Apparently the Joy/Meghan blow up on 'The View', today, was damn near a breaking point

[Siwsan]

It was definitely the worst I've seen. Joy was talking about the good work GHWB did in signing the "Clean Air Act" and now trump* is working to undo all of the progress made and that climate change could change her into a 'one issue' voter. That triggered Meghan to interject:

McCain: 'Can we focus on the president, please. I don't want to talk about Trump, we're honoring a great president,'

Behar: 'Excuse me a second, please. I want to talk about - ' .......

McCain: 'We're honoring a great president who passed and I'm not interested in your one-issue voting.'

Behar: 'I don't care what you're interested in. I'm talking!'

McCain: 'Well I don't care what you're interested in either, Joy!'

Whoopi quickly called for a commercial break.

During the break, Joy pretty much letting the producers know if they don't reign in McCain, she's leaving. Personally, I wish they'd cut McCain, but apparently more people are tuning in - perhaps in hopes of seeing just the kind of thing that happened, today. I can't think of a single thing, other than unnecessary harping, Meghan contributes to the show.

Anyway, 'The Daily Mail' has quite the article on the dust up.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6455991/The-Views-Joy-Behar-Meghan-McCain-blow-tribute-George-Bush.html

[skylucy]

1. Megan McCain was out of line. She should apologize.

[Siwsan]

4. It's rare when she isn't rudely abusive

Meghan needs to find some place where she can put her BA in Art History to good use.

[skylucy]

6. ...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. She's the worst... needs to go!

[Haggis for Breakfast]

80. It's like she's trying to turn The View into an all-female version of the Jerry Springer Show.

I think the bitch needs xanax.

[samnsara]

2. this is why i DONT want to watch.. Joys right, i think Meghan is toxic to the show..

[Siwsan]

5. As soon as Meghan starts yammering, I hit the mute button on the remote

She's rude to the panel members and she's rude to guests.

[CountAllVotes]

29. Mr. CountAllVotes can't stand the sound of her voice

Not that I disagree.

Those roots are showing badly is what I say!

[blueinredohio]

38. This is why I don't watch. I can't stand Meghan.

[tblue37]

66. She always butts in aggressively. nt

[msongs]

3. mccains entire premise is false - ghwb was not a "great" president nt

[Big Blue Marble]

7. Exactly

He only seems good relative to what we are experiencing now.

[karynnj]

18. rather than argue over "great" or not, the point is Joy WAS speaking of something

where he was good. The clean air act that was designed to reduce acid rain worked. It should be noted that the Clean Air Act was the US implementation of the international agreement called the Montreal Protocal. At this link, you can see how the world working together reduced the problem through an international effort. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol In 2016, an amendment to the Montreal Protocal - the Kigali Amendment was enacted and has the potentical to help on the climate change.

There is a stark difference between GHWB, who actually was part of the solution on that ... and Trump speaking of removing incentives for renewable energy and - to make it worse - subsidizing coal. Meagan McCain obviously knew little of the fact that in those Bush years and really until 2008, her dad was closer to Bush on this iissue than to Trump.

As to climate change itself, at the 1992 Rio summit, Bush had both an administration delegation and a delegation of NGO representatives who had credibility on climate change. One of the members of the delegation was Teresa Heinz, who had led an effort to create green building in Pittsburgh. There was also a bipartisan Senate/Congressional delegations -- one member of that was John Kerry.

[CountAllVotes]

32. True

He was a one-term president and the people voted him OUT the DOOR! BUH BYE!

[hlthe2b]

8. I thought this might be wy they brought Abby Huntsman on--no smarter, but more gracious & civil....

Will they use her to excuse getting rid of the unbelievably disrespectful and disruptive Meghan McCain? How long does her "grief" pass last?

[madaboutharry]

9. Meghan was 100% wrong.

There was nothing wrong with what Joy said. Meghan owes Joy an on air apology. She was rude. Meghan is a spoiled brat.

[JI7]

10. meghan is an ignorant piece of shit

[PaulX2]

21. You Mean A Republican

Basically.

[nolabear]

11. I lol'd at the audience faces as they cut away.

It was like watching a group gathered around a fight. I suspected things didn't end after the cutaway. People were gasping, grabbing one another...it was FABULOUS.

[DURHAM D]

12. Megan is ugly inside and out. nt

[Hermit-The-Prog]

13. RWNJs make noise, get eyeballs for ads

Same formula made Fox rich. Same formula is used in every tv series. Same formula used for "wrestling" and spin-offs.

Belligerence sells soap and SUVs.

[Iggo]

14. Behar/McCain.

And yeah McCain's an idiot.

