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tweet of the day: "There is no man smaller than the coward at a hero's wake." (Original Post) hlthe2b Dec 2018 OP
So good. EricMaundry Dec 2018 #1
PERFECT! MFGsunny Dec 2018 #2
wow Laf.La.Dem. Dec 2018 #3
Small deformed little mushroom. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2018 #4
Called it, Doctor Jack. sarge43 Dec 2018 #5
Shockingly true Hekate Dec 2018 #6
OUCH!!!!!!!! calimary Dec 2018 #7
Found this gem the other day, thought of Trump mgardener Dec 2018 #8
What is so significant about the quote is that everyone knows exactly who it references. grantcart Dec 2018 #9
Damn! That will put some yeti pubes in a twist. 11 Bravo Dec 2018 #10
or "IN a hero's wake". (nautical term) SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2018 #11
Right On!! red dog 1 Dec 2018 #12
I'm not here to disparage GHWB The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #13
I am the descendant of five uncles and a father who fought in WWII. They AND GHWBush WERE heroes. hlthe2b Dec 2018 #14
You can believe what ever you like The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #15
Post your ugliness elsewhere then. This is not the place. hlthe2b Dec 2018 #16
If you can't handle the heat leave the kitchen The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #18
This is my thread. Again, take your ugliness elsewhere. Most here have more decency. hlthe2b Dec 2018 #20
Blinders keep people in darkness to events beyond their narrow view. onit2day Dec 2018 #25
Goodybye. Those who accuse those who fought for our country whether D's or R's) of being "murderers" hlthe2b Dec 2018 #26
My Father,an Engineer True Blue American Dec 2018 #35
+10000 BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #17
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #19
Oh I hope you don't shut up BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #21
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #24
Someone who has seen war first hand but engages in lies and deceit to start a war ET Awful Dec 2018 #41
Caspar Weinberger, Elliot Abrams, Robert McFarland,.... EarnestPutz Dec 2018 #27
WAIT! maddiemom Dec 2018 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author ThingsGottaChange Dec 2018 #33
Seeing Trump At the Bush Funeral Reminded Me of the Old Proverb: DoctorJoJo Dec 2018 #22
Hope u don't mean GHW Bush as hero. Man should have died in Prison onit2day Dec 2018 #23
Woah Lefta Dissenter Dec 2018 #28
I think he was a hero. Wash. state Desk Jet Dec 2018 #30
Man flew 58 combat missions off an aircraft carrier GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #31
He sent April Glaspie to tell Saddam Hussein the US didn't really care if he invaded Kuwait ET Awful Dec 2018 #42
Dear hlthe2b Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #32
It's one of the reasons I think we should have universal service. dhol82 Dec 2018 #34
Good idea. True Blue American Dec 2018 #36
No Oppaloopa Dec 2018 #38
Why? PJMcK Dec 2018 #40
Change "coward" to "narcissist." pnwmom Dec 2018 #37
Make up a new word. Cowararcissist Oppaloopa Dec 2018 #39

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
8. Found this gem the other day, thought of Trump
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:42 PM
Dec 2018

"People who look down on people don't end up being looked up to"  Robert Half

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
13. I'm not here to disparage GHWB
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:54 PM
Dec 2018

But he was no hero.
Hey America, if you're looking for a hero look in the mirror. There is all the hero you need.

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
14. I am the descendant of five uncles and a father who fought in WWII. They AND GHWBush WERE heroes.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:56 PM
Dec 2018

I won't allow their service or that of any other WWII veteran to be disparaged. I know the price many or most of them paid and many could never even bring themselves to speak of it throughout the rest of their lives.

NO.

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
15. You can believe what ever you like
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:59 PM
Dec 2018

But you will NOT tell me how to express myself. I hope this is crystal clear.

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
20. This is my thread. Again, take your ugliness elsewhere. Most here have more decency.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:03 PM
Dec 2018

than to accuse all who served in WWII as being "murderers". Good gawd.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
25. Blinders keep people in darkness to events beyond their narrow view.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:52 PM
Dec 2018

No one here was disparaging his military service. Just his corruption, racism, and obstruction of Justice once in power. A uniform does not give one carte blanch to ignore laws or cause others to suffer by treachery.

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
26. Goodybye. Those who accuse those who fought for our country whether D's or R's) of being "murderers"
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:03 PM
Dec 2018

as the other poster certainly did on this thread are either intentionally disrupting (?) or very very very wrong/deluded.
And, your post down thread comparing GHW Bush to Hitler was certainly no better.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
35. My Father,an Engineer
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:24 AM
Dec 2018

Who built bridges,across Europe, My Husband, who went in on Omaha Beach, was wounded, 2 Uncles, 3 Bil’s, all served.

