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catbyte

(34,509 posts)
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:17 PM Dec 2018

Steven Beschloss echos my sentiments exactly. It makes me sick to my stomach.



Among the many dispiriting aspects of this criminal enterprise, there are likely many millions who believe lying, defrauding the electorate, colluding w/ the Russians & violating campaign finance laws (among other crimes) is worth it if it kept Hillary Clinton from being elected.

9:28 AM - Dec 8, 2018



This is part of a thread by @djrothkopf that is a must read. The scope of Trump’s criminality and the disgrace he has brought upon our nation literally makes me sick to my stomach.

David Rothkopf

@djrothkopf
Replying to @djrothkopf
But someday this is already certain, no senior American public official--not Richard Nixon, not Andrew Johnson--will go down in more disgrace or be more reviled by history than Donald Trump. And that is as it should be.

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10:39 AM - Dec 8, 2018
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Steven Beschloss echos my sentiments exactly. It makes me sick to my stomach. (Original Post) catbyte Dec 2018 OP
I assume this is Michael's cilla4progress Dec 2018 #1
I think he's Michael's brother. catbyte Dec 2018 #2
Kicking and saving to read for later. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #3
But her emails!!! n/t Victor_c3 Dec 2018 #4
The Entire Trump Debacle Has Shown How Very Deep Misogyny Runs in America dlk Dec 2018 #5
it isn't all about Hillary Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #6
Yes, There is Racism, Ignorance & Propaganda in the Media-It's the Misogyny That Gets Minimized dlk Dec 2018 #9
When racists, propagandists and male leaders across continents put everything into beating a woman, ancianita Dec 2018 #16
+++ brer cat Dec 2018 #27
Misogyny, racism, authoritarianism, greed, and placing profits and power ahead of the country's Nitram Dec 2018 #11
And one more he posted last: Ilsa Dec 2018 #7
Putin: Mission Accomplished! dem in texas Dec 2018 #8
ive been saying something for the better part of this year... green917 Dec 2018 #13
Yes Nitram Dec 2018 #10
It's above all about too much change and uncertainty. Hortensis Dec 2018 #12
The problem, as I saw it, was UpInArms Dec 2018 #15
You nailed it friend ! Pluvious Dec 2018 #18
It makes me downcast and disturbed to consider that our neighbors, acquaintances, co-workers, sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #21
Oh me too! Tumbulu Dec 2018 #31
I'm usually more resilient, but this? It takes a toll no matter how you keep pushing it off. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #35
Yes! lunatica Dec 2018 #25
We need to clean out True Blue American Dec 2018 #40
read the Rothkopf thread he quotes. Nails Trump. Hamlette Dec 2018 #14
It's the GOP and right wing media, folks thbobby Dec 2018 #17
Agree 100% Tumbulu Dec 2018 #32
And it's not all about Hillary. And it's not just RW media. It's orchestrated. erronis Dec 2018 #36
Donald is finally finding out what people *really* think of him. gtar100 Dec 2018 #19
Mr. Rothkopf is right...rump is the most despised and ignorant person ever to occupy the oval... SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #20
I want to see Trump marched out of the White House in shame. Lonestarblue Dec 2018 #22
The Republicans are destroying their own party lunatica Dec 2018 #26
They don't care. They'll go to their nice pads, wait 8-20 years and come back to pollute once again. erronis Dec 2018 #37
The problem is so much more than DFT! RainCaster Dec 2018 #23
Thomas Jefferson said: rickyhall Dec 2018 #24
that has been a goal of GOP since Reagan Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #33
That's my family: Anything--even a criminal, narcissistic,,, lastlib Dec 2018 #28
K&R Scurrilous Dec 2018 #29
Trump is contemptuous. Can't stand to to even look at him onit2day Dec 2018 #30
Well 60% of the public agree. Problem is Dems play by the laws established. The 'R's don't. YOHABLO Dec 2018 #34
Yup. And the repuglicons will try changing the rulebooks on their way out. erronis Dec 2018 #38
Wow! Rothkopf's thread is downright devastating and concise! Roland99 Dec 2018 #39
That whole thread is pretty horrifying. calimary Dec 2018 #41

dlk

(11,597 posts)
5. The Entire Trump Debacle Has Shown How Very Deep Misogyny Runs in America
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:47 PM
Dec 2018

And, yes, it is very sickening.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
6. it isn't all about Hillary
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:58 PM
Dec 2018

It's also about racism, about ignorance, about propaganda and why we have allowed its dominance in the media, and about many other aspects. Not everyone voted for Trump because he/she hates women in general and HRC in particular.

ancianita

(36,201 posts)
16. When racists, propagandists and male leaders across continents put everything into beating a woman,
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:50 PM
Dec 2018

the U.S. men, in particular, show their deepest hatreds and fears.