[MiniMe]

15. 'Can we focus on the president, please. I don't want to talk about Trump' interesting statement

Since tRump is unfortunately the president

[ADX]

16. Meghan's irritating but she's not going anywhere unless/until she wants to ...

...because the drama and bickering is good for ratings.

[Siwsan]

17. But if Joy leaves the show, Meghan loses the target for her schtick.

I know she's gotten into it with Whoopi, in the past, but she has backed off that routine. She and Abby are think-alikes and she's friends with Sunny. So, no Joy, no drama.

[ADX]

24. The drama's a good draw but it's not vital...

...If Joy left, Meghan would dial it back a notch because she'd have no foil to play against. That being said though, I don't see Joy leaving anytime soon. Joy's a native New Yorker who doesn't mind mixing it up, in fact, I'm sure she relishes it. She left the show before and managed to find her way back for around $2 million per year so I doubt she'd up and leave now just because Meghan gets on her nerves. If anything, ABC will bump her $ up a notch or two come contract re-negotiation time if they need to.

[Siwsan]

25. I'd love to see Meghan's reaction, if Joy would get a salary bump to stay on the show!

I get the feeling this acrimony is an escalating problem. Meghan doesn't confront Sunny or Whoopi with nearly the same caustic venom as she does Joy and didn't with Sarah, either, when she was on the panel.

Meghan even barked at Joy when she was giving half hearted praise to her, on Joy's 20th anniversary show because Joy wasn't looking at her during her rambling presentation.

According to the article, everyone was asked to treat Meghan with kid gloves because she's 'fragile', since her father's death. Meghan needs to suck it up and move on with her life.

[ADX]

42. I don't disagree...

...but that's another reason Meghan's not going anywhere. Like it or not, agree with it or not but she's bullet-proof for the time being because of her father's death.

[lilactime]

19. I won't watch the show as long as that twit and the other twit (Huntsman)

are on it.

[Siwsan]

20. It's unfortunate but true that Meghan and Abby only got the jobs because of their fathers

Neither really has much of value to offer the show. Perhaps they should have stayed at Fox.

[betsuni]

22. Meghan and Abby: My father BOTH SIDES my father WHATABOUTOBAMA my father BOTH SIDES

[Basement Beat]

33. There you have it...

all you really need to know about the "commentary" of those two.

[BigDemVoter]

23. I LOATHE Meghan McCain. . . . What a stupid SHIT. . . .

[Jarqui]

26. "I don't want to talk about Trump, we're honoring a great president," Meghan McCain

That sentence is kind of telling on its own, isn't it?

[flibbitygiblets]

55. That was my takeaway. She inadvertently dissed Agent Orange..or was it intentional?

I know nothing about her other than she's a RWer, but would presume she'd hate Dump on account of the shit he pulled on her father.

[CountAllVotes]

27. Her outfits tell you all you need to know

Lots of polka dots and red shoes = So not impressed!

[Siwsan]

35. She does make some "bold" fashion choices

But then, so does Whoopi. Difference is, Whoopi always looks so comfortable, and Meghan looks, well, a bit beyond uncomfortable. Maybe that's why she's so cranky.

[mainstreetonce]

28. I didn't see today,,but

Earlier this week it was
Joy's 20th anniversary on the show and all she could talk about was she has had enough.
I got the idea she was talking about leaving.

[The empressof all]

30. She needs Professional Help

Clearly, she is having difficulty in controlling her impulses and emotions. The show needs to intervene and insist she get treatment. It's uncomfortable to see someone break down this way and they run risk that she will do serious damage to their product. Regardless of her Political views, her behavior is just out of bounds and irrational. She needs help.

[blueinredohio]

40. She's a spoiled immature brat. Perfect example of white privilege.

[cwydro]

36. Daily mail doesn't know the difference between "reign" and "rein?"

Wow.

[Siwsan]

37. Well, Meghan is political "royalty"

[cwydro]

39. The two words have nothing in common other than pronunciation.

Pathetic.

[Siwsan]

44. Just my attempt at a pathetic joke

[cwydro]

88. Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off so snarky.

Poor grammar or spelling in professional journalism irks me.

But I get the joke lol!

[still_one]

41. It is a very important point and relevant point Joy is making

[Just a Weirdo]

43. McCain needs to be fired

Period.

[Siwsan]

46. She needs to have her own podcast. It can be called 'Rant-zilla'

No doubt she would find an audience.

[HipChick]

45. Didn't they fire Nicole Wallace? McCain needs to foxtrot

out of there too...

[Siwsan]

47. I have only been watching the show for about a year

The first change up I've seen is Sarah Haines leaving and Abby Huntsman joining.

