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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:01 AM Dec 2018

Elizabeth Warren Stands by DNA Test. But Around Her, Worries Abound.

Last edited Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:05 PM - Edit history (1)

By Astead W. Herndon
Dec. 6, 2018

WASHINGTON — The plan was straightforward: After years of being challenged by President Trump and others about a decades-old claim of Native American ancestry, Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts would take a DNA test to prove her stated family origins in the Cherokee and Delaware tribes.

But nearly two months after Ms. Warren released the test results and drew hostile reactions from prominent tribal leaders, the lingering cloud over her likely presidential campaign has only darkened. Conservatives have continued to ridicule her. More worrisome to supporters of Ms. Warren’s presidential ambitions, she has yet to allay criticism from grass-roots progressive groups, liberal political operatives and other potential 2020 allies who complain that she put too much emphasis on the controversial field of racial science — and, in doing so, played into Mr. Trump’s hands.

Advisers close to Ms. Warren say she has privately expressed concern that she may have damaged her relationships to Native American groups and her own standing with progressive activists, particularly those who are racial minorities. Several outside advisers are even more worried: They say they believe a plan should be made to repair that damage, possibly including a strong statement of apology.

The advisers say Ms. Warren will have to confront the issue again if she announces a presidential campaign, which is expected in the coming weeks, and several would like her to act soon.

Publicly, at this point, the senator isn’t second-guessing her actions.

“There have been a lot of thoughtful conversations about this, and I appreciate that,” Ms. Warren said in an interview. “I believe for everyone in public life that transparency is crucial.”

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-2020.html

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Elizabeth Warren Stands by DNA Test. But Around Her, Worries Abound. (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2018 OP
Irrelevant BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #1
Here's my advice... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #2
Great idea. Humor diffuses criticism. Funtatlaguy Dec 2018 #4
I like it. backtoblue Dec 2018 #10
Why oh why snowybirdie Dec 2018 #3
It's a legitimate story from the NYT about a political mistake Renew Deal Dec 2018 #6
I see no mistake snowybirdie Dec 2018 #9
The article says that the strong political woman sees a mistake Renew Deal Dec 2018 #15
Dean screams and simple gaffs aren't disqualifiers this go around uponit7771 Dec 2018 #23
OK Renew Deal Dec 2018 #24
It wasn't a mistake Bradshaw3 Dec 2018 #26
Why are we posting stories about her heritage? brooklynite Dec 2018 #14
Ignoring Trump is always so effective. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #18
Personally, I think it's the meanest thing you can do to him... brooklynite Dec 2018 #19
+1000. Contemptible as it is to try to make an issue out of this, Hortensis Dec 2018 #16
The smart thing to do is to not run Renew Deal Dec 2018 #5
She's not my first choice, but why is this a problem? MoonRiver Dec 2018 #7
You always see manufactured outrage from some left circles wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #30
It was not a good move for her. nt LexVegas Dec 2018 #8
Warren taking a DNA test wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #31
Warren needed to address the bs Republican charges. She did it. delisen Dec 2018 #11
I agree completely -- She didn't make it an issue, THEY did. whathehell Dec 2018 #17
Hmmm, another excellent Democratic elected official ripped down by the "liberal" NYT gratuitous Dec 2018 #12
This is so fucking ridiculous. It's not a goddamned reality show. This is about policy! manor321 Dec 2018 #13
That's too complicated for the Cha Dec 2018 #21
Thank you NYT...now f*ck off pecosbob Dec 2018 #20
Releasing the test results, issuing an over-the-top video and then being surprised about the WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #22
I thought the video was good. she is who she is. delisen Dec 2018 #27
This is such a nothingburger of a story that . . . peggysue2 Dec 2018 #25
Another awesome candidate being torn down. I hope she ignores those" advisers" and runs. Autumn Dec 2018 #28
Interesting article on Black Freedmen & //Cherokee delisen Dec 2018 #29
CNN wrote a hit piece today too......... and the Boston Globe Takket Dec 2018 #32
She scares the Main$tream Corporate media whathehell Dec 2018 #33

BeyondGeography

(39,345 posts)
1. Irrelevant
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:11 AM
Dec 2018

She should tell the Nervous Nellies to stuff it. Once she gets going on the economy which is the issue she knows better than any candidate in both parties this will fade. Take one page from Trump that works rather well; never apologize just because the chorus wants you to. Sounds like she’s on the right track.

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
2. Here's my advice...
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:11 AM
Dec 2018

… call Saturday Night Live. Do a skit and laugh it off... get behind some Native American issues. When asked by reporters, say, "I'm proud of my heritage," and offer no more information on the topic. Move on and answer a question you wanted to be asked.

Funtatlaguy

(10,862 posts)
4. Great idea. Humor diffuses criticism.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:14 AM
Dec 2018

Maybe have a “young Elizabeth” playing Pocahontas in a middle school play.

snowybirdie

(5,219 posts)
3. Why oh why
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:12 AM
Dec 2018

are we posting b.s. Stories about Sen Warren 's heritage? This was a made up issue by Individual 1 and is way too stupid to be reiterated on a Democratic website. She owes no one an apology. She is an excellent possible candidate. These types of articles falsely try to diminish her qualifications. Plenty of real issues to be discussed here.

snowybirdie

(5,219 posts)
9. I see no mistake
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:46 AM
Dec 2018

I see pandering by the NYT to again denigrate a strong political woman. Been there, done that

Renew Deal

(81,845 posts)
15. The article says that the strong political woman sees a mistake
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:21 AM
Dec 2018

And it was a mistake. She played Trumps game. When will he release his tax returns?

