Thinking back on the video of Putin and the Saudi Prince

[lunatica]

doing the Arab/Russian version of the high five salute, I am left really wondering what that was all about. If we take Trump’s reaction as knowing what it was really about it would explain his pouting bad mood during the G20.

if You watch the video again you’ll see that Putin and the prince didn’t say anything. They just reacted to each other in a way that is obviously telling of people being in cahoots over something that has turned out exactly the way they wanted it to. They came across to me like conspirators unable to contain their glee because their plan worked perfectly.

We didn’t get to see the Saudi Prince’s expression but we know he was laughing. But Putin’s face was quite telling. Not only was he laughing but he was gleeful, out of control for a few moments. I’ve never seen Putin with anything close to showing real emotion before.

Once they sat down it looked like they continued to giggle and finally Putin rubbed his hand roughly down
His face. It was a gesture that looked like he was trying to stop showing emotion. He was putting his mask back on, unaware the camera had caught all of it.

I wonder what that was all about because I think it was an important tell. Any ideas? I have an educated suspicion it isn’t good for humanity, and specifically not good for the Western world and the US.

[dameatball]

1. There have been reports that Russia is interested in helping the Saudis with nuclear plants.

We could be looking at the beginning of a switch in the Saudi/US partnership to a Saudi/Russian partnership. Obviously I am just guessing. I wonder what Iran thinks of that concept.

[lunatica]

6. We can only guess at this juncture

We don’t know what it was specifically about, but anyone who is an observer of human reactions can pick up on such an obvious emotional interchange. Adding that observation to the knowledge of the political propensities of both these men gives us chills, or it ought to.

Guessing is all we have at this time. And the idea that they can get something big that gives them power out of it is a good guess. I think you’re onto the larger picture for Putin at least. The Saudi prince would be a perfect partner in the Middle East. And Iran may be OK with it as it means less power for the US.

[libdem4life]

2. Astute observation. Does not bode well, as it wasn't intended for cameras, it appears.

All The Cretin had to do was disavow a murder. Putin already had him by the short hairs. And Kim is developing his nuclear systems.

Then there's our true allies...Europe and Canada ... just ugh.

[lapfog_1]

3. The russians screwed with the election

and so did the Saudis with monetary contributions

all to get a weak and stupid person elected President of the US. one who is also an isolationist.

This allows the two dictators to do what they want in the future with Asia, Europe, and the Middle East.

[lunatica]

9. Yes. That's their long term plan

Perhaps another cog has just fallen in place and their plan is more secure.

Yet these men are not ones who have friends. Like all dictators they basically only have family loyalty and politically expedient allies or foes. At this moment Putin and the Saudi prince are allies in some scheme that appears to be successful. Perhaps more successful than they expected.

It just occurred to me that Trump’s mid term election losses may be part of their plan too. Would Putin have his diplomats here leaking information to Mueller and the FBI to now undermine Trump? It will be interesting to see if that has legs.

[Jarqui]

4. Maybe laughing about their trade of nerve agent for a good bone saw nt

[Control-Z]

5. I made that same assumption on the spot

when I first saw it. I took it a step further in my mind and thought they were playing it up intentionally to toy with the maggot's emotions.

[Hortensis]

7. I'm sure of it. They know that cameras are always on them

and were putting on a show of mocking their enemies, especially us but also all the other nations in alliance with us. Putin especially loves to do that, like parading Trump like his pet poodle in Helsinki.

Sorry, guys, but when women run to take over the planet all three of these jerkwads are going to star in our campaign ads.

[matt819]

8. Or. . .

they could just be trolling trump.

As in, it meant nothing (even if it was in bad taste), but they just wanted to fuck with trump.

It would be interesting to watch a longer video to see if they might have waited to do their high-five routine until trumpy bear entered the room.

All of that being said, it certainly seems that Putin is now abandoning trump. State media basically describing him as they might a depressed court jester, and now reports this morning that the Kremlin is releasing documentation supporting Cohen's testimony to the grand jury. Of course, the Kremlin could just as easily have released documentation showing just the opposite, being the Kremlin and all. But they didn't.

[lunatica]

10. Yes. I think Putin now abandoning Trump

is probably one of Putin’s original goal moves. He’s hoping it will destabilize us further. If that’s the case it kind of shows he doesn’t understand the way Democracy works. Russia isn’t equipped to have the will of the people make any difference. It’s never been a Democracy and only reacts to its leadership. It’s any Strongman’s dream. Putin is careful to kill his opponents which doesn’t leave any foothold for anyone to really oppose him successfully.

From what I saw of the video it looked like Putin and the prince were just meeting for the first time. They were in the bustle of everyone entering the room at once. But it seems strange they would just want to mess with Trump’s head since Trump has been quite ‘loyal’ to them.

We probably shouldn’t project our feeling of Trump on how other leaders react to him. To us Trump is the enemy of our country, but to Putin he’s a very useful tool.