[mainstreetonce]

48. Sarah was much better

Than Huntsman.
She never chimed in just to hear herself talk.
She had humor and some intelligent views.

[Siwsan]

49. Absolutely.

I wish Ana Navarro would sign on, full time.

[badhair77]

73. Sarah was so much better and more likeable. Sarah's comments had more substance

Abby just talks to make sure she’s commented, she’s pretty empty. Last week she did freak on Sunny when Sunny commented that Obama was tougher on Rusdia than trump has been. She was borderline Meghan-like. Then of course Meghan jumped Sunny, too. I need to turn off the tv. I can’t stand MM or AH. I tried.

[mainstreetonce]

74. I have watched for years

I could take the other right wing hosts. I even like
Meghan most of the time although I don't agree with her positions.
I just can't stand Huntsman and
I think she's weird looking too.

[mitch96]

50. To me it looks like it's all about the ratings..

He said/She said/How dare you!! I think it's all an act for the ratings.. To me it looks like they are going for a Faux nois confrontation format... The ratings would suck and the sponsors would go someplace else. Nobody would watch if it was a civil conversation....
It would be like watching PBS news..... Informative but boring..
YMMV.
m

[Siwsan]

51. I'm a relatively new viewer so I have no idea what the historic panel demographics have been

Or what the co-host behavior has been like.

[mitch96]

53. I don't think I've watch the whole show even once

Once the talking heads start shouting I'm outa there.. After a few time I just avoid it like the plague...
m

[Siwsan]

56. I mute out Meghan and rarely watch their 'View Your Deals' segments

My favorite parts of the show are listening to Whoopi and Joy. And Sunny can give some interesting insight on the legal stories.

The guest content can be sketchy. Tomorrow they are having Steve Scalise on to talk about gun control.

But Meghan and Abby add nothing to the show. Meghan can actually be very disrespectful to guests. I think it was Chuck Schumer that she flat out called a liar.

[badhair77]

75. She told Dick Durban he "had a problem with the truth" to his face.

She confronts people as if she’s the moderator on Meet the Press. I don’t think she gets the tone of the show. It’s not supposed to be angry.

[Johonny]

52. It does seem important to point out, places where Bush seemed to outshine other GOPers

The current GOP is hell bent on destroying his legacy. It's no wonder McCain wants to shut down that topic. Current GOPers don't want to listen to how much their party has abandoned sensible GOP platforms of clean water, clean air, infrastructure... She has to blow up and end that conversation for fear of what the actual truth is. The truth is, today's GOPer in Washington would seem like a moonbat nut from 1988 standards.

[Siwsan]

54. Meghan always personalizes any criticism of the GOP, trump* voters, NRA members, etc

She actually goes out of her way to be offended and is probably the most easily offended person (next to trump*, of course) on the planet.

[sharedvalues]

57. Meghan McCain is married to a rightwing propagandist and liar

McCain is married to Ben Domenech, rightwing propagandist and liar. Domenech is one of the many mediocre minds who inhabit conservative media. He’s on wingnut welfare, boosted by billionaires to push the rightwing billionaire line.
(Domenech works at the Federalist, which has secret rightwing donors.)

If McCain can tolerate such lies at home, there is NO WAY she is qualified to be a journalist on a real news station. She should go.

[Siwsan]

58. And I think she's become even more unhinged, since she married him

And her only tenuous 'qualifications' to claim journalism bona fides are - well, she has none. Her BA is in Art History. Maybe she thinks they come via osmosis from her father. Kind of like Abby.

[sharedvalues]

59. Republicans: mostly the party of mediocre white poeple

Smart people are Dems because they can see through rightwing lies, and realize the whole rightwing propaganda machine exists to help billionaires enrich themselves.

[DesertRat]

61. Yes, Domenech is a propagandist and plagarist

Meghan seems to be there to promote her husband's fringe views. Also her f-i-l works for the trump administration.


She comes across as spoiled, privileged and entitled and definitely has her father's snippy, quick to anger temperament.

[Ciaphas Cain]

60. Stormy Daniels

Stormy Daniels manages to be an abrasive Conservative woman without being rude. Why not replace Meghan with Stormy?

Meghan should try to get a job working for Sinema. Others have pointed out that she has a degree in art history. Tour Guide McCain is better than that lady who says dumb things on tv

[Siwsan]

62. My vote would be to replace her with Ana Navarro

Old school, rational Republican woman who is sharp as a tack.

[DesertRat]

64. Yes! Ana Navarro is a permanent guest host on Fridays

I look forward to watching her. She's smart and funny as hell, and she doesn't let Meghan push her around.

