids that age (and in Connecticut) might have some stresses I can't begin to imagine.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and the only time it's really happened was at a Valentine's Day lunch for the parents.
Sandy Hook was 6 years ago, so kids in elementary school were still babies or toddlers at the time.
LisaM
(27,808 posts)as the kids who were killed, and if I were a parent, I might worry about that in a visceral way. Not that I support parents going and eating lunch in school cafeterias, I think it's strange, but it might be a way of reassuring themselves that their kids are still alive, which OF COURSE should not be a thing. I'm just trying to dig a little deeper.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But, as we are seeing, mass shootings are happening anywhere lots of people conjugate at the same time.
LisaM
(27,808 posts)I also don't support the parents eating lunch with kids, but as I thought about it, I suppose it's always in the back of their minds, seeing that this is an elementary school in Connecticut. However, I don't think that's the parents proximate reason for going. LIke everything, there's lots of layers.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I had mentioned the article on Facebook on my town's page (also in Connecticut) and some responses said it was done for a special valentine's day lunch, but not really otherwise.
However, several others responded that it was very common in other places where they had moved from - Indiana, North Carolina, Arizona were the states I had remembered.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)It's only one day during the year and afterward you can go out for recess with them for a few minutes then you're told times up you gotta go.
lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)GET> A> LIFE>
Schools have enough to deal with: They can't entertain parents, too.
If you're going to allow parents in schools routinely, you'll have to pony up lots more money for facilities and staff and programs.....
kskiska
(27,045 posts)I'm not there anymore, but Darien is very upscale, without the charm of Westport. The men commute to NYC and are gone all day. When I worked there I used to see the wives at the grocery store shopping in their tennis outfits. Maybe they've got nothing else to do but hover of their kids until it's time for them all to go to dinner at their country club.
NickB79
(19,236 posts)My wife and I typically eat lunch with our 8 yr old daughter once every 2 months or so, usually when a school event like a fundraising marathon or play is going on in the afternoon and we both have the day off from work. So, not by any means a common thing, but not unheard of either.
We bring her a Happy Meal as a treat (not a common meal for her), and she and all her friends think it's the greatest thing ever to eat with adults and show off their school to us. It's also nice to see what kind of meals the school serves (way better than when I was a kid, which is a relief). After 20 min, we're on our way.
It's adorable seeing how many friends she has, how she's turned into such a social butterfly but also stays so kind and compassionate to her friends.
And no, we are not helicopter parents. She's been given more independence than most kids we know, and she's stronger for it by far.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)I wonder if a moderation rule, like once a month, would have been a good compromise.
Demovictory9
(32,454 posts)The principal doesn't want 6 or so present per day. He wants days with zero parents.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Leave your damned kids alone at school. They need to be away from you.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)during elementary school. This is how it was for most kids for generations.
I don't think children have changed much in the meantime -- just the world they're living in.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)between kids walking home for a sandwich and mommy and daddy showing up and bringing home to school. Theres an issue of agency at work.
And I would also posit that very few parents with small children remember a time when they walked home for lunch. That hasnt been common for a long time. DU trends pretty old, so our collective memory is skewed in this instance.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Either a special day set aside once a month OR a parent gets to visit at lunch once a month.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)may need psychiatric intervention after being told no.
teenagebambam
(1,592 posts)I used to walk three blocks home for lunch, then back for afternoon classes. Not every day, but often. Sometimes taking friends with me. From Kindergarten through senior year.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)for middle school.
Demovictory9
(32,454 posts)in HS, we could go to nearby taco bell. Now, I don't know if even HS kids can leave during the day
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)most people in elementary school saw a parent or grandparent every day when they went home for lunch.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and most of us "walkers" walked home for lunch, and then back to school. (This was in a working class neighborhood -- nothing like Darian, CT.)
Families back then usually had a mother or grandparent at home -- but children haven't changed that much. So I can understand why younger elementary kids, especially, might like connecting with a parent at lunch time.
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)because thier parents solved all of thier problems. The future Kellyanne Conways
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)of kids walked home for lunch every day.
Seeing a parent or grandparent at lunch didn't hurt our critical thinking skills. That's a silly idea.
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)That's what Kellyane Conway appears to be to me.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)being any more coddled than going home every day for lunch, like my friends and I all did?
If you read the article, they're talking about a handful of parents being present on a given day at one school; and at another, some immigrant parents wanting to bring their own warm food for their children to eat. (Indian and Pakistani.) Is that so terrible?
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)betsuni
(25,486 posts)Home is parent world, school is kid/teacher world. They should not collide.