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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan we take a moment to step back and gaze in awe at the Baddest of the Badasses, Hillary Clinton?
This woman faced down what is probably the most massive criminal attack on any political figure and our election system in U.S. history and, despite the best efforts of a determined, immoral and craven cabal, STILL managed to get 3 million more votes and come within a hair of taking the Electoral College and becoming president - and through and after it all, stood strong and kept her dignity and her cool.
Make no mistake. Hillary. Clinton. is. a. BADASS.
Funtatlaguy
(10,886 posts)DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Pretty sure her first and continuing thoughts each day are for the American people and good citizens of the world who are getting screwed by the criminal cabal, both foreign and domestic.
It is who she is.
Funtatlaguy
(10,886 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I dont think she has the capacity for schadenfreude.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)LoveMyCali
(2,015 posts)I respect the grace and composure she has shown since the election but I will be dancing in the streets when this nightmare is over.
calimary
(81,466 posts)I feel the same way.
She's total class. He's just an ASS.
Cha
(297,654 posts)MLAA
(17,327 posts)still_one
(92,394 posts)DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)So wrong that Comey nailed her fate, not to mention the voters who believed the years of repubs attacking both her and Bill.
jrthin
(4,837 posts)make her a punching bag.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)It's a full house of reps, tRump:
Mueller's weapon of choice is still an FBI FISA Warrant: read ALL of this...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211491422
GOTCHA
The National Security Agency is the only government group that actually listens...
Maybe, FBI online agents are finally "listening" too...
samnsara
(17,635 posts)..I hope shes got great things in store for us in the future..
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)What she didn't deserve was what people calling themselves Democrats did to her
onit2day
(1,201 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Other than some with the thought crime of wanting another candidate initially to be their nominee?
Please stop this demonizing a large segment of Democrats that perferred Sanders, not because he was a man, or better looking, or grumpier, but because of his harder progressive policies, that did not flip depending on the political climate. Those that then pivoted and voted for Hillary and would have been happy if she had won the Presidency.
In a primary there will be disagreements on issues. Otherwise, why have a primary? And in fact, they agreed on most issues.
If you are talking about accusation of things like a child porn ring in a pizza parlor.....no one who seriously calls themselves a Democrat believed any of that nonsense, as well as the overblown email server mistake, and the Benghazi 'scandal'.
Start putting the blame on the real criminals, the GOP, Trump, Putin's character assassination over decades, using social media, and RW radio and TV. Along with voter suppression tactics in the elections.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Except of course you. People were entitled to choose a candidate in the primary; as you pointed out, that's what PRIMARIES are for. However, once the primary is over and we go into General Election mode, every Democrat should at least vote for, and ideally support, the nominee. That goes for Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, or any other primary candidate.
The fact is, Hillary Clinton won the nomination, by a wide margin. You may not like that, but it's a fact, and as the Democratic nominee, she deserved the votes of all Democrats, particularly in light of what we all were facing. Because she didn't get that, out of anger, pouting, or whatever reason, we're where we are today. And that, NOBODY can deny, unless you're one of those who thought and said that there was "no difference" between Trump and Clinton. One moron even said that Trump was PREFERABLE.
Yes, the real criminals are the GOP, Trump, etc. and they are surely to blame. But I wouldn't feel proud today if I were one of those who voted for Stein or even Trump, or didn't vote at all because my preferred primary candidate didn't win. (BTW, I am NOT accusing you of doing that; hopefully you didn't.)
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Anyone that was considering voting for Sanders, but then voted for Trump was not a vote lost, because they never would have voted for Hillary anyways. These were mostly Independents.
And anyone that was considering voting for Sanders but then voted for Stein, were Sarandon and a handful of others more to the left. Stein got 1% of the vote. The Libertarian party got 3x that, which would have been more than likely right leaning voters. So between the third parties siphoning votes we still came out ahead.
So by continuing to promote the fake news impression that there is any kind of significant amount of Democrats that should be shamed on this board for something that never happened is both unnecessary, and divisive.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)off the charts, but its very predictable. Even your own posts on this thread are more concerned with changing what we all saw happening. Read the Mueller indictments. Its all over the news, especially today. They outline what was done to Hillary and by whom. We know what happened. No need to rewrite what we know.
