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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAny thoughts on if PENCE KNEW?
My money is on that he knew EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Bring it on!
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)Could be involved!!!!!!!!!!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He's going down too.
LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)no one talks to each other, and everything happens in a vacuum. Things just do not work that way in real life.
They play the public for fools.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and information is power. I don't believe he's presidential-smarts material, but nor is he stupid. The question isn't what he knew but what can be proven he knew, or perhaps just what might cause a critical loss of public confidence in his innocence.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,437 posts)Pence is a phony. His pious persona is paper thin. At heart, he's an amoral power hungry monster who was caught approving of Flynn's access to classified information when he KNEW that Flynn was a foreign agent. And he did so because it's what HE wanted, and what Trumpy wanted. So Pence is, IMO, a target who will be indicted.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a belief in the need of the people for the stability provided by strong ruling classes and authoritarian government. Serving god through business and dutiful people, a born natural fascist, and of course highly immoral -- he doesn't know it though. Same for Romney. The right's elevating a pack of them in this era, no coincidence.
Mueller hasn't interviewed Pence yet... Hope, hope. We think we know about Flynn, but what else? Pence was active and in the middle of everything through much of the campaign and transition eras, and of course now.
When I spoke of info and power, I was thinking that powerful people and their groups spend a lot of money and effort gathering information about everything that might affect them -- while presumably trying to maintain plausible deniability. All those in the Republican Party leadership, and among most of their big, dark-money donors, like the Koch alliance of hundreds of extremely wealthy people (themselves all power centers) have to know a great deal that we don't.
But it absolutely would have been the business of Pence and his backers, who include the Kochs, to know.
nycbos
(6,041 posts)... but someone said "Pence is smart enough to get up and leave the room when Russia is mentioned"
kysrsoze
(6,024 posts)bluestarone
(17,101 posts)WOW i tell you just WOW!!!
Hassler
(3,395 posts)Lindsay
(3,276 posts)doesn't know much of anything about anything.
But I can't forget that it was Manafort who manipulated Trump into choosing Pence. There's gotta be a reason for that, and it can't be an innocent one, not from Manafort.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,723 posts)His brother was a lobbyist(?) or Exec for Cummins Diesel engines. He was very much involved with export of engines and Russia was a big customer.
LW1977
(1,237 posts)Or so says Sean Comiskey of the Stephanie Miller Show.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)that establish some slippery stuff about Pence during the transition involving Flynn
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)Whitaker to i hope!!!!!!!!!!!
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)Duppers
(28,130 posts)ffr
(22,676 posts)if that's what you mean.
I think the official line was that they were talking finance. But the Assange WikiLeaks news timing is uncomfortably coincidental for Pence, if you ask me. Plus, he has a Mike Flynn problem.
Let's hope Mueller's final report doesn't come out until 2019, just in case.
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Dipstick Donnie and is replaced by the Speaker of the House.
doc03
(35,427 posts)bluestarone
(17,101 posts)Feeling the same way here!!!
leftieNanner
(15,188 posts)That McConnell's PAC took many millions of Rubles.
He has to be dirty.
Tanuki
(14,926 posts)were Kremlin stooges,, insisting that they keep what he just said "in the family."
SWBTATTReg
(22,191 posts)anticipated)...makes sense, you got everyone supposedly going in one direction under rump during the campaign in 2016. rump is not intelligent enough to pull in all of the strings so even though he knew of the 'collusion' he wasn't sharp enough (or running his mouth as he usually does would have ruined things, so the Russians picked someone else to run the whole thing).
Vinca
(50,323 posts)We're going to need a whole, new wing at a federal prison. It should be called the Robert Swan Mueller III Correctional Facility.
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)Blue Owl
(50,544 posts)n/t
DFW
(54,476 posts)PENCE KNEW!!
WE definitely AGREE!
diva77
(7,671 posts)(I agree)
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)bluestarone
(17,101 posts)rickford66
(5,530 posts)bluestarone
(17,101 posts)rickford66
(5,530 posts)the Speaker of the House becomes President. It could happen. I won't bet on it though. Just a fantasy.
Polybius
(15,517 posts)If the evidence is overwhelming on both, they will convict and remove Trump, but insist that the House confirms President Pence's VP pick first before they remove him. Probably Mitt Romney.
rickford66
(5,530 posts)It's possible but not probable. And why would Pence get to choose a VP if both he and
Trump were convicted at the same time ? If Pence became president, he wouldn't pick his VP. Nixon didn't choose his VP when Agnew quit. I believe Congress agreed somehow. And Congress somehow picked Ford's VP (Rocky). But in the end, your scenario would be more likely.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Won't happen.
