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Girard442

(6,065 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:29 PM Dec 2018

At some point doesn't the issue of the House impeaching Trump...

...stop being a political calculation and become a moral issue? Seems to me that when enough dreck comes out, those who don’t support impeachment start looking like co-conspirators.

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At some point doesn't the issue of the House impeaching Trump... (Original Post) Girard442 Dec 2018 OP
Because they are. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2018 #1
Morality? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #2
I'm talking about the incoming Dem majority. Girard442 Dec 2018 #5
No.... brooklynite Dec 2018 #15
Politically, rather than ethically. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #17
No, impeachment was always intended to be a political issue. marylandblue Dec 2018 #3
No, it's more important to make sure Trump is a 1 term president elocs Dec 2018 #11
Then if Trump is still the nominee in 2020 rockfordfile Dec 2018 #13
Then you do all you can to defeat Trump and not pout about no impeachment elocs Dec 2018 #16
agreed NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #4
Agree nt Bradshaw3 Dec 2018 #6
As Lawrence O'Donnell has said the past 2 nights, we simply cannot send the message... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #7
I was just thinking that this morning. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2018 #8
Indeed. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2018 #9
Impeachment has nothing to do with morality, its political, always. beachbum bob Dec 2018 #10
If there are not grounds to impeach trump, then impeachment can never be used for anyone. onecaliberal Dec 2018 #12
Agree, but be advised: when I suggested something like that a couple of months ago, Atticus Dec 2018 #14
It is well past that point. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #18
I don't think the Dems will start impeachment UNTIL elfin Dec 2018 #19

Girard442

(6,065 posts)
5. I'm talking about the incoming Dem majority.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:33 PM
Dec 2018

Do they, at some point, go ahead with impeachment even when conviction in the Senate can’t happen?

brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
15. No....
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:29 PM
Dec 2018

Because Impeaching him and NOT GETTING A CONVICTION would be worse.

In the eyes of the average votes who doesn't hang out on political blogs and who doesn't watch hours of political news, you just acquitted him.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. Politically, rather than ethically.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:41 PM
Dec 2018

"NOT GETTING A CONVICTION would be worse..."

Politically, rather than ethically; the rest of your fortune cookie merely lacking any evidence to support it. Again.

elocs

(22,541 posts)
11. No, it's more important to make sure Trump is a 1 term president
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:22 PM
Dec 2018

rather than scoring some moral victory.

rockfordfile

(8,695 posts)
13. Then if Trump is still the nominee in 2020
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:07 PM
Dec 2018

With the things coming out now and later are clearly impeachable. I as a voter would say, "well why didn't the Democrats do something about it, they had the House".

For Trump he could say, "hey if what I did was so bad then why didn't they do something about it?".

elocs

(22,541 posts)
16. Then you do all you can to defeat Trump and not pout about no impeachment
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:29 PM
Dec 2018

because impeachment does not remove a president from office without conviction by the Senate and that's not going to happen.
Defeating Trump with an electoral victory however does remove him from office. This is a very simple concept.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
4. agreed
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:31 PM
Dec 2018

as more and more evidence comes out, it really is not a political issue, but an American issue of criminal justice.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
7. As Lawrence O'Donnell has said the past 2 nights, we simply cannot send the message...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:40 PM
Dec 2018

...that a president can do whatever the hell the president wants to do, that the president is above the law. That's an incredibly dangerous precedent.

Impeachment will be a must. If Republicans refuse to convict, that's on them.

And anyone drawing a comparison to the failed attempt at removing a president who lied about having an affair needs to stop with that foolishness.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,153 posts)
8. I was just thinking that this morning.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:45 PM
Dec 2018

What Trump has done has transcended normal politics. It is a matter of law at this point, and he broke it, and there need to be consequences. Or at least an attempt at consequences.

We shouldn't resign ourselves to the notion that the best we can hope is that maybe he gets voted out in 2020. Good Presidents, as well as bad, get voted out. (See Carter, James Earl). Criminals, on the other hand, are called to account for their actions.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
14. Agree, but be advised: when I suggested something like that a couple of months ago,
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:09 PM
Dec 2018

critics came out of the woodwork. Maybe the tide has begun to turn.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
19. I don't think the Dems will start impeachment UNTIL
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:07 PM
Dec 2018

Enough Repubs ask them to do it.

And they should say that if our own base starts screaming about it.

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