This thread is about how much Hillary had to overcome and your only comments are to deny it or minimize it and make it about some other group being victimized. No.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)EXACT same thing will happen again.
It ALREADY is.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)on the empty platitudes that attack Democrats. I see what you're saying, though.....
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It's almost robotic, the way some people repeat failed memes, over and over, expecting them to suddenly come true.
guruoo
(5,092 posts)betsuni
(25,614 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)her. Manafort and Devine used to work together.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)deflecting about the damage done to our nominee. The current news and the Mueller indictments will show the facts about who was victimized.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)What is "revisionist"? Just using that word is a hollow gesture. So you are saying Mueller just proved to you that it was Democrats that are mostly at fault then? I didn't read that in there. Where was that?
Do you contend that there was some significant amount of traditional Democratic voters, that actually chose Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton? Or that they were going to vote for Hillary but then they heard Comey a week before, and, did not stay home, or vote for a third party, but actually flipped all the way over to Trump? Who are this large segment of brain dead Ds that would think Trump was any kind of preference than ANY Democrat? Do you know some personally that you can verify that?
Or did you have a problem with the numbers, that the Green party received 1% of the vote, and the Libertarian party received 3%? And that that indicates more right wing votes were lost to fringe parties than left wing voters?
And I have no idea of who you think I believe is victimized. Other than the American public.
indeed
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Hillary by saying it was only about Bernie being the pure "progressive" and that was the only issue, when it was more the attacks on her character. That is rewriting history as you are still trying to do by diverting attention away from what is being played out very publicly right now. It's very telling that none of these rewrites include the known data about who harmed Hillary and that the Russians supported three campaigns -- Stein, Sanders, and Trump because they recognized the benefit that their damaging rhetoric provided. These "look over there" attempts get old. How could you be missing the most current news -- going on right this very moment on the national stage. It's not even believable that there is still this much resistance and denial about what is now well known and one of the most destructive attacks on our Democracy.
Hillary was the victim, not anyone else that you are trying to imply.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)And blaming other Democrats for Putin's machinations? Like they WANTED him to support Stein, Sanders, and Trump?. Sorry, that is whack.
Of course Hillary was the primary victim. Where did I say otherwise? But over all, it was the American democracy that was the most significant victim. I just have a problem with the OP's blaming Democrats for that, when there is no evidence for that.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)indictments and your obfuscations trying to make it personal are lame. You distract a lot altering the facts that it was Putin listening to candidates malign Hillary and assisting them. It wasnt Putin doing it, he was assisting others who did it, so what a bizarre distraction. What is whack is your previous distraction that all Bernie offered was purity progressivism, when thats not true. This is how all these rewrites go, though, so no surprise.
And there is plenty of evidence about what some Democrats did to her. Plenty.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)whatever you say
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Democrats point out her record all the time, not just during the primary, which i never mentioned . I just want to know what the person thinks Democrats did to her.
betsuni
(25,614 posts)The ones promoting the conspiracy theories.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)indictments. Hillary was maliciously maligned. Thats what happened. Read the Mueller indictments to see who was supported to malign her. Thanks.
Cha
(297,654 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)That's a great clip of Hillary, smiling and intelligent, above it all, despite the lies and propaganda against her.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)of a person considering a run who was pressured not to.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Ninga
(8,277 posts)Gothmog
(145,554 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)PunkinPi
(4,878 posts)K&R
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)Pretty much sums up HRC's journey for the last 25 years. Every time there's an attempt to bring the woman down, she gets up, brushes the dust off and continues on. One of my favorite Hillary Clinton lines is:
It doesn't matter if you fall down because everyone falls down. The important thing is who you are when you get back up.
Hillary Clinton always gets back up.
And yes. She. Is. A. Badass.
Chickensoup
(650 posts)You warned us about Trump.
We did not listen.
You stand head and shoulders above
Trump intellectually and as seasoned leader.
But we did not see it.
We and the media have done you wrong
and we owe you more than an apology.
You deserve to be our president.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)Of course I would never vote repub no matter what.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)Yeah, there'd be ongoing baseless accusations and general jibber-jabber from the teabag right, but personally I could tune that out as long as the affairs of government were getting taken care of competently.