President Bush was a hero. Pulled out of the ocean.

I did not agree with his Politics, but,like John McCain, they served their Country.

It is offensive, because you disagree with later actions to say they were not a hero. They were!

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
17. +10000
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:00 PM
Dec 2018

I get the animus people have because of his policies and campaign tactics which were truly awful. But unless you can honestly say you’d be willing to strap yourself into an airplane and get shot at fighting the Empire of Japan, or the fascists in Europe, shut up about his military service.

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #17)

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #17)

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
41. Someone who has seen war first hand but engages in lies and deceit to start a war
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:36 AM
Dec 2018

isn't a hero. A far cry above the current dipshit in office, but not a hero. Someone who has seen war first hand but sends April Glaspie to tell Saddam Hussein that the US didn't really care if he invaded Kuwait, then hired PR firms to publish fake stories about taking babies out of incubators to justify a war isn't a hero.

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
27. Caspar Weinberger, Elliot Abrams, Robert McFarland,....
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:10 PM
Dec 2018

....Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, Clair George.
All were convicted of several counts of perjury in relation
to the Iran-Contra affair (crime) and were pardoned by Pres.
George H.W. Bush. He professed to "out of the loop" during
the time that Ronald Reagan said "mistakes were made".

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
29. WAIT!
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:46 PM
Dec 2018

You can have been a hero, no question, and GHWB WAS a war hero. That doesn't mean the rest of your life was always lived in an exemplory manner. He was guilty of some deplorable actions as well.

Response to maddiemom (Reply #29)

 

DoctorJoJo

(1,134 posts)
22. Seeing Trump At the Bush Funeral Reminded Me of the Old Proverb:
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:27 PM
Dec 2018

As welcome as a skunk at a garden party!

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
23. Hope u don't mean GHW Bush as hero. Man should have died in Prison
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:43 PM
Dec 2018

and would have except for money and power. Read his ignored legacy by Medhi Hasan.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
30. I think he was a hero.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:51 PM
Dec 2018

And as the saying goes, freedom isn't free. Many have served and died in our military so that you can live free even if you don't understand it doesn't come to you for free . The price was/is high, paid for in blood among the ways. Even if you don't know or understand the price paid by choice or some sort of short coming ,that's ok too. It is customary to set grievances aside at ones passing. I would further go on to say George H. W. Bush was a man of the people and for the people. He did the right thing, they raised tax's. And there was price to pay there too.


GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
31. Man flew 58 combat missions off an aircraft carrier
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:55 PM
Dec 2018

In an underpowered, easily brought down plane.

While his later actions deserved censure, there is no denying that in his youth he was a hero.

My uncle had a friend when I was young. Was in the Big Red 1. Three beach invasions, 2 Purple Hearts(shot both times), bronze star.

Biggest racist, bully I have ever know. Total all around asshole. Despite that, he was a hero.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
42. He sent April Glaspie to tell Saddam Hussein the US didn't really care if he invaded Kuwait
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:40 AM
Dec 2018

and used that invasion and lies told by a PR firm as a pretext to start a war.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
32. Dear hlthe2b
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:54 PM
Dec 2018

As someone who served and coming from a military family where all but one served, I appreciated your post. Whereas I was not a fan of President GHWB, I respected Lieutenant GHWB and his military service, beginning with the fact that he enlisted straight out of school. As the son of privilege and wealth, he could easily have opted for a safer path and a more comfortable future. But he chose to serve. And he served his nation with courage.

In the NAVY, we have an saying: "Since 1775, there are no ex-sailors. Our title is earned, never given, and what's earned is ours forever."

It has been my observation recently, that (some of) the newest generations of DUers have a very different agenda than us older folks, and I am saddened by the harsh comments that I see lately.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
34. It's one of the reasons I think we should have universal service.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:04 AM
Dec 2018

Two years post high school. Whichever service organization would suit.
Something to manifest civic duty and give a heads up to what being a citizen might entail.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
40. Why?
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:29 AM
Dec 2018

Shouldn't citizens give something to their country besides taxes?

I never served since I was in the generation who came of age just after Viet Nam. It's something I've thought about many times. Service to our country could bring a more unified population.

Or do you think we are a nation of individuals without a commonality?

I'm curious and thanks for your considered response.

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