[rockfordfile]

72. She's a republican idiot just like McCain.

[DesertRat]

63. Why would Democratic Senator-elect Sinema hire McCain?

[Ciaphas Cain]

68. She can give tours of her father's old office

Lol

Also maybe we could hear more about the history of the art projects that Meghan McCain calls a wardrobe

[DesertRat]

69. Sen. Jon Kyl replaced McCain

Sinema is taking over Flake's Senate seat.

[Ciaphas Cain]

70. Really? I'm going to confess to being dumb then ;)

Thank you for your correction

[DesertRat]

71. No, you're not dumb

I live in AZ and have lived it for months.

[SDJay]

65. I Don't Watch Daytime TV...

but isn't there always one repuke asswipe on the show? I remember YouTubes of that idiot Elizabeth Hasslebeck badgering guests with her Hannity talking points, and that's just one example. I vaguely remember others.

[Siwsan]

67. I've only been watching for about a year

I remember seeing clips of Elizabeth Hasslebeck. (I remember her from 'Survivor'). Besides that, the only people I remember hearing were on the show was Barbara Walters and Rosie O'Donnell.

[Rorey]

76. Meghan McCain seems to think she's the most important person in the room.

She's kind of a lot like Individual 1 in that respect.

She acted like a spoiled brat child in that exchange today.

[Lucca2]

77. It's just for ratings

A manufactured crisis...

[samplegirl]

78. Meghan McCain

Would be nothing if it weren’t for her Daddy! Won’t break my heart if she leaves the show which is doubtful. Maybe she can go stump for Pence.

[uponit7771]

79. ***McCain Was Following Winger Meme For The Week; The MSM is using GHWB funeral to dog Red Don***

... and the reason she didn't want Behars input on the matter with Red Don.

FAUX News has been at this for the last 3 days

[betsuni]

81. Ah, that's why!

Thanks, makes sense. Outside of the Fox safe space, poor Meghan is constantly triggered. I have a feeling she comes to the meeting where they decide the daily topics loaded with garbage from Fox and right wing sources, is cranky even before the show begins because she's being repressed by the mean liberals.

Her contribution to the discussion of Trump's Russian business connections the other day: "Obama went to Russia!"

[uponit7771]

82. +1, she is the atypical Red Don supporter who's mindset is being reinforced by consummate lying

... and they blurt out like this.

She is going to go nuts when Red Don goes down in any way.

Her contribution to the discussion of Trump's Russian business connections the other day: "Obama went to Russia!"

The Russia Tower thing has skimmed off around 10 - 15% of Red Don's support and that's a hard number IMHO.

The mixed aisle forums they're reacting the same way or they're cut and run ... crickets on trump tower ... that story has hit hard because of the timing.

[betsuni]

86. I agree she's going to have a hard time when Trump goes down.

She claims to not like Trump because of her father and at the same time sees herself as the voice explaining the Trump voter. I would like more details on what exactly these Republican Values are.

Also, the other day the topic was climate change and everyone else said it wasn't a Left or Right issue, but Meghan was too busy bellowing about BOTH SIDES because Leo DiCaprio uses private jets and has a big carbon footprint.

[Demovictory9]

83. The View cast are always fighting...or so it seems

[marlakay]

84. I watch The View

I think everyone has gone too far in giving Meghan slack for howshe has been behaving on the show because of her dad.

It’s obvious that everyone liked her dad, thought he was great and that she would bring in more ratings, I think they even hired her friend Abbey because she felt picked on as the only republican.

I liked Sara and was sad when she left, she had a way of making sense about issues without getting personal and was always upbeat. Abbey tries but it feels fake and she repeats the same phrases.

I don’t blame Joy for getting mad today, it was uncalled for why she attacked her. She was saying something nice about Bush and that she cared about pollution, we all should really for our health.

Ever since Meghan has been with her far right husband she is getting worse and now that she doesn’t have her dad to pull her back or stop her from being a bitch she is going to get worse.

I think she is going through the anger stage of grief and using the show to get it out. She belings in therapy.

[Charlotte Little]

85. She does belong in therapy

And she needs some humble pie. Look, Joy has her own issues, but like you said, Meghan was out of line.

And like others have suggested in this thread, Ana Navarro would be an awesome replacement for Meghan. Far more mature.

[Siwsan]

87. The way 'little miss attitude' is acting, today, she may have been called to task

She's pretty subdued, but is a bit mumble-snippy with Whoopi.

I've never seen anyone so hell bent on finding ways to be offended.

[Charlotte Little]

89. You just summed up conservatives in general

"I've never seen anyone so hell bent on finding ways to be offended."

Everything is an affront to them, up until they feel they are being silenced. Then, it's all about "PC this! and PC that!" Meghan is super predictable.

[Joe941]

90. reality tv at its finest.