The only thing I can say for the Trump presidency is he may take the worst parts of the GOP down with him.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)And given the house and senate control by Republicans, it's likely that she would have faced a baseless, but real impeachment proceeding.
But that would have been better than Trump and a stalled impeachment.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)So the House impeaches trump, then the repub controlled Senate votes to not try him, just like happened to President Clinton. Yes it would be good to have trump impeached on the record. If your goal is to get rid of trump, impeachment will not do it.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)It's such a massive political event that it has ripple effects throughout the system and society. Even the threat of impeachment of Nixon is still a matter of common discussion.
That doesn't mean the ripple effects are predictable though. The impeachment of Bill Clinton arguable helped him as it was seen as nakedly political and the attempt backfired and he gained sympathy.
Fla Dem
(23,741 posts)All the nasty RW trolls would come out from under their rocks to muddy her with every kind of made up dirt and scandals as possible. it would have been relentless.
McConnell and Ryan would have put the brakes on anything she wanted to accomplish legislatively.
If HRC won, I'm not sure the Women's movement would have caught fire with the intensity of a million lights as it has.
I'm not sure we would have flipped the House of Representatives.
The only good I can see that would have been accomplished and it would have been a wonderful thing, would have been the appointment of 2 SCJ. I'm not sure how McConnell could have held them up.
OTOH, having Trump in the WH has exposed the ugly, corrupt underbelly of the RW racist/nationalist faction of the Republican Party. I think that went a long way to getting new Democrats involved in running for office and the voter turnout that flipped the House.
Just my opinion.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for over 2 decades, Hill always shrugged it off and just kept moving up, senate, candidate for president, secretary of state, candidate for president. Did you know that before and between those 2 Normandy Landing battles to be the first woman elected president her approval ratings were consistently high? She had confidence in herself and belief in what she wanted to accomplish and would have entered the presidency with the same enthusiasm for making a big difference that she brought to the battle for office.
As for me, if she could handle constant fake scandals like background noise that couldn't be turned off, I could turn it off and did. Hardly excruciating. And when Judicial Watch gleefully announced in summer 2016 that they have 5 brand new scandals all designed and ready to launch one after another once she was president, I rolled my eyes and was mostly just curious to find out what they'd be about, and when the inevitable backlash when the public finally had too much would finally come.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)Had Hillary won the race she won, we would not have reversed HUNDREDS of positive actions taken by Obama.
sigh
I dont have the energy to list the NIGHTMARE we live in now that we would not live in.
That kind of thinking is simply WOW
SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)I don't think we can forget what happened to the people in The Bernie campaign. Hillary's people we're culpable in dirty tricks there. You have to look at the whole picture. We didn't deserve Trump but exposing the seamy underbelly of Republican party dirty tricks campaign... And yes it is a matter of degrees and they went way way way over the line may serve to help right the political direction of this country, and bend the Arc of Justice in the right direction.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)campaigns against Hillary. Why no acknowledgement of the dirty tricks used against Hillary. Being a popular Democrat who has worked for the party and is well known is not a dirty trick.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Right back there at the White House instead of as private citizens as it has already. They were invisible during the midterms for a reason.
On the plus side, we wouldnt have Kavanaugh but wed probably still be stuck at eight judges.
Then again, if she was a better candidate maybe she would have brought the Senate along with her. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.
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grantcart
(53,061 posts)yardwork
(61,703 posts)FDR died in 1945. Hillary born in 1947.
Serious bad ass to pull that off.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)yardwork
(61,703 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)damn I would have liked to see that post
fishwax
(29,149 posts)which involved an allege coup d'etat against FDR, though I don't think the plan was to actually assassinate him.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)She won the popular vote by millions, and I know that chaps His Highness's orange ass. She'll always have that, that more people preferred her to be their president.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)He turned that election upside down with his multiple interventions to damage her. And his final intervention alone cost her what would have been a decisive victory.
The media acts like the polls were wrong all along, when, in fact, the polls changed towards the end. Until that point they may have been understating her lead.
ffr
(22,671 posts)Wishful thinking. But that's all I want for Xmas.
Aristus
(66,462 posts)is that look of determination.
