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By Astead W. Herndon
Dec. 6, 2018
WASHINGTON The plan was straightforward: After years of being challenged by President Trump and others about a decades-old claim of Native American ancestry, Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts would take a DNA test to prove her stated family origins in the Cherokee and Delaware tribes.
But nearly two months after Ms. Warren released the test results and drew hostile reactions from prominent tribal leaders, the lingering cloud over her likely presidential campaign has only darkened. Conservatives have continued to ridicule her. More worrisome to supporters of Ms. Warrens presidential ambitions, she has yet to allay criticism from grass-roots progressive groups, liberal political operatives and other potential 2020 allies who complain that she put too much emphasis on the controversial field of racial science and, in doing so, played into Mr. Trumps hands.
Advisers close to Ms. Warren say she has privately expressed concern that she may have damaged her relationships to Native American groups and her own standing with progressive activists, particularly those who are racial minorities. Several outside advisers are even more worried: They say they believe a plan should be made to repair that damage, possibly including a strong statement of apology.
The advisers say Ms. Warren will have to confront the issue again if she announces a presidential campaign, which is expected in the coming weeks, and several would like her to act soon.
Publicly, at this point, the senator isnt second-guessing her actions.
There have been a lot of thoughtful conversations about this, and I appreciate that, Ms. Warren said in an interview. I believe for everyone in public life that transparency is crucial.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-2020.html
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BeyondGeography
(39,345 posts)She should tell the Nervous Nellies to stuff it. Once she gets going on the economy which is the issue she knows better than any candidate in both parties this will fade. Take one page from Trump that works rather well; never apologize just because the chorus wants you to. Sounds like shes on the right track.
Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)
call Saturday Night Live. Do a skit and laugh it off... get behind some Native American issues. When asked by reporters, say, "I'm proud of my heritage," and offer no more information on the topic. Move on and answer a question you wanted to be asked.
Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)Maybe have a young Elizabeth playing Pocahontas in a middle school play.
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)snowybirdie
(5,219 posts)are we posting b.s. Stories about Sen Warren 's heritage? This was a made up issue by Individual 1 and is way too stupid to be reiterated on a Democratic website. She owes no one an apology. She is an excellent possible candidate. These types of articles falsely try to diminish her qualifications. Plenty of real issues to be discussed here.
Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)snowybirdie
(5,219 posts)I see pandering by the NYT to again denigrate a strong political woman. Been there, done that
Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)And it was a mistake. She played Trumps game. When will he release his tax returns?
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,485 posts)If you watch the video it was well done, didn't answer drumpf at all and took in concerns of Native Americans. Some of those groups took the opportunity to criticize her and she is sensitive to that but others of the Native American community have expressed support for her.
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)Because, rather than ignore Trump's taunts, she decided to make it a story. (and no, I don't think President Obama should have responded to the birther issue either).
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)brooklynite
(94,333 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)it's just plain stupid to swallow the cynical premise and believe it is.
Those Americans with family stories of some native heritage way back in the past, and of course people of good sense, are not going to sympathize with their new meme that distant heritage is the same as a lie.
I am also wondering that Don Viejo felt we needed more of this anti-Democrat propaganda posted here. Do we need to be re-dosed every month for 4 more years?
Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)I dont think she would win. Shes a legislator at heart.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)What are the tribes and progressives upset about?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)nothing new. The real issue is mainstream media hyping the disagreements as more "Democrats in disarray."
LexVegas
(6,025 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)is now worst than tЯump calling her "Pocahontas."
Think about it. She's not playing 45's game, you are.
delisen
(6,042 posts)whathehell
(29,034 posts)Prior to getting her DNA test done, she was constantly being challenged to do so -- Now that she has, she's getting shit for it. It's a clear case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
I understand Repukes taking this low road, but Democrats need to stop the criticism --.It's completely unwarranted.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)What else does Sen. Warren have in common with Sec. Clinton? Think, think.
Isn't it nice of the Times to set up an impossible standard it never applies to other public figures then rip a woman for not living up to it?
manor321
(3,344 posts)Jesus fucking Christ can the press just PRETEND to cover actual policy once in a while? Just occasionally?
Cha
(296,821 posts)shallow US m$m.
pecosbob
(7,533 posts)and y'all over at The Hill as well.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,307 posts)backlash from people who live the reality of being racial minorities in this country and culture don't speak well to me about her judgment.
delisen
(6,042 posts)peggysue2
(10,823 posts)the GOP just loves to run with and make it: The Big Issue. On Liz Warren or Hillary Clinton or any other Dem candidate (mostly women) who they clearly find objectionable or a threat or whatever.
My husband had the same family story as Warren's, a narrative that was passed down through several generations. Everyone in the family believed it and frankly with all the details added over the years it sounded plausible. But then, my husband and I had our DNA tested. I was concerned over a marker for Alzheimers (both my father and sister have been victims). Fortunately, my tests showed no markers.
My husband expected a confirmation on the family history/heritage story. Nada. He tested as Northern European and British. Absolutely no sign of Native American DNA.
However, he did score high on Neanderthal links which has become a running joke in the house.
Warren was goaded by the Trumpster's Pocohantas taunts. Maybe she should have ignored the asshole or kept the results to herself. Politically speaking. But in the end, this is something the GOP and media is spinning for their own reasons. All it does is create dissension, something that both entities feed on.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)delisen
(6,042 posts)Recent Controversy
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/17/cherokee-nation-black-freedmen
The Cherokee ruling excluding descendants of black slaves is a tragedy, but federal intervention will only cause more problems
James MacKay
Sat 17 Sep 2011 07.00 EDT First published on Sat 17 Sep 2011 07.00 EDT
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In 2007 the Cherokee passed an amendment to its constitution requiring members to have Cherokee blood. Photograph: Brendan Smialowski/AFP/Getty Images
The idea that a 21st-century sovereign nation would expel a racial minority that had been part of it for a century and a half seems outrageous. Yet this is precisely what has happened in the last month in the Cherokee nation, the second largest American Indian tribe. The US government's condemnatory response, however, may cause more problems than it solves.
The Cherokee freedmen are the descendants of African American slaves owned by wealthy Cherokee tribal members. When principal chief Stand Watie became the last confederate general to surrender in the American civil war, a treaty emancipated these slaves and gave them equal rights. The Cherokee nation went further than this in 1866, amending their constitution as follows:
"All native-born Cherokees, all Indians and whites legally members of the nation by adoption and all freedmen who have been liberated by voluntary act of their former owners or by law [ ] shall be taken and deemed to be citizens of the Cherokee nation."
But more than a century later, chiefs Ross Swimmer and Wilma Mankiller created a new requirement that all Cherokee should hold a certificate of degree of Indian blood.
Takket
(21,528 posts)https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2018/12/07/deval-patrick-knew-when-call-quits-presidential-bid-other-political-figures-should-take-note/nOLcrzE5xTQgfXpPMKrUZM/story.html
Can't help but feel like it is not an accident that three major news outlets all attack her over this NONSENSE on the same day. It is so fucking frustrating how Democrats are expected to be absolutely FLAWLESS in every way or they are relentlessly attacked.
Meanwhile drumpf still has NOT donated the million dollars to charity he promised to and the story here is "Warren was right, but she wasn't right ENOUGH so it doesn't count."
whathehell
(29,034 posts)because she's from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party,.
They hate that because it means Less Money for the Rich and more for the Middle & Working classes.