Misogyny.

Women of the world know this.

Men of quality cannot let these men hide behind emails, race, competence -- women military leaders not qualified to be commander-in-chief -- or anything else.

You're exactly right.

Nitram

(22,945 posts)
11. Misogyny, racism, authoritarianism, greed, and placing profits and power ahead of the country's
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:10 PM
Dec 2018

interests. These are all sickening.

Ilsa

(61,710 posts)
7. And one more he posted last:
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:02 PM
Dec 2018

?s=19

Today feels different. Sadder, more infuriating, more sickening and closer to the end when the country and its leaders can no longer avoid the scale of criminality committed by Trump & his co-conspirators to defraud the electorate, enrich themselves & cheat their way into the WH.

759

11:17 AM - Dec 8, 2018

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
8. Putin: Mission Accomplished!
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:04 PM
Dec 2018

The US president has committed treason, the US political establishment is in total disarray. Trump and his associates are totally corrupt. Don't you know Putin is happy today.

green917

(442 posts)
13. ive been saying something for the better part of this year...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:41 PM
Dec 2018

that has been completely confirmed now:

who knew we would lose the cold war almost 40 years after we stopped fighting it?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. It's above all about too much change and uncertainty.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:13 PM
Dec 2018

Anger takes many forms, including rising hostility toward "the establishment" and those outside "the tribe."

We're still the nation who elected Obama twice and tried to follow 2 Democratic terms by choosing our first woman Democratic president to succeed him once.

If we can get 2 strong Democratic terms to get the nation mostly back on course and show a way forward that people can understand and believe, we may have gotten through the worst of this dangerous period when anger makes those prone want to tear down very the institutions that still protect us from the abyss.

UpInArms

(51,289 posts)
15. The problem, as I saw it, was
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:48 PM
Dec 2018

during those two terms, the GOP, led by McConnell, obstructed the placement of Merrick Garland and the House, led by the GOP, carried out 43 votes to overturn the ACA and held numerous hearings about Benghazi ... demonizing Democratic office holders and ... then ... our corporate media acted in concert with the false birther movement and other foolish stories that distorted reality in a way that allowed a huge schism within the populace to fester ...

We need a Fairness Doctrine again that is enforceable to make our media committed to an honest accounting.

Pluvious

(4,332 posts)
18. You nailed it friend !
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:57 PM
Dec 2018

Our political culture is broken.

Corporate media has crippled our ability to make sound reasoned decisions, and subverted our ability to form rational opinions.

Restore the Fairness Doctrine !

sprinkleeninow

(20,268 posts)
21. It makes me downcast and disturbed to consider that our neighbors, acquaintances, co-workers,
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 02:57 PM
Dec 2018

yes, even family, are blinded enough for whatever their reasons to have supported and tolerated and still do, the egregious * and they who prop him up.

sprinkleeninow

(20,268 posts)
35. I'm usually more resilient, but this? It takes a toll no matter how you keep pushing it off.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:45 PM
Dec 2018

I feel that 'we' who have intellect and 'knowing' understand just how sick this is, and therefore more susceptible to being affected than 'others'.
You gather 'who' I did not say explicitly. ⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆

True Blue American

(17,995 posts)
40. We need to clean out
Sun Dec 9, 2018, 08:25 AM
Dec 2018

The Senate, just like we cleaned the House!

Schumer has already gone on the offense. I am not crazy about Chuck, but he knows how to fight Mitch. And Republicans are now defending seats.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
17. It's the GOP and right wing media, folks
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:51 PM
Dec 2018

The gop has run a decades-long hate campaign against Hillary. The right-wing media peddles and profits from this hatred. The gop does not have a plan to help the American People, they use misogyny, prejudice, and bigotry to scare gullible Americans of "others". We have a felon in the White House instead of a supremely qualified woman because the gop has learned and adopted the methods of Goebbels and the Nazi's campaign of hatred.