You GO, Ms. Clinton!
I'm still with H------->er
-Steph-
(409 posts)woman I've ever seen.
mcar
(42,372 posts)Despite all the hate, lies, smears and misogyny, she still managed to win and election that was stolen from her. She then dealt with media and "liberals" telling her to go away, go knit something, stop talking.
She persisted. She stands tall and proud.
She is a badass!
leanforward
(1,077 posts)How do you like your coffee?
I'm sorry she lost, according to the Electoral College. However, I also believe the GOP control of the Senate and House would have subjected her to abuse that would be beyond belief.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)If not for treason, she'd be our President.
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)deplorable.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)One way or another, because if rump and team arent held accountable, we patriots have to do something drastic.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)So its not enough that Hillary Clinton had the 2016 presidential election stolen from her by James Comey, Russia and an electoral system so unfair and outmoded as to award victory to a candidate who lost the popular vote by almost three million votes. Its not enough that the first woman to be a major-party presidential candidate in history had to endure decades of hatred and efforts to destroy her by the Republicans, building up to the grand finale fireworks display of Lock her up!
Now shes supposed to just shut up and go away? With friends like The New York Timess editorial page, rehashing the same old garbage, who needs Fox News?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/opinion/letters/hillary-clinton.html
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)betsuni
(25,614 posts)niyad
(113,552 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,431 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
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leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Please speak for only yourself and not all Democrats.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)It smacks of fascist/communist iconography to me.
JHan
(10,173 posts)politicians, but *THis* thread is the one you've decided to get all twisted about and include far fetched ( hilarious) comparisions to Nazism.
Incredible. ( Actually no I expected the ridiculous)...
betsuni
(25,614 posts)That's some massive projection, massive something.
JHan
(10,173 posts)betsuni
(25,614 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)it's like.. oh here we go .
betsuni
(25,614 posts)"People. You must love people. Men are admirable. I want to vomit -- and suddenly, there it is: the Hillary Nausea." (Sorry, Sartre.)
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Seriously?
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EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)OK
JHan
(10,173 posts)LOL.
progressoid
(49,999 posts).
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)... and I say that with all love and respect for Hillary.
Her feet have been held to the fire for way too long. She's been vilified and blamed for everything by the rightwing nut jobs, for even longer than Obama has. Hillary deserves some quiet time with her family and friends, and when she's ready to come back, she'll let us know. If Hillary decides she's done with politics, I'll be disappointed but I will respect her decision.
Thank you Hillary Clinton, you are one classy, smart and brave woman. A true badass!
griloco
(832 posts)Nt
4u2
(19 posts)because only she has the stature and the ability to say this. It will be controversial and will take a lot of courage, but it can be her last great service to the nation. She goes on a national stage (TV interview) and says:
Mr. President,
I speak as a political opponent you want to lock up;
I speak as an American shocked to read about a concentration camp constructed in the desert for innocent children;
I speak as a mother nauseate by reports of babies being ripped from the arms of their nursing mothers;
I speak as an ordinary person horrified to see children and their mothers running in terror from tear-gas launched by my government;
I speak as a person who knows good people do not participate in a Torchlight march based on racism, bigotry, and hate;
I speak as a politician who has not liked everything said about me in the news, but I know the news media is not the enemy of the people;
I speak as a citizen who knows that a real leader does nothing to spread hate and fear;
Mr. President, you may not think you are a Nazi, and you may not call yourself a Nazi, but sir, your actions are those of a Nazi.
I'm sorry, but it is time it was said.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)President in Exile, Hillary Rodham Clinton, or Madame President in Exile
and
Putin's Fake President Trump, PFPT (although I hardly ever use his name, only turdface...), maybe PFPtrump...
Hillary WAS elected by 3 million more total votes, and only lost the electoral college by 70,000 votes in three gerrymandered states whose election data bases had been accessed by russian hackers. So she isn't out of the country, but she was cheated out of the office. I define that as "in exile".
And EVERYTHING about turdface is FAKE.
Remember, folks, it is all about shaping the narrative.
Can you imagine his total meltdown if more and more started using those titles???
Hillary is totally BADASS!!! She is the strongest woman in politics I have ever seen.
GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)NNadir
(33,544 posts)iluvtennis
(19,871 posts)Cha
(297,654 posts)betsuni
(25,614 posts)spicysista
(1,663 posts)Unfortunately, the country got the president deserved and not the one needed. She is recognized by the majority of the world as a true leader (who's also great at providing reliable assists), a trailblazer, dream defender, and an ally in many movements.
And yes, professor, she is absolutely a total badass.
Niagara
(7,659 posts)#stillwithher
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Perfectly stated!
triron
(22,020 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)removed and someone from the winning party taking over.
Hillary is a great American, a great progressive and liberal American.
She would have made tremendous advances for our nation.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)It's not easy to be the first in any field. She has a long list of "firsts" and has more courage and brains in her pinkie than Trump has in his entire bloated body. That he's in the WH and she's not will always remain an open wound for me, particularly since she won the popular vote by almost 3M.
Stay strong, Hillary!!!
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)She was correct then, and look at the mess America is in today, courtesy of the very real, very ugly, vast right-wing conspiracy.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Vast right wing conspiracy, deplorables, Putin's puppet, etc.
VOX
(22,976 posts)EllieBC
(3,041 posts)We werent good enough to have you, HRC. 😔
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That and a few thousand idiot farmers/coal miners/factory workers that drank Trump's GOP purple kool-aid.
calimary
(81,466 posts)That guy with the dead weasel on his head is a mere squatter in her Oval Office.
When any of his apologists whine that "America has spoken," or "the voters have spoken," they're ignoring the fact that "America"/"the voters" DID speak - choosing HER over trump. SHE won the popular vote. By approximately THREE MILLION votes. She was robbed and cheated, BIGTIME.
BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)I NEVER have and NEVER will call The Orange Farce "President."
Bad as Bush II was - and he was terrible (9-11, two major wars, at least one of which is still ongoing and the other ongoing in its Daesh progeny, and the 2008 recession - among other things), I still very reluctantly accepted him as the President even I still considered that Al Gore actually won the 2000 election.
But when the same bunch of traitors like Susan Sarandon, Jill Stein and their ilk - knowingly or not - were literally in league with the Russians and the consistent 37% of willfully stupid Americans to give us Trump against the best-qualified candidate ever in 2016, I will NEVER accept that result.
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)How about the people that were President who actually, you know, created the government that they ran? I mean Madison seems like a pretty qualified person to be President given he was pretty much the most important guy in the writing of the Constitution. You know, the document that our government is based on. He also served as Jefferson's (the guy who pretty much wrote the Bill of Rights, so he should probably be considered in the discussion of most qualified human to run for President, too) Secretary of State after being in Congress before he ran for President.
Also, and I realize all of the problems he had as a president and him being an all around asshole, but Nixon was an attorney, was a decorated officer in the Navy during WWII, was a Representative, Senator, and Vice President before he ran for President. That's pretty qualified for the position.
Or John Kerry if you don't want to include Republicans. I realize he was Sec of State after he ran for President, but he was Lt Gov of a large state and a Senator for nearly 30 years before he ran.
In It to Win It
(8,283 posts)radical noodle
(8,013 posts)She will always be our champion and my hero.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)I very badly want TrumpCo. to go to prison, just to vindicate Hillary Rodham Clinton. After everything those fascist GOP bastards have put her through that's the very least the Lords of Karma (great name for a band!) could do to swing the pendulum in the other direction.
I love that woman. She's tougher than nails and keeps on smiling through everything they've thrown at her. And they were all damned lies. All the time and money they wasted to prove nothing!
Roy Rolling
(6,933 posts)I appreciate everyone being on the right side of history, but time marches on. I am open to the next generation of Democratic leaders, they are my long-term future.
And in the short-term, we were fu**ed out of a Gore presidency, fuc*ed out of a Hillary presidency, ---candidates who were clearly superior to their GOP opponents.
That is why Hillary is attractive to me today, she knows how to fix that. I don't want a 2016 do-over. She was right about Trump and Russia then, she's the best at standing up to Putin and his GOP comrades now. Go Hillary.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)She definitely, eloquently, plainly, and unequivocally warned us.
Maybe that's why so many people want her to shut up and go away now.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)but i get it