If Pence is prez for even five minutes after Trumpy gets the boot, he gets to nominate a new VP.
The Senate is still in R hands, and will confirm anyone Pence nominates.
rickford66
(5,530 posts)Nixon didn't nominate Ford and Ford didn't nominate Rocky. He may prefer someone but Congress decides.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Nixon did nominate Ford.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Gerald_Ford#Accession
rickford66
(5,530 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)We studied it intensely.
Don't know what would happen if the House refused to confirm an R VP nomination. I suspect they would have to come up with a nominee that would be a compromise.
rickford66
(5,530 posts)It stumps lots of them. Great trivia question.
Polybius
(15,517 posts)If anything, there would be two separate trails and after Trump was removed (or steps down), President Pence picks a VP that must be confirmed.
When Agnew quit, Nixon did indeed send the nominee (Ford) to Congress for approval. The President picks whoever he wants, but is subject to approval from Congress. Ford was well-respected on both sides, and was easily confirmed. Once Ford became President, he nominated his own VP, who was also easily confirmed. I'd expect Pence to nominate someone non-controversial, although these days it won't be easy to find a well-liked Republican anywhere. Probably Romney would get chosen, and confirmed fairly easily.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)Doesn't matter what evidence is found or how horrible their crimes, they will never hand us the White House early.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)He is a co-conspirator. Let the Hunger Games begin.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)They told him (Elijah Cummings, Sally Yates), and he did nothing.
At that point, whether he knew or not doesnt matter.
He knew, because they told him, and he did either nothing, or furthered the cover up. Busted.
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)This could be VERY interesting for sure!!
volstork
(5,403 posts)he knew. He participated. As did turtle and ryan.
BigDemVoter
(4,158 posts)I bet that stupid, fucking Bible thumper knew EVERYTHING about it. What a goddamned waste of space. . . . .
Bettie
(16,139 posts)Mike Pence is up to his albino eyebrows in this.
I tend to agree.
dlk
(11,597 posts)Keeping a low profile won't make a difference. I would bet Mueller has evidence of the entire conspiracy.
triron
(22,028 posts)bluestarone
(17,101 posts)Who knows what Mueller has right?
ananda
(28,891 posts)Might get rich off of it, lol.
allgood33
(1,584 posts)Chiyo-chichi
(3,591 posts)...that he is actually dried Elmer's glue in the shape of a man.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I love this!
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,786 posts)When Trump wanted to pick somebody else as his running mate, it was Manafort who told him to pick Pence, a guy he'd never met before. Pence was the head of the transition team. He signed off on EVERYTHING Flynn and Manafort did. If Pence didn't specifically authorize all their Russian contacts, then he certainly knew about them. And if he claims to not know what they were doing, he has to be the dumbest, most incompetent leader of all time. Either way, he was either in on it or he's so dumb and incompetent that he's unfit to run the Slurpee machine at 7-11, let alone the country.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,723 posts)Organized Crime Party
Mike Nelson
(9,978 posts)
he knew. I think the Republicans want to protect him, tho...
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)The REPUBLITOADS will do anything to keep one of them!!
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)bluestarone
(17,101 posts)TY for the kick
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)He is a slimy snake in the grass. Notice how absent he has been lately? He is hiding out waiting for what "God has promised him" the presidency.
KPN
(15,671 posts)carried out by the GOP with the intentionally obtained aid and abetment of a foreign power.
This was a treasonous act of the highest order.
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)Man do i FULLY AGREE!!!!!! These bastards were ready to give our country away!!!!!! NO DOUBT IN MY MIND!!!!!
samplegirl
(11,519 posts)In the Whitehouse! Everyone there was no way of not!
Bayard
(22,199 posts)Getting tRump dislodged from the White House, even with his blatant crimes. The Senate will never toss Pence. Yertle and Ryan would be pure fantasy.
BigDemVoter
(4,158 posts)Hekate
(90,952 posts)Tip of the hat to The Shadow.
peggysue2
(10,847 posts)he headed the Transition Team. He knew everything. He went along to get close to the WH, fulfill his God-given ambition to transform the country into a theocratic nightmare. He was willing to ride the Trumpster's coat tails to accomplish that.
He knew EVERYTHING.
dflprincess
(28,089 posts)And my biggest fear is the Republicans will pressure both Trump and Pence to resign before January 3rd which would make Ryan president.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)As Bush Sr. was for Reagan.