Bradshaw3

(7,485 posts)
26. It wasn't a mistake
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:22 PM
Dec 2018

If you watch the video it was well done, didn't answer drumpf at all and took in concerns of Native Americans. Some of those groups took the opportunity to criticize her and she is sensitive to that but others of the Native American community have expressed support for her.

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
14. Why are we posting stories about her heritage?
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:21 AM
Dec 2018

Because, rather than ignore Trump's taunts, she decided to make it a story. (and no, I don't think President Obama should have responded to the birther issue either).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. +1000. Contemptible as it is to try to make an issue out of this,
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:31 AM
Dec 2018

it's just plain stupid to swallow the cynical premise and believe it is.

Those Americans with family stories of some native heritage way back in the past, and of course people of good sense, are not going to sympathize with their new meme that distant heritage is the same as a lie.

I am also wondering that Don Viejo felt we needed more of this anti-Democrat propaganda posted here. Do we need to be re-dosed every month for 4 more years?

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
7. She's not my first choice, but why is this a problem?
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:30 AM
Dec 2018

What are the tribes and progressives upset about?

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
30. You always see manufactured outrage from some left circles
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:10 PM
Dec 2018

nothing new. The real issue is mainstream media hyping the disagreements as more "Democrats in disarray."

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
31. Warren taking a DNA test
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:11 PM
Dec 2018

is now worst than tЯump calling her "Pocahontas."

Think about it. She's not playing 45's game, you are.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
17. I agree completely -- She didn't make it an issue, THEY did.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:55 PM
Dec 2018

Prior to getting her DNA test done, she was constantly being challenged to do so -- Now that she has, she's getting shit for it. It's a clear case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't".

I understand Repukes taking this low road, but Democrats need to stop the criticism --.It's completely unwarranted.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. Hmmm, another excellent Democratic elected official ripped down by the "liberal" NYT
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:00 AM
Dec 2018

What else does Sen. Warren have in common with Sec. Clinton? Think, think.

Isn't it nice of the Times to set up an impossible standard it never applies to other public figures then rip a woman for not living up to it?

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
13. This is so fucking ridiculous. It's not a goddamned reality show. This is about policy!
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:06 AM
Dec 2018

Jesus fucking Christ can the press just PRETEND to cover actual policy once in a while? Just occasionally?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,307 posts)
22. Releasing the test results, issuing an over-the-top video and then being surprised about the
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:31 PM
Dec 2018

backlash from people who live the reality of being racial minorities in this country and culture don't speak well to me about her judgment.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
25. This is such a nothingburger of a story that . . .
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:05 PM
Dec 2018

the GOP just loves to run with and make it: The Big Issue. On Liz Warren or Hillary Clinton or any other Dem candidate (mostly women) who they clearly find objectionable or a threat or whatever.

My husband had the same family story as Warren's, a narrative that was passed down through several generations. Everyone in the family believed it and frankly with all the details added over the years it sounded plausible. But then, my husband and I had our DNA tested. I was concerned over a marker for Alzheimers (both my father and sister have been victims). Fortunately, my tests showed no markers.

My husband expected a confirmation on the family history/heritage story. Nada. He tested as Northern European and British. Absolutely no sign of Native American DNA.

However, he did score high on Neanderthal links which has become a running joke in the house.

Warren was goaded by the Trumpster's Pocohantas taunts. Maybe she should have ignored the asshole or kept the results to herself. Politically speaking. But in the end, this is something the GOP and media is spinning for their own reasons. All it does is create dissension, something that both entities feed on.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
29. Interesting article on Black Freedmen & //Cherokee
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 08:11 PM
Dec 2018

Recent Controversy


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/17/cherokee-nation-black-freedmen


The Cherokee ruling excluding descendants of black slaves is a tragedy, but federal intervention will only cause more problems
James MacKay
Sat 17 Sep 2011 07.00 EDT First published on Sat 17 Sep 2011 07.00 EDT

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cherokee nation
In 2007 the Cherokee passed an amendment to its constitution requiring members to have Cherokee blood. Photograph: Brendan Smialowski/AFP/Getty Images
The idea that a 21st-century sovereign nation would expel a racial minority that had been part of it for a century and a half seems outrageous. Yet this is precisely what has happened in the last month in the Cherokee nation, the second largest American Indian tribe. The US government's condemnatory response, however, may cause more problems than it solves.

The Cherokee freedmen are the descendants of African American slaves owned by wealthy Cherokee tribal members. When principal chief Stand Watie became the last confederate general to surrender in the American civil war, a treaty emancipated these slaves and gave them equal rights. The Cherokee nation went further than this in 1866, amending their constitution as follows:

"All native-born Cherokees, all Indians and whites legally members of the nation by adoption and all freedmen who have been liberated by voluntary act of their former owners or by law […] shall be taken and deemed to be citizens of the Cherokee nation."
But more than a century later, chiefs Ross Swimmer and Wilma Mankiller created a new requirement that all Cherokee should hold a certificate of degree of Indian blood.

Takket

(21,528 posts)
32. CNN wrote a hit piece today too......... and the Boston Globe
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:41 PM
Dec 2018
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american/index.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2018/12/07/deval-patrick-knew-when-call-quits-presidential-bid-other-political-figures-should-take-note/nOLcrzE5xTQgfXpPMKrUZM/story.html

Can't help but feel like it is not an accident that three major news outlets all attack her over this NONSENSE on the same day. It is so fucking frustrating how Democrats are expected to be absolutely FLAWLESS in every way or they are relentlessly attacked.

Meanwhile drumpf still has NOT donated the million dollars to charity he promised to and the story here is "Warren was right, but she wasn't right ENOUGH so it doesn't count."

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
33. She scares the Main$tream Corporate media
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:11 AM
Dec 2018

because she's from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party,.

They hate that because it means Less Money for the Rich and more for the Middle & Working classes.

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