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which should be in two years or less, I want Congress to pass laws which hold Presidents legally accountable for actions which they now claim puts them above the law.
Treason needs to be carefully defined, and that includes the exceptions to the rule. Its possible that treason would have to be defined differently for a President than it is for others because of the nature of the Presidency.
It should be written into law what the procedure for holding a President accountable would be. Example: who or what pre-existing group is assigned the task of following through on judicial determinations of guilt or innocence of any member of the Executive branch, up to and including the President AND his appointees.
I dont see any reason to be stuck in such a large grey area of the legalities of what Presidents do as we are now.
One example I think everyone can agree on is that the meeting Trump had with the Russian officials the day after he fired Comey where no American official was present and in which Trump allegedly gave them top secret information should be 100% ILLEGAL! Another example is the meeting Trump had with Putin in Helsinki, again with no American in the room should be illegal.
Also, the necessary actions to be taken should the President break these laws should be made into law. This would make everyone accountable. Not just the President.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...against presidential campaigns meeting with representatives of foreign governments.
Nixons campaign in 1968 sabotaged peace negotiations with Vietnam.
Reagans campaign in 1980 sabotaged hostage negotiations with Iran.
The Trump campaign met with Russians for dirt on HRC.
dalton99a
(81,466 posts)to prevent future Donald Trumps from hijacking the Oval Office and holding the country hostage
lunatica
(53,410 posts)to not start doing something about it.
Nixon as everyone knows
Reagan negotiating with Iran for the release of the hostages and much more including his time as governor of California:
https://listverse.com/2015/01/15/10-reprehensible-crimes-of-ronald-reagan/
George H W Bush going after Noriega who he set up in power initially and more:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/the-ignored-legacy-of-george-h-w-bush-war-crimes-racism-and-obstruction-of-justice.html
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)Seems like forever
lunatica
(53,410 posts)of not holding government officials legally accountable I truly fear what would. How much worse does it have to get for us to demand laws to prevent this?
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)If it's literally a question, I tremble with fear
If it's a rhetorical question, I dig it!!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)dem in texas
(2,674 posts)Need laws that require that a President release his/her tax returns before taking office, place any investments and businesses in a blind trust while in office and prohibit the hiring or appointing close relatives to cabinet and high management positions.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Laws can shut that debate up.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)The U.S. Constitution is pretty plain about emoluments and treason, yet people make a living debating it.
A missing comma can result in a decade of litigation.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Law is either Constitutionally upheld or struck down. Nowhere does it say laws applying to Presidential activity are unconstitutional.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)I didn't claim or imply that "laws applying to Presidential activity are unconstitutional."
You said, "Laws can shut that debate up". I said, "laws create more debate."
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I thought you meant nothing but more debate would result.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,331 posts)Any time there's a law involved, there will be debate. Else, lawyers would starve!
JI7 points out in another post in the thread that the problem is Republicans. (That seems to be a feature of Republicans). They failed to do their Constitutional duty to provide a check on Trump and voters gave their opinion in the form of a big blue wave.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)The Emoluments Clause is a good place to start.
Next, the "rules" regarding nepotism. Please. Get busy on that one. I never want to see another Ivanka, sitting across from an Angela Merkel at a international summit. I don't know if I'll ever recover from that. Or a Jared making policy in the Middle East.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)If Trumps blatant disregard of all the rules are ignored after hes gone it will surely happen again and again!
JI7
(89,247 posts)and they decided to cover for and defend trump .
lunatica
(53,410 posts)right away. Maybe laws against nepotism in the White House is something we can all agree on now. Surely we can find common ground on some things. Its not like the Republicans are MAGAts who adore Trump. To them hes just a useful tool. Even they are beginning to ignore him. They got what they needed.
JI7
(89,247 posts)already. even if it was some other republican besides trump they may have been out.
the problem is republicans covering for trump. it doesn't matter whether they adore trump themselves. most of the republican party does .
for example mark sanford who was very conservative but critical of trump so he lost the primary.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Its illegal in all other walks of life so it should also be in Congress or if done by any elected or appointed persons.
The laws have to make every single official accountable.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)corrupt president.
47of74
(18,470 posts)But I think voter suppression and electoral fraud should be punishable by death. They should be considered the very worst crimes that can be committed in any democracy and can never be tolerated.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)And it should be an automatic barring for life in any further government jobs, after they get out of prison.
Maybe they should even be required to register as voter frauds, just like sex offenders have to register.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,721 posts)Add one more item. I dont know how to enact this or carry it out, smarter ones than myself can figure it out.
We need to have a comprehensive vetting of presidential candidates before they can run. If this was done before the 2016 run we would not have Individual #1 as president.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)But up to now thats been on a voluntary basis. They should make it a law requiring ALL candidates who declare theyre running to submit tax returns going back various years. Those taxes should be submitted to Congress and be available to all news outlets.
And it should also be the law that the FBI has to do a background check. So obviously I agree with you. There might be other things but I cant think of any right now. Can you?
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,721 posts)I believe between an F.B.I. background check and tax returns that should be plenty. Crooks like Individual #1 would think twice or thrice about running for such a glass house position. Of course if they did think about it theyre already better than Ind #1, cuz he didnt think at all.