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Beloved Yellowstone Wolf 'Spitfire' Killed By Trophy Hunter (Original Post) lordsummerisle Dec 2018 OP
Where were tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber? BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #1
News services need to STOP saying that the trophy hunter killed SpitFire legally. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #2
is hunting wolves in yellowstone legal? Takket Dec 2018 #4
No, it's not legal to hunt anything in Yellowstone, Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #14
Are you sure about that? sl8 Dec 2018 #10
Yellowstone is a NATIONAL park, not a Wyoming State facility. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #16
Yes, but this didn't happen in the Park. n/ t sl8 Dec 2018 #20
True. It happened just outside the Park's territory. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #24
for the record, the wolf was actually killed in Montana fishwax Dec 2018 #27
Thanks for the correction. n/t sl8 Dec 2018 #29
For the" record" MFM008 Dec 2018 #33
It is legal to kill collared wolves inwiththenew Dec 2018 #38
I trust he has chatted with Cecil the Lion, who met a similar fate. Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #3
................... Doreen Dec 2018 #5
I hear you. I understand what you're expressing without words. VOX Dec 2018 #8
Not that the "trophy" hunter knew this, Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #19
Sure, but now some redneck jerk misanthrope Dec 2018 #30
I know what you mean. Duppers Dec 2018 #34
I feel the same way. llmart Dec 2018 #36
Tantamount to murder. VOX Dec 2018 #6
I support hunting for food vercetti2021 Dec 2018 #7
NOBODY in North America eats wolf meat. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #15
Of course not vercetti2021 Dec 2018 #31
Trophy hunters are scum. Coventina Dec 2018 #9
A wolf wouldn't do that though ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #11
Or a whole pack! Coventina Dec 2018 #13
In the last 175 years of recorded history, Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #21
On the other hand ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #23
Yes, we could. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #26
:( Cha Dec 2018 #12
Dammit. MontanaMama Dec 2018 #17
You have to be demented to want to kill a wolf world wide wally Dec 2018 #18
I must take exception here. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #22
R.I.P. Spitfire Niagara Dec 2018 #25
Trophy hunters are fucking scum. Iggo Dec 2018 #28
Wolves are essential. StarryNite Dec 2018 #32
That's the way I see it, too. DFW Dec 2018 #37
Find the name of the trophy a-hole - Post it online - Consequences Number9Dream Dec 2018 #35

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
1. Where were tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber?
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:38 PM
Dec 2018

Were they around that area at the time the poor wolf was murdered?

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
2. News services need to STOP saying that the trophy hunter killed SpitFire legally.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:09 AM
Dec 2018

She was wearing a radio-tracking I D collar at the time. That means that she was protected and not to be targeted. Someone was monitoring her behavior and her movements.

Every hunter has a telescopic lens mounted on the rifle. That means that he HAD to have seen her collar. Animals who wear such collars are to avoided at all costs.

In short, he did NOT kill her LEGALLY.

In 2018, "trophy hunters" need to go the way of the troglodyte, the neanderthal and the dodo. Their blood-lust is a pathological behavior and needs to be outlawed.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
14. No, it's not legal to hunt anything in Yellowstone,
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:40 AM
Dec 2018

but SpitFire had wandered just outside the park's perimeter. This is one of the reasons why advocates are pressing for "buffer zones" around national parks.

Wolves - like Grizzlies - do not read signs. Nor do they understand man's concept of "territory."

sl8

(13,753 posts)
10. Are you sure about that?
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:37 AM
Dec 2018

Wyoming Game and Fish say it's legal to take collared animals, but ask that hunters return the collars, intact.

Have you seen something to the contrary?

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/News/You-can-help-wildlife-by-returning-tracking-co-(1)

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
24. True. It happened just outside the Park's territory.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:02 AM
Dec 2018

This is one reason why many wolf and wildlife advocates are working to pass laws creating "buffer zones" around National parks. Nature's creatures cannot be expected to adhere to invisible geographical boundaries. A healthy wolf can range over miles in a day. Can that take them out of the National Park system ? Of course. Hence the need for "buffer zones."