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
32. Agree 100%
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 08:38 PM
Dec 2018

And until something is done about hate media, we will continue to be doomed.

Sad to say.

erronis

(15,428 posts)
36. And it's not all about Hillary. And it's not just RW media. It's orchestrated.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:52 PM
Dec 2018

And there are some probable links from the perps in the US political arena to Goebbels and other RW operations. Koch and Krups. Ford, Lindbergh.

The Kapitalists of the world are in communication an they're happy to be supported by Nazis, libertarians, repuglicons, even some professed democrats and progressives. Because they are apolitical and amoral - except when it comes to amassing wealth.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
19. Donald is finally finding out what people *really* think of him.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 02:19 PM
Dec 2018

And all the money in the world won't be able to keep it from him.

SWBTATTReg

(22,191 posts)
20. Mr. Rothkopf is right...rump is the most despised and ignorant person ever to occupy the oval...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 02:48 PM
Dec 2018

office, and its time to remove the orange stain of corruption, ignorance, racism, and hatred from the once esteemed office of the presidency.

Time to call out the janitors, and start cleaning up, and use the House of Representatives which we recently won, to start boycotting everything rump wants (and his repug thugs). Don't fund nothing.

Nothing, until rump leaves willingly or not (removed by impeachment or thrown in jail).

Remember, he won this office (supposedly) by doing illegal acts.

Lonestarblue

(10,138 posts)
22. I want to see Trump marched out of the White House in shame.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 03:16 PM
Dec 2018

But after Trump, the organization that needs to be destroyed is the Republican Party in its current guise. I believe that two parties are needed, but the Republican Party today is about cheating, lying, stealing elections, denying basic rights to minorities, controlling women in all ways, enriching themsleves at the country’s expense, and gaining ultimate power to preserve their own privilege and to perpetuate their power. This organization has been evolving since Reagan into this racist, homophobic, misogynistic, anti-immigrant, fake Christian collection of people who want to destroy the government, not work to make it better. I do not know how the party’s destruction can be brought about, but its role in enabling Trump and the utter greed and corruption of this administration needs to be front and center for the U.S. public. If Trump is put on trial, the Republican Party needs to be put on trial with him.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
26. The Republicans are destroying their own party
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 05:56 PM
Dec 2018

Don’t underestimate the impact our newly elected blue wave is having and will have. And don’t underestimate the Americans who put them there. 2019 is going to be a harsh year for the Republicans when the House opens up one investigation after another. By the time the Senate majority become Democrats, in two years, all the groundwork will have been done.

It will happen. We have our foot in the door so they can’t shut it in our faces. In this era of corruption our foothold is a pivotal moment in our history.

erronis

(15,428 posts)
37. They don't care. They'll go to their nice pads, wait 8-20 years and come back to pollute once again.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:56 PM
Dec 2018

Repuglicons aren't a political party. They are a infection on the US democratic system. Sort of like fighting a stateless enemy - they're everywhere and then nowhere. They may already be morphing into new democrats.

RainCaster

(10,940 posts)
23. The problem is so much more than DFT!
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 03:16 PM
Dec 2018

The corruption is rife throughout the GOP.

The only solution is to vote out the entire GOP until they have no more influence in our government.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
24. Thomas Jefferson said:
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 04:54 PM
Dec 2018

"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed 'corporations."

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,543 posts)
33. that has been a goal of GOP since Reagan
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 09:17 PM
Dec 2018

Overhauling the tax code to feed the ultra rich has enabled them to slowly take over communications and politics.

lastlib

(23,356 posts)
28. That's my family: Anything--even a criminal, narcissistic,,,
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 06:44 PM
Dec 2018

...psychopathic, incompetent reality-show-reject buffoon--but Hillary. It disgustis me what kind of people I am related to.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
30. Trump is contemptuous. Can't stand to to even look at him
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 06:56 PM
Dec 2018

This PINO should resign now and take Pence and his SC appointees with him

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
34. Well 60% of the public agree. Problem is Dems play by the laws established. The 'R's don't.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:13 PM
Dec 2018

It's going to take a while to get this all sorted out. Maybe people will get their asses out and vote.

erronis

(15,428 posts)
38. Yup. And the repuglicons will try changing the rulebooks on their way out.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:59 PM
Dec 2018

Against reasonable hope, perhaps a decent Supreme Court can set things correctly.

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