However, none of this changes the fact that SpitFire was wearing a radio-tracking I D collar at the time she was shot. EVERY hunter, trophy or sustenance, knows that radio-collared animals are off-limits. Someone is tracking and monitoring such an animal's movements and behaviors, sometimes specifically to identify range and habits. Here in Washington, Washington State University studies wolves to help the State make appropriate laws and set rules about propriety.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
27. for the record, the wolf was actually killed in Montana
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:35 AM
Dec 2018

(It is legal to take collared animals in Montana as well.)

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
5. ...................
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:22 AM
Dec 2018

I keep typing things to say but none of them seem to make it clear enough how angry I am. Not only can I not be clear enough but I would probably get into trouble from DU and possible other places. Wolves are such majestic creatures and are very misunderstood.
















VOX

(22,976 posts)
8. I hear you. I understand what you're expressing without words.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:25 AM
Dec 2018

Fills me with unbridled RAGE as well.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
19. Not that the "trophy" hunter knew this,
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:46 AM
Dec 2018

But SpitFire had given birth to four healthy pups just this Autumn. Now they are without a mother.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
30. Sure, but now some redneck jerk
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:53 AM
Dec 2018

has shown us all how big his penis is by utilizing technology discovered and designed by someone else's intellect and skill to kill an apex predator. Isn't that how this works?

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
34. I know what you mean.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:57 AM
Dec 2018

If someone's pet wolf-dog hybrid were roaming, these heartless, despicable humans would shoot it too.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
36. I feel the same way.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:36 AM
Dec 2018

I read this article yesterday and didn't see it posted anywhere on DU yet and I just couldn't bring myself to even comment on it. Our domestic pets/dogs are descended from wolves and I love dogs with all my heart, so this touched me deeply and I just didn't know how to express the anger I feel at these scum, aka trophy hunters, starting with the Trump spawn.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
6. Tantamount to murder.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:22 AM
Dec 2018

Stalking a beautiful creature with a high-powered rifle and telescopic sight is cruel and unsporting. And what will the trophy-hunter do with his "trophy"? Mount it over the fireplace?

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
9. Trophy hunters are scum.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:34 AM
Dec 2018

I am against the DP, but I sure would love to see them torn to pieces by their victims.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
11. A wolf wouldn't do that though
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:38 AM
Dec 2018

They are wary of people. However, I am in complete agreement with you on this. Just one time let there be an angry wolf!

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
21. In the last 175 years of recorded history,
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:50 AM
Dec 2018

Not one person has been attacked by a healthy wolf (Wolves can develop rabies, but it's rare.). However, this does not include wolves chasing people away from dens with newborn pups. Key word here is "chasing."

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
23. On the other hand
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:55 AM
Dec 2018

Wolves have raised human children. And I know this has sort of passed into the "folklore" passed down by the likes of Kipling, but there are a few cases in reality. So combine that with your info about wolves chasing people from their dens, and what emerges is an animal with highly developed nurturing skills/instincts. Whereas humans, well, we could learn a thing or two from the wolves.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
26. Yes, we could.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:09 AM
Dec 2018

The social structure of the wolf pack is amazing. Every member of the pack has a place in the hierarchy, and all are integral to the survival of the pack. Some think that the "Omega" is bullied and ostracized. Not so. The "Omega" is every bit as important in the family as the "Alpha" mated pair.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
18. You have to be demented to want to kill a wolf
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:46 AM
Dec 2018

Ok...maybe if you're a rancher and it's killing your livestock. Maybe.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
22. I must take exception here.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:54 AM
Dec 2018

In the U S, ranchers are compensated by the Federal government for wolf kills of sheep, cows, etc.

And there are tried and true methods of determent that many a rancher uses to discourage wolves from preying on their livestock.

It's not a perfect solution, but Nature's creatures must be respected for the keystone places they hold in the environment.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
37. That's the way I see it, too.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:49 AM
Dec 2018

But, of course, when you consider that Trump's son is a trophy hunter, it's not a difficult point of view to arrive at.

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